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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#961 » by City of Trees » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:37 am

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City of Trees wrote:I'm high on Donte DiVincenzo. I'd do it straight up and be okay.

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Are you ok with that and taking on the bad loot in Ersan etc?


I'm ok with Bogi for Donte. DJ is a plus. And Ersan is salary we all know this.

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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#962 » by City of Trees » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:39 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:You guys will like Donte.
I think you're right.

Bogi is a playmaker! You'll enjoy watching him play. Smart, team guy with no ego but all the confidence in the world.

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Post#963 » by BoogieTime » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:41 am

Justin James was part of this... :(

I wonder if this will affect the odds of Lewis/Maxey, who I personally had as odds to be selected for this draft
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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#964 » by Baddy Chuck » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:42 am

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Baddy Chuck wrote:You guys will like Donte.
I think you're right.

Bogi is a playmaker! You'll enjoy watching him play. Smart, team guy with no ego but all the confidence in the world.

Donte is kind of a jack of all trades guy who may not wow you with anything in particular but will get the job (a lot of jobs) done at a nice level. If his shooting rounds into form, and he's shown flashes of it, I'd pretty much say that you guys have your backcourt set for a while with him and Fox.
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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#965 » by City of Trees » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:45 am

BoogieTime wrote:Justin James was part of this... :(

I wonder if this will affect the odds of Lewis/Maxey, who I personally had as odds to be selected for this draft
Savvy move by McNair to clear a roster spot for his incoming 2nds.

Looking back James was the WRONG pick. McNair is wasting no time moving on.

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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#966 » by City of Trees » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:46 am

Kings now have more trade assets ahead of Wednesdays draft. Maybe they use Donte or Dj to move up?

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Post#967 » by kalenclayton » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:53 am

City of Trees wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:Justin James was part of this... :(

I wonder if this will affect the odds of Lewis/Maxey, who I personally had as odds to be selected for this draft
Savvy move by McNair to clear a roster spot for his incoming 2nds.

Looking back James was the WRONG pick. McNair is wasting no time moving on.

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Yeah I was pissed that we picked him over Bol and Horton-Tucker. The upside of those guys were just too much to pass up. In Kings’ fashion, we passed them up.
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Post#968 » by dozencousins » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:04 am

City of Trees wrote:Kings now have more trade assets ahead of Wednesdays draft. Maybe they use Donte or Dj to move up?

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So far our new GM got fleeced almost as bad as Vlade did on his 1st trade .

I like Donte that is it . Doubt either of will be used to move up . If it is 1 of it better be Wilson .

I think this trade is a sign that if we keep Donte we will likely draft a Power Forward or a Center unless we trade Buddy as well which I really hope we do as Buddy is a cancer and is all about himself and not the team and I do not like any player that is not team 1st .

With this trade I hope we ship Buddy to the Knicks now . I would say the Hawks but unless they would trade Collins which I doubt I no longer think they would be a partner unless it is a 3 team trade or unless it is we get picks and t hey straight up absorb Buddys contract which I doubt .

I really do not like the Bogi trade in it's current form . It Sucks !
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Post#969 » by jazanetti » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:49 am

New name, same stupid trades. Nothing changes...(((
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Post#970 » by OGSactownballer » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:57 am

Hit the good spot of a forced trade where we received a good return piece in DDV that actually may be an overall roster improvement as he is a far better defender and much more athletic. DJ is a flyer on a guy that has more upside potential than JJ and the money is moveable with Ersan who
may be attractive to a contender at the deadline.

Also knew that this was inevitable as Bogi was one of Vlade’s guys and he commanded more money in this particular free agency than he is really worth to us right now.

I’m good with this.
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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#971 » by sacking123 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:18 am

City of Trees wrote:Kings now have more trade assets ahead of Wednesdays draft. Maybe they use Donte or Dj to move up?

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Anything done for the draft with this trade can't happen until the 20th. That is when FA begins.
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Post#972 » by jazanetti » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:21 am

Bucks aquired 2 guards and traded FIVE draft picks while Kings got ZERO of them!
DDV is 23, he can't run the offence even in the second unit, shoots much worse then Bogi and not a better defender.
I'm starting to think that the best and the only possible way for for the Kings to get better - is to trade Fox and all possible draft picks for a competent GM.
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Post#973 » by M-C-G » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:38 pm

jazanetti wrote:Bucks aquired 2 guards and traded FIVE draft picks while Kings got ZERO of them!
DDV is 23, he can't run the offence even in the second unit, shoots much worse then Bogi and not a better defender.
I'm starting to think that the best and the only possible way for for the Kings to get better - is to trade Fox and all possible draft picks for a competent GM.


I haven't seen Bog defend yet, but Donte is probably the best defensive guard on 1s and 2s I have seen in years. Bledsoe was first team defense and I think Donte was better.

You guys will love him.
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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#974 » by City of Trees » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:55 pm

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That would be glorious. At 24 there will still be a lot of prospects.

In a s/t though you aren’t usually getting commensurate value, although this market is a little different as BOgi is a top shelf FA in this market
#24 went to N.O. in the Holiday trade.

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Are we certain of that? The Woj and Shams tweets just said “future first rounders.” They didn’t specify if they were in this draft or not. Have you seen a specific tweet mentioning 24?
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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#975 » by jakecronus8 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:53 pm

My take on Donte as a Bucks fan:

He can be exciting and frustrating. He’s still got to learn the different speeds of the game and not just go full on in his minutes. Terrific on ball defensive instincts and he’s not afraid to get physical and grab a board. Some like him as a combo guard but I think his handle is too loose to play any minutes at point.

He tested as a great athlete but at times he has trouble harnessing that athleticism (a bit spastic) and is not a great finisher. His jumper is a work in progress. I would not bet on him ever being more than streaky. He uses a lot of energy in his gather and release.

One of my biggest is concerns with him as a prospect, and I believe it’s a reason for some of his biggest deficiencies is that he seems to have small hands, which hinders his handle, jumper, and finishing ability.

Dj Wilson...yeah good luck.

Ersan is great. If you don’t buy him out he’s a good veteran teammate and locker room guy that can occasionally get hot from 3 and has a non stop motor.
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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#976 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:01 am

jazanetti wrote:Bucks aquired 2 guards and traded FIVE draft picks while Kings got ZERO of them!
DDV is 23, he can't run the offence even in the second unit, shoots much worse then Bogi and not a better defender.
I'm starting to think that the best and the only possible way for for the Kings to get better - is to trade Fox and all possible draft picks for a competent GM.


This is why you trade a Bogdan Bogdanovic at the deadline, not as a FA. There was no leverage here.
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Post#977 » by nolang1 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:36 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:
jazanetti wrote:Bucks aquired 2 guards and traded FIVE draft picks while Kings got ZERO of them!
DDV is 23, he can't run the offence even in the second unit, shoots much worse then Bogi and not a better defender.
I'm starting to think that the best and the only possible way for for the Kings to get better - is to trade Fox and all possible draft picks for a competent GM.


This is why you trade a Bogdan Bogdanovic at the deadline, not as a FA. There was no leverage here.


What exactly do you think they'd have gotten at the deadline for a 6th man type of player who was going to hit free agency? Odds are Divincenzo is going to be better than the 27th pick of this draft or whatever.
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Post#978 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:45 am

nolang1 wrote:
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jazanetti wrote:Bucks aquired 2 guards and traded FIVE draft picks while Kings got ZERO of them!
DDV is 23, he can't run the offence even in the second unit, shoots much worse then Bogi and not a better defender.
I'm starting to think that the best and the only possible way for for the Kings to get better - is to trade Fox and all possible draft picks for a competent GM.


This is why you trade a Bogdan Bogdanovic at the deadline, not as a FA. There was no leverage here.


What exactly do you think they'd have gotten at the deadline for a 6th man type of player who was going to hit free agency? Odds are Divincenzo is going to be better than the 27th pick of this draft or whatever.


Who knows, their complaint was why the Kings got nothing as far as picks. There would have been options there potentially and clearly more than they had now. The Kings got a decent poor mans Bogdan I guess. I think it's likely with how wide open things were at the time the Kings could have gotten something better than a 27th pick in this draft as far as draft assets.
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Post#979 » by nolang1 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:25 am

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This is why you trade a Bogdan Bogdanovic at the deadline, not as a FA. There was no leverage here.


What exactly do you think they'd have gotten at the deadline for a 6th man type of player who was going to hit free agency? Odds are Divincenzo is going to be better than the 27th pick of this draft or whatever.


Who knows, their complaint was why the Kings got nothing as far as picks. There would have been options there potentially and clearly more than they had now. The Kings got a decent poor mans Bogdan I guess. I think it's likely with how wide open things were at the time the Kings could have gotten something better than a 27th pick in this draft as far as draft assets.


No team with any hope of going anywhere in the playoffs would've had Bogdan starting. The players who got moved for picks were Marcus Morris and Robert Covington, both of whom started for their teams and are more useful players than Bogdan (you might not see it that way if you think DiVincenzo is a decent poor man's Bogdan rather than someone who's already as good overall while being 4 years younger and much cheaper, but there's this thing called defense).
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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#980 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:58 am

nolang1 wrote:
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What exactly do you think they'd have gotten at the deadline for a 6th man type of player who was going to hit free agency? Odds are Divincenzo is going to be better than the 27th pick of this draft or whatever.


Who knows, their complaint was why the Kings got nothing as far as picks. There would have been options there potentially and clearly more than they had now. The Kings got a decent poor mans Bogdan I guess. I think it's likely with how wide open things were at the time the Kings could have gotten something better than a 27th pick in this draft as far as draft assets.


No team with any hope of going anywhere in the playoffs would've had Bogdan starting. The players who got moved for picks were Marcus Morris and Robert Covington, both of whom started for their teams and are more useful players than Bogdan (you might not see it that way if you think DiVincenzo is a decent poor man's Bogdan rather than someone who's already as good overall while being 4 years younger and much cheaper, but there's this thing called defense).


This conversation was based on picks in return, nothing to do with him starting. He's still a smallish combo G and skill wise they provide the same basic things. He's a solid player but it doesn't matter even if you don't see it that way. Bogdan can slide up to the positions in demand. Defense is TBD. He hustles and plays hard for sure but that team he was on had an impact as well now we will see his true impact value.

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