Trade Idea Thread 15-16

[City of Trees]

The talks have been very mutual but initiated by Indy main parts talked about Indy trading P.George & Kings trading Gay + either our pick or 1 other names mentioned as fillers have been Ben , Marco & Darren . Package could be bigger overall but these are the starting points.

I can't see why Indy would trade P. George? He's the type of player who demands Cousins included in a trade, not Gay+8. I'm all about trading Gay tho.


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[Kings2013]

Still think a draft day deal sending Poetl to Boston if we don't have a target at 8 makes some sense. They have a lot of assets and will look to consolidate

[raferfenix]

Thank You for the kind welcome back . As stated before I will be happy to inform of trade talks & chatter as long as all is civil as I don't have time for or need the drama .

The talks have been very mutual but initiated by Indy main parts talked about Indy trading P.George & Kings trading Gay + either our pick or 1 other names mentioned as fillers have been Ben , Marco & Darren . Package could be bigger overall but these are the starting points.

All this said This is just talk at this point not claiming it to happen IMO it will not happen unless we at least get Indy's #20 pick in return in that deal .

Also heard Boston wanting Gay in a deal were Kings may get 1 -2 later 1st round picks in a deal that would ilkely include A.Johnson

P.S. your Bucks are trying to pry Rubio from the Wolves if that happens Wolves nay draft Dunn if wolves don't trade Rubio they will likely trade their # 5 pick as they want a couple of veterans under Thibs . I don't think the Wolves trade Rubio either though IMO .
Noah could be on the Wolves team this season as well .

Thanks for relaying -- if Indy is shopping George I'd imagine there will be plenty of competition for his services.

Likewise have a hard time seeing #8 + Gay getting it done without a major addition to the package. Suspect Boston and Philly at least would pretty easily top those offers with their stockpiles of picks and young players.

And appreciate the Rubio report, we've been talking about him on our board since the rumors started of a mutual interest between Dunn and Minnesota.

[PaKwAn]

yeah I don't think indy does that..that package won't even net us P.George's shoes... I would also rate George as slightly better than Cuz...

[SacKingZZZ]

Eh, I like Paul George, but I have always felt he's a bit overrated. He's not a true double team type.

If George were an option it would probably have to be Gay + 8 + Willie which I'm not down with that personally. I think that's too much. Gay if used in the same capacity as George isn't that far under him as a talent. Larry Bird is a smart dude, and he always finds his way back to the upper regions of success even if his moves at the time are questioned.

[SacKingZZZ]

Thank You for the kind welcome back . As stated before I will be happy to inform of trade talks & chatter as long as all is civil as I don't have time for or need the drama .

The talks have been very mutual but initiated by Indy main parts talked about Indy trading P.George & Kings trading Gay + either our pick or 1 other names mentioned as fillers have been Ben , Marco & Darren . Package could be bigger overall but these are the starting points.

All this said This is just talk at this point not claiming it to happen IMO it will not happen unless we at least get Indy's #20 pick in return in that deal .

Also heard Boston wanting Gay in a deal were Kings may get 1 -2 later 1st round picks in a deal that would ilkely include A.Johnson

P.S. your Bucks are trying to pry Rubio from the Wolves if that happens Wolves nay draft Dunn if wolves don't trade Rubio they will likely trade their # 5 pick as they want a couple of veterans under Thibs . I don't think the Wolves trade Rubio either though IMO .
Noah could be on the Wolves team this season as well .

Thanks for relaying -- if Indy is shopping George I'd imagine there will be plenty of competition for his services.

Likewise have a hard time seeing #8 + Gay getting it done without a major addition to the package. Suspect Boston and Philly at least would pretty easily top those offers with their stockpiles of picks and young players.

And appreciate the Rubio report, we've been talking about him on our board since the rumors started of a mutual interest between Dunn and Minnesota.

Would he trade George to a rival like the C's? Also, I'm pretty sure if the Kings and Pacers are talking the name Willie Cauley-Stein is the emphasis of those conversations. Larry Bird let that cat out of the bag way too early in last years draft process.

[dozencousins]

Thank You for the kind welcome back . As stated before I will be happy to inform of trade talks & chatter as long as all is civil as I don't have time for or need the drama .

The talks have been very mutual but initiated by Indy main parts talked about Indy trading P.George & Kings trading Gay + either our pick or 1 other names mentioned as fillers have been Ben , Marco & Darren . Package could be bigger overall but these are the starting points.

All this said This is just talk at this point not claiming it to happen IMO it will not happen unless we at least get Indy's #20 pick in return in that deal .

Also heard Boston wanting Gay in a deal were Kings may get 1 -2 later 1st round picks in a deal that would ilkely include A.Johnson

P.S. your Bucks are trying to pry Rubio from the Wolves if that happens Wolves nay draft Dunn if wolves don't trade Rubio they will likely trade their # 5 pick as they want a couple of veterans under Thibs . I don't think the Wolves trade Rubio either though IMO .
Noah could be on the Wolves team this season as well .

Thanks for relaying -- if Indy is shopping George I'd imagine there will be plenty of competition for his services.

Likewise have a hard time seeing #8 + Gay getting it done without a major addition to the package. Suspect Boston and Philly at least would pretty easily top those offers with their stockpiles of picks and young players.

And appreciate the Rubio report, we've been talking about him on our board since the rumors started of a mutual interest between Dunn and Minnesota.

Would he trade George to a rival like the C's? Also, I'm pretty sure if the Kings and Pacers are talking the name Willie Cauley-Stein is the emphasis of those conversations. Larry Bird let that cat out of the bag way too early in last years draft process.

I have not heard anything about WCS in any deal as of yet this one as well though I don't want to claim he would not be involved if one were to happen .
I personally believe WCS is on the verge of being a stud NBA player and I love his game as well as his heart & attitude I would not add him in this deal if it were my decision .

[SacKingZZZ]

If there are really any conversations between the Pacers and Kings, when you relate it back to recent history I'd find it highly unlikely his name wouldn't be brought up by Bird. Unless his comments before the draft were a smokescreen or he's well aware that the Kings view him as untouchable, which I would view as a mistake. For the time being the only untouchable should be the player you are building around and that's Cousins.

[dozencousins]

If there are really any conversations between the Pacers and Kings, when you relate it back to recent history I'd find it highly unlikely his name wouldn't be brought up by Bird. Unless his comments before the draft were a smokescreen or he's well aware that the Kings view him as untouchable, which I would view as a mistake. For the time being the only untouchable should be the player you are building around and that's Cousins.

Well I am not making anything up . All I have said was that I haven't heard WCS name brought up in any trade talks as of yet .
I do not lie so I just try and provide factual information and not speculate unless I say that I am speculating . only reporting what I know thats it .

[codydaze]

Eh, I like Paul George, but I have always felt he's a bit overrated. He's not a true double team type.

If George were an option it would probably have to be Gay + 8 + Willie which I'm not down with that personally. I think that's too much. Gay if used in the same capacity as George isn't that far under him as a talent. Larry Bird is a smart dude, and he always finds his way back to the upper regions of success even if his moves at the time are questioned.

I would say PG is a couple echelons above Gay in any capacity....

[codydaze]

And yes, WCS has been the poster child for everything Sacramento Kings recently. He's every where. No chance we're trading him.

[SactoKingsFan]

Eh, I like Paul George, but I have always felt he's a bit overrated. He's not a true double team type.

If George were an option it would probably have to be Gay + 8 + Willie which I'm not down with that personally. I think that's too much. Gay if used in the same capacity as George isn't that far under him as a talent. Larry Bird is a smart dude, and he always finds his way back to the upper regions of success even if his moves at the time are questioned.

We're not getting Paul George but I hope Vlade would pull the trigger if he had the opportunity to get George for WCS, #8 in a 3-5 player draft and Gay. The talent gap doesn't really matter when Paul George is so much more impactful than Rudy Gay. Rudy would be a star if talent was enough to overcome low bball IQ and overall drive but there are quite a few less talented wings like Middleton, Batum, Danny Green, Korver, Redick and Roberson that are clearly more portable and impactful than Gay. Moving WCS would be tough but this league is about stars and the Kings with DMC and PG would have two top 10 players with skill-sets that should mesh very well in their prime.

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[SacKingZZZ]

If there are really any conversations between the Pacers and Kings, when you relate it back to recent history I'd find it highly unlikely his name wouldn't be brought up by Bird. Unless his comments before the draft were a smokescreen or he's well aware that the Kings view him as untouchable, which I would view as a mistake. For the time being the only untouchable should be the player you are building around and that's Cousins.

Well I am not making anything up . All I have said was that I haven't heard WCS name brought up in any trade talks as of yet .
I do not lie so I just try and provide factual information and not speculate unless I say that I am speculating . only reporting what I know thats it .

I didn't say you were, I'm saying if his name isn't being discussed it has to be because the Kings have said he's off limits. Something I'm not sure is necessarily the right thing to do at this point if that's the case. The only other reason would be maybe the teams they've talked to have no interest in him.

[SacKingZZZ]

Eh, I like Paul George, but I have always felt he's a bit overrated. He's not a true double team type.

If George were an option it would probably have to be Gay + 8 + Willie which I'm not down with that personally. I think that's too much. Gay if used in the same capacity as George isn't that far under him as a talent. Larry Bird is a smart dude, and he always finds his way back to the upper regions of success even if his moves at the time are questioned.

I would say PG is a couple echelons above Gay in any capacity....

I guess it depends on how you scale it. When Gay first got to Sac he was in a role somewhat similar to George. He shot it a little better, although there were less 3's so that effects things, and was just a tad under Georges production levels in almost every category.

[dozencousins]

If there are really any conversations between the Pacers and Kings, when you relate it back to recent history I'd find it highly unlikely his name wouldn't be brought up by Bird. Unless his comments before the draft were a smokescreen or he's well aware that the Kings view him as untouchable, which I would view as a mistake. For the time being the only untouchable should be the player you are building around and that's Cousins.

Well I am not making anything up . All I have said was that I haven't heard WCS name brought up in any trade talks as of yet .
I do not lie so I just try and provide factual information and not speculate unless I say that I am speculating . only reporting what I know thats it .

I didn't say you were, I'm saying if his name isn't being discussed it has to be because the Kings have said he's off limits. Something I'm not sure is necessarily the right thing to do at this point if that's the case. The only other reason would be maybe the teams they've talked to have no interest in him.

I misunderstood your response sorry .

[dozencousins]

Eh, I like Paul George, but I have always felt he's a bit overrated. He's not a true double team type.

If George were an option it would probably have to be Gay + 8 + Willie which I'm not down with that personally. I think that's too much. Gay if used in the same capacity as George isn't that far under him as a talent. Larry Bird is a smart dude, and he always finds his way back to the upper regions of success even if his moves at the time are questioned.

I would say PG is a couple echelons above Gay in any capacity....

I guess it depends on how you scale it. When Gay first got to Sac he was in a role somewhat similar to George. He shot it a little better, although there were less 3's so that effects things, and was just a tad under Georges production levels in almost every category.

George is better than Gay overall IMO he can play offense and defense were as Gay plays offense but is very limited on the defensive side .

[Jkam31]

Mind boggling that some of you even for a second would hesitate on PG13. Trust I love WCS but getting George puts us in the playoffs with just our big 2.


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Also Indy would have to be blowing it up but 2/Russell or 3/Bradley/Smart beat any of our offers

[Sacramento_King]

I would say PG is a couple echelons above Gay in any capacity....

I guess it depends on how you scale it. When Gay first got to Sac he was in a role somewhat similar to George. He shot it a little better, although there were less 3's so that effects things, and was just a tad under Georges production levels in almost every category.

George is better than Gay overall IMO he can play offense and defense were as Gay plays offense but is very limited on the defensive side .

Are we really having this discussion? Gay is nowhere near the player George is. Forget the stats and production levels. George led Indy to a 45-37 record while Gay with a much better team and players fell apart. I know the Karl thing but I cant believe we are even putting PG and Gay together for comparison sakes. If Bird wants the #8, Gay and one of Darren, Marco and BMac; it's an absolute no brainer, say yes before the alcohol wears off, call it in to league response. PG and Cousins would be incredible.

[SacKingZZZ]

I would say PG is a couple echelons above Gay in any capacity....

I guess it depends on how you scale it. When Gay first got to Sac he was in a role somewhat similar to George. He shot it a little better, although there were less 3's so that effects things, and was just a tad under Georges production levels in almost every category.

George is better than Gay overall IMO he can play offense and defense were as Gay plays offense but is very limited on the defensive side .

I'm not saying George isn't better overall, but I don't think he's as much as some people would assume. Certainly not a TON of trade value more IMO.

[SacKingZZZ]

Mind boggling that some of you even for a second would hesitate on PG13. Trust I love WCS but getting George puts us in the playoffs with just our big 2.


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Also Indy would have to be blowing it up but 2/Russell or 3/Bradley/Smart beat any of our offers

Of course they would, value wise but would those ever be offered? I think the Lakers getting the 2nd pick make it harder for them to not just stick in rebuild mode for a while. Also, how much a Gay/8/Cauley-Stein package compares would depend on whether or not the Pacers are blowing it up and how much they liked 8 and WCS.

Also, that C's package doesn't even come close to that Lakers one if it's about rebuilding for the Pacers.