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Post#981 » by BoogieTime » Mon Jul 9, 2018 7:20 pm

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I think he is more capable guarding the 3 than bogdon but that’s not saying much. Also Hood would be our best sf, but again that’s not saying much. Hood makes us a lil better, but that’s not saying much.
I dont know Much about Hood. I would agree with you here....so I guess the question is, is Hood a better option than Buddy at the 3? If no then why in the hell would we sign Hood?

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Hood is a piss poor defender and that was on a team where Gordon Hayward was an average defender. If Buddy puts up better defensive advanced stats on Sacramento than Hood does on Utah, I have absolutely no faith in Hood coming to Sacramento and being anything other than terrible on that end.

Compare Smart to Hood and once you get past the fact that Hood is 4 inches taller the answer for our defensive/playmaking needs seem obvious.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html
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Buddy is becoming a solid defender. So not sure that’s the comparison. Though Hood is bad. That shouldn’t be an option and I hope it’s guesswork by Jones
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Re: RE: Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#982 » by becorz » Mon Jul 9, 2018 7:25 pm

BoogieTime wrote:Buddy is becoming a solid defender. So not sure that’s the comparison. Though Hood is bad. That shouldn’t be an option and I hope it’s guesswork by Jones

So, maybe I am wrong here, but it really seems that Jones has inherited the Ailene Voisin's spot as the columnist that reports Kings propaganda. Whenever I see something from him, I feel that it is coming straight from the team and the team wants that information to get out. Does anyone else feel that way?

I feel the same way about James Ham sometimes, but with him I think he is very close with the team and I think that he does a little more vetting of the information.

Maybe I am wrong.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#983 » by mg » Mon Jul 9, 2018 8:00 pm

KF10 wrote:I rather play Shump at the 3 than to pay anything for Hood.


Honestly someone needs to save Vlade from himself. Just because you have capspace you don't go out and overpay for a mediocre Hood. There's a reason the Jazz dumped him before he hit RFA. Look at all the bad contracts that were given out in 2016 just because teams had capspace. If Hood is such a necessity, which I don't see, then call Cleveland and see if they will accept some trinket in a sign and trade instead of offering the dude some huge overpay contract that is going to cripple either team going forward. You just know it will take nearly a Lavine type deal for the Cavs not to match considering they just lost their starting sf in FA.
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Re: RE: Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#984 » by LightTheBeam » Mon Jul 9, 2018 8:30 pm

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City of Trees wrote:I dont know Much about Hood. I would agree with you here....so I guess the question is, is Hood a better option than Buddy at the 3? If no then why in the hell would we sign Hood?

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Hood is a piss poor defender and that was on a team where Gordon Hayward was an average defender. If Buddy puts up better defensive advanced stats on Sacramento than Hood does on Utah, I have absolutely no faith in Hood coming to Sacramento and being anything other than terrible on that end.

Compare Smart to Hood and once you get past the fact that Hood is 4 inches taller the answer for our defensive/playmaking needs seem obvious.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hoodro01.html


Buddy is becoming a solid defender. So not sure that’s the comparison. Though Hood is bad. That shouldn’t be an option and I hope it’s guesswork by Jones


I agree, Buddy on Utah would be putting up good defensive advanced stats. Hood is clearly a negative even on a solid defensive team anchored by Gobert. But if hes negative on Utah, he would be extremely negative in Sacramento.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#985 » by kalenclayton » Mon Jul 9, 2018 9:23 pm

I know this is from a couple days ago, but I thought I’d share just in case y’all haven’t seen it. This is the type of thing Vlade needs to be seeking. I really hope this is true.

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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#986 » by SacKingZZZ » Mon Jul 9, 2018 10:19 pm

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RipPizzaGuy wrote:So rodney hood huh guys? Not sure I like that to be honest. Is he really more capable guarding the 3 than bogdan? Anything more than 3/30 is an overpay to me. 1 dimensional bad attitude player. I liked him in Utah but his time in Cleveland truly rubbed me the wrong way.


I think he is more capable guarding the 3 than bogdon but that’s not saying much. Also Hood would be our best sf, but again that’s not saying much. Hood makes us a lil better, but that’s not saying much.


From what I saw from Bogdan last year when guarding SF's he did just fine. In fact, it was later in the year we saw the potential struggles with Bogdan defensively when quicker guards rammed him into pick and rolls. He can and should be switching screens. Hood is more of the same. He's a 2/3 when the Kings still need a freakin' 3/4 combo!
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#987 » by madskillz8 » Mon Jul 9, 2018 10:20 pm

kalenclayton wrote:I know this is from a couple days ago, but I thought I’d share just in case y’all haven’t seen it. This is the type of thing Vlade needs to be seeking. I really hope this is true.

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Covington??? Just no.

I know RPM or similar advanced stats are suggesting him to be a great 3-D guy, but he's not. As a one who have watched like 50 PHI games in last two years, IMO he's not a good basketball player at all. Very streaky shooter. And he cannot dribble the ball more than three times, literally. When it comes to defense, he's a good piece as a team defender with long arms, helps and overall defensive awareness, but still not a perimeter defender you like to send to defend the best wing of the opponent.

On the other hand, I still prefer him against Hood as a SF.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#988 » by codydaze » Mon Jul 9, 2018 10:28 pm

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kalenclayton wrote:I know this is from a couple days ago, but I thought I’d share just in case y’all haven’t seen it. This is the type of thing Vlade needs to be seeking. I really hope this is true.

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Covington??? Just no.

I know RPM or similar advanced stats are suggesting him to be a great 3-D guy, but he's not. As a one who have watched like 50 PHI games in last two years, IMO he's not a good basketball player at all. Very streaky shooter. And he cannot dribble the ball more than three times, literally. When it comes to defense, he's a good piece as a team defender with long arms, helps and overall defensive awareness, but still not a perimeter defender you like to send to defend the best wing of the opponent.

On the other hand, I still prefer him against Hood as a SF.


Covington would be an awesome get for us. He's the perfect type of player for us at the 3 and is on a great contract.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#989 » by kalenclayton » Mon Jul 9, 2018 10:35 pm

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kalenclayton wrote:I know this is from a couple days ago, but I thought I’d share just in case y’all haven’t seen it. This is the type of thing Vlade needs to be seeking. I really hope this is true.

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Covington??? Just no.

I know RPM or similar advanced stats are suggesting him to be a great 3-D guy, but he's not. As a one who have watched like 50 PHI games in last two years, IMO he's not a good basketball player at all. Very streaky shooter. And he cannot dribble the ball more than three times, literally. When it comes to defense, he's a good piece as a team defender with long arms, helps and overall defensive awareness, but still not a perimeter defender you like to send to defend the best wing of the opponent.

On the other hand, I still prefer him against Hood as a SF.


Covington would be an awesome get for us. He's the perfect type of player for us at the 3 and is on a great contract.

@madskillz We don’t need someone who needs to dribble. We have plenty of those guys. What we do need is someone who has a respectable shot so he can help space the floor. Then we need perimeter defenders. He checks both of those boxes. He also seems like an awesome guy. It’s a great fit.

@codydaze I completely agree with you. The crazy part about Chris Sheridan’s article is that we would be getting picks as well. That doesn’t smell right, but I’ll take it if it’s there. I love it!!!
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#990 » by madskillz8 » Mon Jul 9, 2018 10:36 pm

You would propably hate him after just 10 games, I bet.

I want to see Bogdan, Hield, Jackson and Temple sharing SF minutes, as long as the opposing SF is not PG, Lebron or Tatum. That's why we should've kept Sampson around.

Edit: He's a good and a competitive character. I agree.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#991 » by madskillz8 » Mon Jul 9, 2018 11:06 pm

Vlade should got Cedi Osman for George Hill, rather than Shumpert. He's way better than Covington, at least he has all the fundamentals to play basketball.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#992 » by SacKingZZZ » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:29 am

madskillz8 wrote:Vlade should got Cedi Osman for George Hill, rather than Shumpert. He's way better than Covington, at least he has all the fundamentals to play basketball.



That's the issues you run into when you sign someone to that kind of dough, tank their value because they were a poor fit since you didn't win anyway, and then need to match salaries. The Kings could only scrap together a deal that saw them eliminate less than 50% of Hills salary, nothing more.
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Post#994 » by City of Trees » Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:08 am

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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#995 » by City of Trees » Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:10 am

Boston radio guy says Smart is in Las Vegas meeting the Kings

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Post#996 » by kalenclayton » Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:14 am

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Re: Kings Off-Season 

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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#998 » by SacKingZZZ » Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:30 am

If they are determined to spend money on a restricted FA then I'm OK with Smart. I was a big fan of his coming out of college, and while the shooting does concern me I think he provides enough intangibles to still be a positive performer. That said, C's match, hahaha.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#999 » by SacKingZZZ » Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:38 am

I wonder if Vlade has figured this out yet. If you want to have a shot at a restricted FA then throw out a trade offer to the players team and see if they bite. The Kings have some excess bigs to deal. Of course he'll probably trade them Hield or something dumb to where he loses the deal in the end.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1000 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:40 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:If they are determined to spend money on a restricted FA then I'm OK with Smart. I was a big fan of his coming out of college, and while the shooting does concern me I think he provides enough intangibles to still be a positive performer. That said, C's match, hahaha.

Depends on the offer. Celtics are somewhere around $8.5 million away from the tax line and don’t want to pay the tax next year because they will be paying the tax every year after next year.

Anything north of $12 million per year I doubt the Celtics match.

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