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Hollinger's List of Top Chuckers in the league.

Beasley tops the list; followed by Noc

Nocioni

Andres Nocioni, Kings
The classic case of a jaded veteran on a bad team; you can practically hear him screaming "get me out of here" every time he catches and shoots a contested 22-footer in the first seven seconds of the shot clock. Known as "Red Bull" for his superior effort level in Chicago, his color is more blue these days -- check out all those cold zones on his NBA.com shot chart. Nocioni shoots 46 percent or less from every spot except the left corner and 39.6 percent overall. Does "El Rey Azul" work for anyone?

Evans is number seven on the list. He comes after, Humphries Hughes Harrington (LOL Triple H), and Ersan Ilyasova.

Evans

Tyreke Evans, Kings
Evans plays point guard much of the time and thus has a decent assist ratio, but that masks his major weakness as a playmaker: He thinks sequentially. As in, "First, I'll look for my shot; only when I am cut off, I'll look to see what's going on around me." As a result he might be one of the most frustrating teammates in the league.

He's one of a handful of players with a TS% under 53 and a usage rate above 25, but the visual is what really puts him over the top -- the idea of involving people just for the sake of their participation in the offense seems completely foreign to him. Too many times he's passing only as a last resort.

The remainder of guys after Evans are: Ariza, Ellis, Rasheed Wallace, Arenas, Al Jeff, Ford and Pargo.


Thought this was funny! About Rasheed Wallace

Wallace

Rasheed Wallace, Celtics
The Sports Guy's new favorite player is theoretically unselfish, except for the part about him being infected by the ghost of Antoine Walker and jacking up every 3 he can possibly get his hands on. Only Baron Davis has taken so many 3s to so little effect, and Davis has played nearly 50 percent more minutes.

What makes Wallace even more maddening is that there are plenty of shots you want him to take and he won't take them -- getting him to post up has proved frustratingly difficult ever since Mike Dunleavy was ripping out his few remaining hairs trying to get him to do it in Portland.

ITS THE SHIMMY BABY

Hollinger makes me laugh with his numbers and what not. I find it funny that Ben Gordon, Marcus Thorton, Von Wafer, Jarret Jack, Stephen Curry just to name a few aren't on that list. However he did start the article like this:

Before we start, a few caveats: First of all, I didn't pick on players who are having unusually poor shooting seasons taking the shots they normally take (Rodney Stuckey and Kirk Hinrich, for instance) -- that's not the idea here. Second, I cut some slack for players on bad offensive teams. Stuckey and Richard Hamilton have ridiculously high usage rates, for instance, but that's in part because they play with three non-scorers around them most of the time -- somebody has to shoot the thing.

Hollinger is the poster child that proves that when one focuses purely on stats as the basis of their argument, that they are arguing with their head up their ass.

I don't think anyone in the free world or even North Korea disagrees about Noc being a completely worthless chucker. But he is totally off base with Evans for multiple reasons. First off there is the simple fact that he is a rookie who is learning the NBA game and learning how to meld his natural talents into a cohesive game plan. Second, Evans' "playmaking" has improved significantly throughout the year IMO. Third, his "playmaking" abiliy is directly related to the caliber of talent around him...he can't be expected to create for others when the other guys on the floor with him are clueless. Finally, Hollinger cannot get it through his head that Evans is NOT a traditional PG and should not be judged based on some preconcieved notion of what a traditional PG's game should look like. The era of "traditional PGs" is dead IMO. Hollinger has not figured out how to make his stats arguments adapt to that reality.

+1 KIE, I was like how does Evans make that list. I wonder if he understands what is the meaning of Chucker! Chuckers imo are guys I listed. But i'm not surprised, he's hard in the Jennings and Curry camp. He's on record saying that any way

pathetic.

Chad Ford is an idiot...

perezident wrote:Hollinger makes me laugh with his numbers and what not. I find it funny that Ben Gordon, Marcus Thorton, Von Wafer, Jarret Jack, Stephen Curry just to name a few aren't on that list.

Some of those guys take bad shots but none would be chuckers in my book. Stephen Curry really? Evans does force a lot of shots and does dribble the clock down. The guys on the floor to me aren't clueless. They just get tired of running around on an offense where it's Evans dribbling for 18 seconds and then him attacking.

John Hollinger wrote this, not Ford. Hollinger is a tard. Crawford is a chucker, yet is not on this list. A lot of the guys he has on there are def chuckers.

perezident wrote:Hollinger makes me laugh with his numbers and what not. I find it funny that Ben Gordon, Marcus Thorton, Von Wafer, Jarret Jack, Stephen Curry just to name a few aren't on that list.

I think you have to be chucking up a lot of bad shots to be considered for the honor. There is no way Hollinger will put Jarrett Jack on the list when Jack is "chucking" at a .600 TS%. That's significantly better than Wade, Kobe, Brandon Roy, and his teammate Bosh. Only a handful of freakishly efficient players (LeBron, Boozer, etc.) had slightly higher TS%.

And, if you know Hollinger, Jack is doubly disqualified by his .300+ assist ratio. I mean, only a small handful of passers in the league were markedly better: Kidd, Nash, Deron, CP3, Rajon Rondo, and Jack's other teammate, Jose Calderon.

I have to agree about Noce, but hey, thats what he is. Disagree about Evans. Granted he does take alot of shots, but so do alot of players in the league. Kobe takes alot of shots, is he a chucker? If you watch Evans closely, he does try to get others involved, he doesn't try and score everytime he touches the ball. I disagree about the "last resort passing" comment.

Why isn't Kobe on that list?

Why isn't cuad on the list? He's a verbal chucker.

Great thing about Evans is that his crew probably read the article and will tell him about it, which should really motivate him to work on his mid-range during the offseason.