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Everything I know about Derrick Favors comes from a few draft websites. They both boast of his 6'10" frame, length and athleticism, etc. I read that he takes pride in defense and was a wonderful shot blocker in college.

I'm jumping on the D. Favors bandwagon, but I got to thinking. With all the talk about his size and athleticism, what are the chances he could turn out to be a similar player as Michael Beasley? I'd like to get some people's take on Favors that comes from more experience watching his games. How does his game compare to Beasley, who in my opinion, has been a lackluster role player at best?

They are totally different players IMO. Favors is more of a post up athletic big, compared to Amare/Okafor. Beasely is more of a hybrid PF with SF abilities, relying on his jump shot instead of a post up game, ala Jamison/Lamarcus Alridch.

darkadun wrote:They are totally different players IMO. Favors is more of a post up athletic big, compared to Amare/Okafor. Beasely is more of a hybrid PF with SF abilities, relying on his jump shot instead of a post up game, ala Jamison/Lamarcus Alridch.

Thompson, Greene and Hawes strengths as well but Thompson attacks the basket more than the other Kings.

What happens if we do get a #3 pick?

If we do get Favors with Tyreke we have no Martin to hit outside shots to take pressure off them. As soon as teams figured out last year that Thompson/Evans were both going to the paint they by loaded the paint and forced us to beat teams shooting. Adding Favors would help no doubt but we will have to find ways to hit late shots to win other than Beno.

I would love to have Favors as a compliment to the other guys.

JJ Redick could help I think

cdt3 wrote:

darkadun wrote:They are totally different players IMO. Favors is more of a post up athletic big, compared to Amare/Okafor. Beasely is more of a hybrid PF with SF abilities, relying on his jump shot instead of a post up game, ala Jamison/Lamarcus Alridch.

Thompson, Greene and Hawes strengths as well but Thompson attacks the basket more than the other Kings.

What happens if we do get a #3 pick?

If we do get Favors with Tyreke we have no Martin to hit outside shots to take pressure off them. As soon as teams figured out last year that Thompson/Evans were both going to the paint they by loaded the paint and forced us to beat teams shooting. Adding Favors would help no doubt but we will have to find ways to hit late shots to win other than Beno.

I would love to have Favors as a compliment to the other guys.

Our team is far from ready. In my eyes, we have one starter on a contending team right now. One guy that could be a starter (Landry) depending on the players next to him. Two guys with potential (Casspi, Greene), but at this point, they are nothing more than that. Hawes is nothing more than a bench player, until he can physically compete with other centers. Thompson's improvement has really slowed down lately, and doesn't appear he will be good enough to be a legit starter.

In my mind
PG: T. Evans/B. Udrih/______
SG:_____/F. Garcia/________
SF:_____/D. Greene/O. Casspi
PF:_____/C. Landry/_________
C : _____/J. Thompson/S. Hawes

Landry is a good player, but he isn't good enough to be a legitimate 1st big option. He is a player that is more suited for the 3rd big role (or paired up with a true big down low such as Dwight, Yao, Lopez, Bogut).
Donte has shown promise, but othertimes has seen bleh. He has shown nothing close to us labeling him as a future starter. As of now, he is potential and that's about it.
Casspi showed a lot of promise at the beginning of the season, but hit his wall hard. Again, he hasn't shown enough to prove of being anything more than a bench/role player.
Garcia/Nocioni aren't good enough to be major factors on a contending team.
Brockman is nothing more than a role player at best.
Beno has shown he can start and play well, but if Beno/Evans is our backcourt, we better have a very good frontcourt if we hope to contend.

deNIEd wrote:
Our team is far from ready. In my eyes, we have one starter on a contending team right now. One guy that could be a starter (Landry) depending on the players next to him. Two guys with potential (Casspi, Greene), but at this point, they are nothing more than that. Hawes is nothing more than a bench player, until he can physically compete with other centers. Thompson's improvement has really slowed down lately, and doesn't appear he will be good enough to be a legit starter.

In my mind
PG: T. Evans/B. Udrih/______
SG:_____/F. Garcia/________
SF:_____/D. Greene/O. Casspi
PF:_____/C. Landry/_________
C : _____/J. Thompson/S. Hawes

Landry is a good player, but he isn't good enough to be a legitimate 1st big option. He is a player that is more suited for the 3rd big role (or paired up with a true big down low such as Dwight, Yao, Lopez, Bogut).
Donte has shown promise, but othertimes has seen bleh. He has shown nothing close to us labeling him as a future starter. As of now, he is potential and that's about it.
Casspi showed a lot of promise at the beginning of the season, but hit his wall hard. Again, he hasn't shown enough to prove of being anything more than a bench/role player.
Garcia/Nocioni aren't good enough to be major factors on a contending team.
Brockman is nothing more than a role player at best.
Beno has shown he can start and play well, but if Beno/Evans is our backcourt, we better have a very good frontcourt if we hope to contend.

What? Here are some starters on recent championship teams.
08-09 Derrick Fisher, Trevor Ariza
07-08 Rajon Rondo (much worse than he is now) and Kendrick Perkins
06-07 Fabricio Oberto, Michael Finley, aging Bruce Bowen
05-06 Jason Williams, Udonis Haslem, Antoine Walker
04-05 Rasho Nesterovic
03-04 Fair enough
02-03 Very young Tony Parker, pre-prime Stephen Jackson, 37-year-old David Robinson
01-02 Fisher, Fox, Samaki Walker

Possibly Championship starters this year: Anthony Parker, Matt Barnes, Derrick Fisher again

Going off of this, I'd say most of our roster can start on a championship team.

mitchweber wrote:What? Here are some starters on recent championship teams.
08-09 Derrick Fisher, Trevor Ariza
07-08 Rajon Rondo (much worse than he is now) and Kendrick Perkins
06-07 Fabricio Oberto, Michael Finley, aging Bruce Bowen
05-06 Jason Williams, Udonis Haslem, Antoine Walker
04-05 Rasho Nesterovic
03-04 Fair enough
02-03 Very young Tony Parker, pre-prime Stephen Jackson, 37-year-old David Robinson
01-02 Fisher, Fox, Samaki Walker

Possibly Championship starters this year: Anthony Parker, Matt Barnes, Derrick Fisher again

Going off of this, I'd say most of our roster can start on a championship team.

Well, I guess my whole point was that, none of our guys (outside of Tyreke) have shown enough to warrant us drafting people to complement them. Could Thompson, Landry, Casspi, Garcia, etc. start if we have the right players around them? Absolutely. However, with the case of Favors, if we feel Favors is going to be special...we should not worry about him complementing Landry/Thompson/Hawes. But, with Tyreke it's different. Tyreke has shown enough to warrant us finding players that will fit with him and his style of play.

deNIEd wrote:

mitchweber wrote:What? Here are some starters on recent championship teams.
08-09 Derrick Fisher, Trevor Ariza
07-08 Rajon Rondo (much worse than he is now) and Kendrick Perkins
06-07 Fabricio Oberto, Michael Finley, aging Bruce Bowen
05-06 Jason Williams, Udonis Haslem, Antoine Walker
04-05 Rasho Nesterovic
03-04 Fair enough
02-03 Very young Tony Parker, pre-prime Stephen Jackson, 37-year-old David Robinson
01-02 Fisher, Fox, Samaki Walker

Possibly Championship starters this year: Anthony Parker, Matt Barnes, Derrick Fisher again

Going off of this, I'd say most of our roster can start on a championship team.

Well, I guess my whole point was that, none of our guys (outside of Tyreke) have shown enough to warrant us drafting people to complement them. Could Thompson, Landry, Casspi, Garcia, etc. start if we have the right players around them? Absolutely. However, with the case of Favors, if we feel Favors is going to be special...we should not worry about him complementing Landry/Thompson/Hawes. But, with Tyreke it's different. Tyreke has shown enough to warrant us finding players that will fit with him and his style of play.

That's a pretty different statement, but I suppose it's one I agree with.

troydestroy wrote:Everything I know about Derrick Favors comes from a few draft websites. They both boast of his 6'10" frame, length and athleticism, etc. I read that he takes pride in defense and was a wonderful shot blocker in college.

I'm jumping on the D. Favors bandwagon, but I got to thinking. With all the talk about his size and athleticism, what are the chances he could turn out to be a similar player as Michael Beasley? I'd like to get some people's take on Favors that comes from more experience watching his games. How does his game compare to Beasley, who in my opinion, has been a lackluster role player at best?

As said, not much. I was originally very disappointed when I saw Favors because the types he was compared to were more along the lines of a Beasley. Basically a super skilled, athletic combo F in line with a Josh Smith type. I haven't seen it thusfar. But, I started to look at Favors for what he is and what he could be. Amare? I don't know about that, he's not as explosive nor as offensively talented from what I've seen. What I did like was how he approaches the game. In high school it was clear he got by with his size and strength which is only average for a PF/C at the NBA level. However he's very comfortable with contact and indeed plays somewhat of a brutish game, unlike a sometimes "soft" Amare Stoudemire, and since he really plays more like a C it's a huge plus for any team that will play him there. More like Al Horford, Emeka Okafor, or Nene than he is Beasley or even Amare Stoudemire.

My only concern is how high his ceiling is. I'm not going to say the uber-hyped stud prospect is gone but I never really saw it at Georgia Tech. Was that because he was playing on an older more established team? I don't know, so I'm willing to let Petrie make the call, but worst case we get an athletic shotblocker/rebounder that can play both frontcourt positions. I'm very interested to see his measurements, I wonder if his measurements will be similar to that of Horford and Okafor???

im on the Favors at #3 bandwagon!!!!

Hearing nothing but great things about him and his game! I think his style of play and dedication will get along great with the rest of the guys. Favors is listed at 6'10 246, Al Horford is listed 6'10 245 basically identical size although Favors is very young and will add more bulk which can be great for his game or hurt his game only time will tell.

As for questions about Favors potential i say go back and watch the games there were flashes. He is a young kid and as we kings fans all know big men take time. At his age he is showing great things and imo he has tons of room to grow

I see Al Horford. Maybe a little bit undersized for his position but makes up for it with defensive skills and rebounding. I'm not sure he is quite the defensive player that Horford is but I also think that Favors has skills that make him a potentially more successful offensive player.

i dont know why

but i feel like saying this....

tyreke evans was compared to larry hughes.

hbhakta wrote:i dont know why

but i feel like saying this....

tyreke evans was compared to larry hughes.

Actually not too far off in terms of strengths and weaknesses. Of course there are some obvious differences most notably the ability to dominate the competition from a physical standpoint.

I don't see the similarities at all. Other than the fact that both came out as potential PG's. Hughes was seen as a big, shoot-first PG with lots of athleticism. Tyreke has been and still is noted first for his bull-strength and tremendous size advantage over both points and SG's. He is really more of something between LeBron and Kobe at this stage - bigger and stronger than anybody who matches up with him that has comparable speed (with only about two exceptions this past season), and able to finish in incredibly uncanny ways. You have to leave off the jumpshooting portion because neither player was much of a pure shooter their first two-three years in the league. I tend to ignore player comparisons and look more at how their team was when they were there and performing optimally (i.e. - healthy and with a healthy team around them). Also what are their true percentages for their position and overall. I feel like in college, these stats actually give truer measure of a players impact on the game.

I'm starting to climb aboard the Derrick Favors bandwagon as well.

I'll say it like this. At 2 I don't think you pick Favors over Turner. You may pick Turner and work a deal out to get Favors? However long term I think Favors may not only be the best fit but the BPA when we select. The Thing here is he can block shots, Play good to great defense eventually. He can make an impact on the game without taking 10+ shots a game. Scoring the rock is not our issue. While Evan Turner may end up being the more talented player Favors is a way better fit.

GT those guards couldn't shoot. Favors isn't going to be a guy that can score all night long in the post. He'll get a lot of points finishing around the hoop. I just see more of a CP3 Tyson Chandler connection with Favors and Reke.

10B10 wrote:I see Al Horford. Maybe a little bit undersized for his position but makes up for it with defensive skills and rebounding. I'm not sure he is quite the defensive player that Horford is but I also think that Favors has skills that make him a potentially more successful offensive player.

No Horford... Favors is more athletic and lacks the outside shot that Horford can hit from 18ft away. Favors is more of a raw product kind of like Amare/Howard were when they came into the league... he is still not fluid in the post, but he can learn and become a great post-player. I see Favors in his first couple of years using his athleticism the most when it comes to scoring... on the defensive end his is a strong and long guy, and will cause some problems until he leans how to become a great post-defender (which he has the potential to).

I can see him as a poor-man's Dwight Howard unless he exceeds expectations... cos I would love if he was Amare on offense and Dwight on defense...