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NBA Contraction/Kings Relocation
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 5:47 am
by ICMTM
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/1416 ... e-pay-cutsThe owners' ongoing talks about competitive balance, profitability and revenue sharing have included the notion of whether teams are operating in "the best available markets," the person said, and whether reducing the number of teams from the current 30 would help improve the product and the bottom line.
I'm all for that. Saying goodbye to the Grizzlies, Timberwolves, Bucks and Bobcats would save the league a few hundred million in needless salaries and improve the product dramatically. When the NBA had 23 teams in 1980-81, having multiple Hall of Famers on the same team was the norm. Back then, the Heat would've been nothing special. Today, they're a national spectacle covered 24 hours a day.
Billy Hunter, executive director of the National Basketball Players Association, was traveling Thursday and unavailable for comment. But typically, sports unions have resisted efforts to jettison teams because of the resulting job losses. For example, eliminating the two most revenue-challenged NBA teams would mean the loss of 30 player jobs, not to mention coaching and front-office positions. Based on gate-receipts data, the teams that have struggled the most in the past two years of the current CBA are Memphis, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Indiana, Atlanta and Charlotte. The Sacramento Kings are a clear candidate for relocation, given that their stalled efforts to build a new arena resulted in what Stern termed a "disappointing" update on that franchise's future at Arco Arena.
Isn't the paperwork to file for relocation due in like March?
Re: NBA Contraction/Kings Relocation
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 6:48 am
by Wolfay
There won't be any contraction, especially not the Kings, although relocation (God forbid) could happen.
Milwaukee and Memphis are the most likely candidates for contraction, but like I already said, contraction ain't happening.
Re: NBA Contraction/Kings Relocation
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 7:25 am
by RoyalCourtJestr
If you're gonna get rid of two teams, Bobcats and Griz IMHO. 28 teams, move NO back to the East.
I hope to God we don't move though. I'll cry.
Re: NBA Contraction/Kings Relocation
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 5:21 pm
by _SRV_
Wolfay wrote:Milwaukee and Memphis are the most likely candidates for contraction, but like I already said, contraction ain't happening.
There are also the other 4 listed who are in worse situation than Sacramento, but, if you look at teams like Indiana and Milwakee, they are in similar situation to Sac, team with a strong link to community and the troubles were magnified by 5-6 consecutive bad seasons.
Another way to increase the profit (other than improving the revenue) is decreasing the operation cost, and I think this is what the league should push for, if the Kings didn't have to pay KT and SAR the last few years they would've been in a much better financial state.
Re: NBA Contraction/Kings Relocation
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:34 pm
by ICMTM
KT was traded for...he's not to blame. If they would have just let CWebb expire or bought him out they would have been better off. I'm almost positive insurance payed for SAR's contract.
In any event the Kings are as good as gone:
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/ ... nto_arena/“My optimism on there being a new building (in Sacramento) has faded completely,” Stern said. “We really tried hard, the Maloofs spent a good deal of money…. And frankly it wasn’t meant to be. I don’t have any more good ideas. Where we flow on that, right now we have a season to worry about.”
Re: NBA Contraction/Kings Relocation
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:52 pm
by bjax24
What did stern do other than look at one possibility he's just trying to look like he's done anything and will probably screw us like he did Seattle. Can we get John Gotti's ghost to be commish? Anything would be better than this worthless liar.
Re: NBA Contraction/Kings Relocation
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:56 pm
by KF10
I wouldn't put too much stock into Stern's opinion about the arena situation in Sacramento. Quite frankly, Stern and his people haven't done squat in the last four years since they intervened. I wouldn't be surprised that this is his way to pressure Sacramento to broker a deal soon.
And in today's news, the Railroads has been sold to the Inland American Real Estate of Illinois. Maybe, the mayor could discuss a potential arena site there to the new owners of the railroad site?
Re: NBA Contraction/Kings Relocation
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:04 pm
by RoyalCourtJestr
I guess we just really have to hope for
A. A serious contender to arise out of this team in the next few years
B. That none of the possible relocation sites (San Jose, Anaheim are the only two realistic I see) don't get anywhere close to sealing the deal
C. A boon in the economy would help.
I agree that staying put in Sacramento makes the most sense NOW. In three years, unless those three happen, I could see them having a serious "OK, we're moving" talk.
I'll be a pessimist until something good happens. Being an optimist no longer feels sane.
Re: NBA Contraction/Kings Relocation
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:09 pm
by KF10
Here is the article about a potential discussion with the mayor and the executives of the Inland American Real Estate of Illinois about the arena.
http://www.sacbee.com/2010/10/22/312319 ... _Container
Re: NBA Contraction/Kings Relocation
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:25 pm
by sunsbum
I would absolutely listen to what stern is saying. From a guy that lived in seattle for the whole sonics debacle I can tell you, the tones are starting to sound the same.
Re: NBA Contraction/Kings Relocation
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:28 pm
by Wolfay
Stern is so full of crap. He's a lawyer, so I'm not surprised. There's no other feasible market for the Kings to relocate to, not right now anyway. The Maloofs are stuck with us.
Inland seems legit on redeveloping the area. They have almost $2 billion worth of asset acquisition value. I don't know if they have any intention on building an arena there, but they want to do something with the railyards.
Re: NBA Contraction/Kings Relocation
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:31 pm
by RussellandFlow
You should definitely put stock in to what the "evil one" aka Stern says. Seattle which has a much more storied history and a title to boot, in comparison to Sacramento lost their team, because they could not get a stadium deal done. The one saving grace SAC has is that your ownership group is awesome and wants to keep the team in the area, but if things do not improve then a move is definitely possible. The question is where would the Kings relocate? Vegas is NOT happening, but a place like St Louis could be possible. I hope the Kings remain in Sacramento, as when the Kings had consistent success ARCO was the toughest place to play and had the best crowd in all the NBA.
Re: NBA Contraction/Kings Relocation
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:31 pm
by SacKingZZZ
sunsbum wrote:I would absolutely listen to what stern is saying. From a guy that lived in seattle for the whole sonics debacle I can tell you, the tones are starting to sound the same.
And that's the general fear here. It's pretty much the same transpiring events all over again. The only difference is at least the Maloofs own the arena and there's not be "leasing" problem or whatever that was up there. All in all...I knew this was coming. Just hope that Kevin Johnson has something up his sleeve.
Re: NBA Contraction/Kings Relocation
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:49 pm
by SacKingZZZ
As for that other threads post saying the Kings will be sold, not happening. The Maloofs have stated many times they regretted the family selling the Rockets years ago and with how hard it was to get back into the NBA they will most likely never sell and plan on handing down the team to their nephews.
Once again here is the problem. If the Maloofs can't get an arena deal done the NBA will basically FORCE them to move. In fact, can't you see it now?
"The NBA basically forced us to do it! We didn't want to leave but the only alternative was to sell the team! Boo hoo, bah hah! Thanks for all the support over the years. As a token of our appreciation we'll leave the pacific division championship banner to our beloved 6th man and let it hang in ARCO, or whatever the hell it's called now, until the day the city condemns it! As another show of our affection we also bestow upon you, our former fans, that giant 6 on the lawn"
Oh yeah, life sucks...and then you die.
Re: NBA Contraction/Kings Relocation
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:53 pm
by KF10
I know one thing for sure, the Maloofs and his people will exhaust EVERY option possible to have the Kings stay in Sacramento. Be grateful to have passionate, genuine owners and an upbeat organization too. If it were lousy owners, the Kings would have moved years ago.
Re: NBA Contraction/Kings Relocation
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:06 pm
by pillwenney
Yeah, they won't be selling the team. Doesn't mean they won't be moving them, but the Maloofs won't be selling them.
Re: NBA Contraction/Kings Relocation
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:47 pm
by _SRV_
ICMTM wrote:KT was traded for...he's not to blame. If they would have just let CWebb expire or bought him out they would have been better off. I'm almost positive insurance payed for SAR's contract.
Traded for or signed, what difference does it make? He played here for at least 2 years when he wasn't needed. same goes for SAR who was paid until insurance kiced in and during the period he was paid by insurance he just took some cap away.
Re: NBA Contraction/Kings Relocation
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:18 am
by Det the Threat
mitchweber wrote:Yeah, they won't be selling the team. Doesn't mean they won't be moving them, but the Maloofs won't be selling them.
They've voted yes on the Sonics moving two years ago, cause they knew they could ask the same question within a couple years.
So yeah, you guys moving is a real possibility now, as this sounds more and more like the Sonics situation especially the language Stern uses right now.
Though, I hope you guys can somehow work things out and stay in SAC, cause long tenured teams moving really sucks and isn't good for the league.
Re: NBA Contraction/Kings Relocation
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 4:53 pm
by chriswebb86
antoekneeo wrote:You should definitely put stock in to what the "evil one" aka Stern says. Seattle which has a much more storied history and a title to boot, in comparison to Sacramento lost their team, because they could not get a stadium deal done. The one saving grace SAC has is that your ownership group is awesome and wants to keep the team in the area, but if things do not improve then a move is definitely possible. The question is where would the Kings relocate? Vegas is NOT happening, but a place like St Louis could be possible. I hope the Kings remain in Sacramento, as when the Kings had consistent success ARCO was the toughest place to play and had the best crowd in all the NBA.
Does St Louis have a new arena? In the end though, if the Kings choose to move, it will take a lot of money to get them to move. They owe 76 million dollars to the city of Sacramento.
Re: NBA Contraction/Kings Relocation
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 6:44 pm
by SacKingZZZ
From everything I've heard in bits and pieces, places like Kansas City and St. Louis are unlikely. They already have well established sports franchises and there are questions about how well another would do. OC getting a team is possible because LA is just so big and wide spread. My money is still on San Jose. That would be huge for them and that city could turn into what Sacramento could and should be.