Trade idea:Cousins/Landry/Dalembert for Bogut/Gooden

Post #1 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:17 am

Greetings Kings fans:

Bucks fan here that is reading about Cousins problems.

Would you guys trade Cousins, Dalembert and Landry for Bogut and Drew Gooden?

The salaries match up this year perfectly.

Any and all constructive comments would be appreciated.

Thanks

Website · Post #2 » by **Nicky Nix Nook** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:20 am

I really like Bogut. Most people here would say no I think, and Gooden's contract beyond sucks...but I am really tired of losing.

So that's a "I'd have to think hard and long about it."

SacKingZZZ · Post #3 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:22 am

No way, that's way too much to give up for Bogut and a terrible contract. I'm pretty sure a whole lot changes around Cousins before they change him out.

longfellow44 · Post #4 » by **longfellow44** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:23 am

No i wouldnt make that trade. Cousins has just as much potential as bogut if not more. Dalembert is a solid defensive center and landry is a talented bench player. Gooden was already on our roster and we cut him clearly we didnt want him and we certainly dont want him now that he has been overpayed. Bogut has also had a pretty serious injury. Im just not really willing to give up that much for bogut.

Maybe a cousins dalembert for bogut trade but certainly not with the inclusion of landry and gooden.

Post #5 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:25 am

Feel free to join in our thread on the topic.

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1071104&start=15

Keep the comments coming. I really liked Cousins coming out in the draft. Just wondering if his mental issues can be overcome or not.

Post #6 » by **KingInExile** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:38 am

paulpressey25 wrote:Feel free to join in our thread on the topic.

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1071104&start=15

Keep the comments coming. I really liked Cousins coming out in the draft. Just wondering if his mental issues can be overcome or not.

That's a bit of an unfair characterization...one that is getting dangerously blown out of proportion. There are no "mental issues". He's an immature kid that has to learn discipline. He has to grow up, learn not to let his emotions dictate his behavior and learn to listen to others.

I do find it interesting, though, that every time his name shows up on the wire tap with some negative-sounding story, the scavengers scurry from the wood works with low-ball "ideas" looking to "liberate the Kings from their problems". This is going down the path of a Ron Artest 2.0 experience (except Cousins is correctable).

ADoaN17 · Post #7 » by **ADoaN17** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:40 am

I rather not give up on Cousins this early.

Website · Post #8 » by **Nicky Nix Nook** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:45 am

Ok, sorry, my Kings Brothers have convinced me this is a bad idea...ESPECIALLY this early.

Post #9 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:50 am

Nicky Nix Nook wrote:Ok, sorry, my Kings Brothers have convinced me this is a bad idea...ESPECIALLY this early.

This trade isn't getting much traction on our board either. Which tells me it isn't entirely far-fetched from a value standpoint. Would be a big gamble though for both teams. You guys would have to bet on Bogut's health. We'd have to bet on Cousins maturing.

Website · Post #10 » by **Nicky Nix Nook** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:53 am

paulpressey25 wrote:
Nicky Nix Nook wrote:Ok, sorry, my Kings Brothers have convinced me this is a bad idea...ESPECIALLY this early.

This trade isn't getting much traction on our board either. Which tells me it isn't entirely far-fetched from a value standpoint. Would be a big gamble though for both teams. You guys would have to bet on Bogut's health. We'd have to bet on Cousins maturing.

Ya I agree. Also with the fact that Cousins, Dally for Bogut is much closer than adding Gooden and Landry.

Another thing is, you guys added so many vets this off-season, they would all be in their mid-late thirties by the time Cousins would be entering (hopefully) his prime. That doesn't make much sense.

Kind of off-topic, but are you guys happy with your team's direction. I must say, I think they would have been better off sitting on that cap-space and continuing to build. I know you made the playoffs last season, but Jennings and Bogut are your building blocks and they're still relatively young. I think a slower rebuild would have paid off better in the long run. Do you agree?

Post #11 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:56 am

Nicky Nix Nook wrote:Kind of off-topic, but are you guys happy with your team's direction.

No we aren't. We blew $99 million on four vets. Maggette, Salmons, Dooling and Gooden.

And all of them blow right now.

We needed to wait another year and see if Jennings and Bogut were true core pieces or not.

RIPskaterdude · Post #12 » by **RIPskaterdude** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:14 am

paulpressey25 wrote:
Nicky Nix Nook wrote:Kind of off-topic, but are you guys happy with your team's direction.

No we aren't. We blew $99 million on four vets. Maggette, Salmons, Dooling and Gooden.

And all of them blow right now.

We needed to wait another year and see if Jennings and Bogut were true core pieces or not.

It's too bad too, because I really enjoyed watching you guys in the playoffs...your team reminded me of the post-lockout Kings with a Vlade/White Chocolate feel to it. All you needed was a good PF, and yet you signed Gooden...

Ouch.

Post #13 » by **ICMTM** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:47 pm

Cousins will get it eventually I'm sure of that. The question to me is will he get it before he's no longer a King? He reminds me so much of Chris Webber it's not funny. The only person that I thought got through to Chris Webber was his father. Even still it took Webb three teams, getting kicked off Team USA, and being "banished" to Sacramento before he woke up. Even still when he got here he wasn't happy.

Hopefully for us the Kings can hold onto Cousins or at least get good value for him if we need to move him. We probably won't unless we take on someone else's issue(s)

boogie-reke · Post #14 » by **boogie-reke** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:59 pm

LEt's bring Cwebb whenever he can to talk and guide Cousins through this thing.

I mean everytime he can he talks on and on about Cousins, and him being close with the Kings obviusly i'm sure he won't mind in between the gigs he does at NBA TV.

This could be a very good solution.

PaKwAn · Post #15 » by **PaKwAn** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:39 pm

i would trade for bogut but sac is giving too much in this deal! but i would definitely prefer bogut over cuz!

dozencousins · Post #16 » by **dozencousins** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:45 pm

I like taking my chances on this trade with DENVER better !
KINGS trade BENO , GARCIA & LANDRY for MELO

My reasoning is from the KINGS perspective in reguards to LANDRY he is solid but we are overloaded at that position & that creates room plus he would command likely 9 -10 million annually . GARCIA is a solid vet but injury prone he has 3 more years after this year the 3rd being a team option ( again we are overloaded at the small forward & aquiring anthony would be yet another small forward anyways so we would need to rid ourselves of one .
Lastly BENO another solid vet but bottom line he is not our future point guard & he has 3 more years after this year & his 3rd year is a player option so if he is not our future then deal him .

Bottom line ANTHONY easily may not resign but if he didnt we solve alot of issues at different positions while gaining alot more cap space for big named free agents etc.
If we get really lucky & he sees playing with REKE , GREEN ,THOMPSON , COUSINS etc. as a real potential great team soon with adding his talents then we have yet another star & thus giving us an upper level to elite team .
Either way we gain as far as I see it .

Anyone else want to give thoughts to my line of thinking there ?
I feel its a good idea either way.....

PaKwAn · Post #17 » by **PaKwAn** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:51 pm

Thats just too bad of a deal for denver....

dozencousins · Post #18 » by **dozencousins** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:44 pm

PaKwAn wrote:Thats just too bad of a deal for denver....

Great deal for us though !

boogie-reke · Post #19 » by **boogie-reke** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:46 pm

That Denver deal is never going to happen

if they trade Melo they go on full rebuild mode, Gracia and Benos contracts + Landry half a season rental is not something Denver really need...it doesn't give them any real piece for thier rebuilding.

A more realistic trade would be JT, Omri, Landry and draft picks, but I doubt they'll accept that too.

But hey, as time goes by, their leverage is getting smaller.. you also need Melo to accept to move else Kings won't deal all of this for a rental, and I can't really see him moving to Sac.

Post #20 » by **ICMTM** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:25 pm

boogie-reke wrote:LEt's bring Cwebb whenever he can to talk and guide Cousins through this thing.

I mean everytime he can he talks on and on about Cousins, and him being close with the Kings obviusly i'm sure he won't mind in between the gigs he does at NBA TV.

This could be a very good solution.

I don't think that's a bad idea, but they brought in Cousins old HS coach for this reason. It doesn't seem to be working. Also DMC is at an age, especially in his hoops career, where he's been able to dictate what he wants to do. This is culture shock in some ways to him.

While I expect he will have growing pains I do expect that his attitude will be better. It's the pointing that's getting to me. It's the feeling of entitlement that I don't like. It's like the NBA owes him something. It's in his body language. If he can shake that he'll be ok.