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Just something I'd like to say.

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:10 am
by pacers33
I was thinking about this, and I was just wondering are the Maloofs serious?

I don't understand this move from Sacramento to Anaheim, because Anaheim isn't a basketball town and hasn't been craving a team like St. Louis or Kansas or Seattle are. Anaheim inhabitants always seem to cheer for a team in L.A, just like the Lakers. Plenty of those folk go to the games in the staples center, to see Blakeshow and Kobe perform night in and night out and seem to enjoy both forms of entertainment. I also don't see why'd you move the Kings to L.A. They have so much history, and that history is fresh on Kings and Laker fan's minds. Just seven years ago we whee in awe while the "Queens" where trying their best to beat the Lakers, and now you're moving them into L.A? What kind of fanbase would l.A have for a rival? How will they sell out? Does ditching Kings make them a different team? No.

My 2 cents.

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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:18 am
by RIPskaterdude
$$$.

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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:20 am
by pacers33
Well said?

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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:26 am
by SadKingsFan
!!!! But:

$$$$ >>>> Everything else

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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:17 pm
by KingInExile
Bottom line is that the Maloofs are whores. They could care less about basketball or about the community who has supported the team for 2 decades. They only care about the opportunity to tap the 2nd largest media market in the country and the ability to pimp their playboy lifestyle at their failing casino just a couple hours away in Vegas. This ain't about the game...it's all about the dollars and the bling.

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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:44 pm
by cdt3
Absolutely right....

The Maloofs put all their money in their casino at the beginning of the depression.

Vegas is dead now.

Sac is dead too financially but could absolutly support a cheaper Kings ticket base still like Utah does.

The Maloofs want to charge high dollar seats to get more money for them.

They can get those in Anaheim at least they think.

Their business sucks and they want Kings fans to mainain their playboy lifestyle and casino.

My estimation is their businesses are going down with their crazy spending and the economy in Vegas not improving for a decade within 3-5 years.

They were handed a huge business from their father and they are just terrible businessmen.

The Kings were the most stable small market franchise built under Geoff Petrie to be a fun team with good character and trust and great shooting and the same coach and style for almost a decade.

The Maloofs blew up the stable franchise idea. 6 different coaches in 6 years since with all different styles to coach Petrie style drafted players.

The Maloofs have created a mess everywhere in their own lifes in business and with the Kings with their lack of trust in others which causes instability.

Just ask Dan Snyder or the Clippers owner or the 49ers or Radiers. Bad ownership turns franchises from great ownership into crap.

The Maloofs are now one of them.

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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:32 pm
by stock01234
KingInExile wrote:This ain't about the game...it's all about the dollars and the bling.


Maloofs are businessman, ofcourse they give priority to profit/money than community. Now you tell me, if you are businessman and if you get $10 for your product in city A and same product will sell for $15 in city B which one would you choose? And to top it off, city B is giving you lease for your office whereas city A doesn't want to pay for it.

Tell me how many NBA arenas are built with owner's money??

I understand that sacramento's economy, maloofs private finances have made matters worse.


cdt3 wrote:The Kings were the most stable small market franchise built under Geoff Petrie to be a fun team with good character and trust and great shooting and the same coach and style for almost a decade.

The Maloofs blew up the stable franchise idea. 6 different coaches in 6 years since with all different styles to coach Petrie style drafted players.

Maloofs were committed to the city (atleast thats what they are saying) and hence waited here for 10 yrs for a feasible arena plan.. had they not been committed they would have moved in 2-3 yrs.. not 10 yrs..

now that their leaving is almost certain, the city and fans are trying hard to put a arena plan.. when was the last time such effort done?? the city didn't take them seriously before..

sure the team was destroyed by them for financial reasons.. no big flashy trades in couple years.. no FA signings.. giving away talent for financial considerations.. all is true.. but put yourself in their shoes.. even when they spent money, had one of the highest payrolls, had a contender team still sacramento didn't give them arena.. then what was the point in spending money behind players and coaches when city didn't even respect (arena wise) a contender team of glory days..

they would have thought.. lets give sacramento couple years for arena, we will try to save money till then.. and if nothing materialises.. we packup and move.. thats what is happening now.. I would give maloofs credit for giving city 10 yrs for a arena.. sonics were only given couple years..

i understand that if it weren't for maloofs financial crisis, may be they could have a team with 30-40W each season, but tell me what different it is from 15-20W team? and ofcourse they didn't want to build contender because their return on investment was not high compared to other cities :
small and out dated arena..
have to overpay FAs to bring them to sacto
near zero corporate bases..
no lucrative media money..

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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:48 pm
by Nicky Nix Nook
stock01234 wrote:
KingInExile wrote:This ain't about the game...it's all about the dollars and the bling.


Maloofs are businessman, ofcourse they give priority to profit/money than community. Now you tell me, if you are businessman and if you get $10 for your product in city A and same product will sell for $15 in city B which one would you choose? And to top it off, city B is giving you lease for your office whereas city A doesn't want to pay for it.

Tell me how many NBA arenas are built with owner's money??

I understand that sacramento's economy, maloofs private finances have made matters worse.


cdt3 wrote:The Kings were the most stable small market franchise built under Geoff Petrie to be a fun team with good character and trust and great shooting and the same coach and style for almost a decade.

The Maloofs blew up the stable franchise idea. 6 different coaches in 6 years since with all different styles to coach Petrie style drafted players.

Maloofs were committed to the city (atleast thats what they are saying) and hence waited here for 10 yrs for a feasible arena plan.. had they not been committed they would have moved in 2-3 yrs.. not 10 yrs..

now that their leaving is almost certain, the city and fans are trying hard to put a arena plan.. when was the last time such effort done?? the city didn't take them seriously before..

sure the team was destroyed by them for financial reasons.. no big flashy trades in couple years.. no FA signings.. giving away talent for financial considerations.. all is true.. but put yourself in their shoes.. even when they spent money, had one of the highest payrolls, had a contender team still sacramento didn't give them arena.. then what was the point in spending money behind players and coaches when city didn't even respect (arena wise) a contender team of glory days..

they would have thought.. lets give sacramento couple years for arena, we will try to save money till then.. and if nothing materialises.. we packup and move.. thats what is happening now.. I would give maloofs credit for giving city 10 yrs for a arena.. sonics were only given couple years..

i understand that if it weren't for maloofs financial crisis, may be they could have a team with 30-40W each season, but tell me what different it is from 15-20W team? and ofcourse they didn't want to build contender because their return on investment was not high compared to other cities :
small and out dated arena..
have to overpay FAs to bring them to sacto
near zero corporate bases..
no lucrative media money..


Grant Napear, is that you?

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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:50 pm
by 408Kings
If they're hurting for money, wouldn't the logical thinking be to sell the Kings and not the beer distributorship? I figure that that was constant money, whereas owning a sports franchise rarely ever leads to consistent profits year after year. Especially in a league that doesn't share much revenue, unlike the system the NFL uses.

Wonder if the Maloofs will still consider selling if the price is right?

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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:14 pm
by stock01234
Nicky Nix Nook wrote:Grant Napear, is that you?


i am just trying to say that maloofs are right on their part to move the team.. yes things could have been different if it were not for bad sacto economy and bad maloofs finances.. i honestly don't think they were not committed to the city.. otherwise they would have moved the kings right after 2001-02 season when they were at their peak and would have got fans almost immediately..

its sad to see the city lose the team.. but to blame maloofs 100% is not right, IMHO..

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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:14 pm
by Sparky6string
I'm no businessman but the moves the Maloofs have made seem foolish even to me, especially the ones noted here like selling the family beer distrubutorship and holding on to the Kings. The final chapter hasn't been written yet but if you're a Maloof it's probably time to be concerned anyway.

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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:22 pm
by stock01234
408Kings wrote:If they're hurting for money, wouldn't the logical thinking be to sell the Kings and not the beer distributorship? I figure that that was constant money, whereas owning a sports franchise rarely ever leads to consistent profits year after year. Especially in a league that doesn't share much revenue, unlike the system the NFL uses.

Wonder if the Maloofs will still consider selling if the price is right?


Sparky6string wrote:I'm no businessman but the moves the Maloofs have made seem foolish even to me, especially the ones noted here like selling the family beer distrubutorship and holding on to the Kings. The final chapter hasn't been written yet but if you're a Maloof it's probably time to be concerned anyway.



i read some article somewhere that said they were not interested in business because it had to by locally supervised to make more profitable.. and they were not getting much money out of it.. yes it was definitely profitable.. but like earning a dollar or two on 100-200$ investment.. anyways i don't know the exact numbers or any inside story so can't say for sure what compelled them to sell the distributorship..

regarding selling the kings.. you never know.. henri might become minority owner for couple years.. which will be maloofs some breathing time.. after that if situation don't change.. they sell their stake and move forward..

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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:50 pm
by OGSactownballer
The reality is that if they are really going down that hard they need to swallow their pride and sell the team. And realistically if the NBA as a GOVERNING BODY for their sport can take over one franchise (NOH) then they should step in and recognizing where this is headed take over this one as well!

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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:57 pm
by ADoaN17
this was posted on twitter forgot who posted it tho, its an overview about $$$
http://noobstacles92.blogspot.com/2011/ ... aphic.html

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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:23 pm
by 408Kings
Yeah saw that link the other day and does have some pretty valid points.

Orange County has an estimated population of 3,026,786, over twice that of Sacramento County (1,400,949). This means without even accounting for potential ticket prospects in San Diego County & the Inland Empire (which I assure you are more populous and prosperous than counties such as Yolo & Sutter, which neighbor Sacramento), relocation provides twice the sales prospects.


This is true to a point. How many already have ties or allegiances to the teams that are already there in SoCal? What would make the surrounding counties jump ship?

In addition to having more people than Sacramento, Orange County has people with more money. 13.3% of Sacramento residence are below the poverty line, while in Orange County, this number is 9.9% (significantly below the state average). Homeownership rate in Orange County is 3.2% greater , and median property values have a $130,000 advantage over Sacramento.


Great home ownership and median property values equates to higher mortgages, and in turn less money to spend on entertainment.

Here is another fun fact: a large portion of season ticket sales come from private companies who use them for such purposes as client entertainment and employee incentives.


Would have to agree with this, I mean there really aren't too many large private companies in Sac. When I travel for work, a lot of companies have tickets they just give away to their clients.

As for persons who purchase individual game tickets, in Orange County, residents spend approximately $2,000 more per year on entertainment than Sacramento residents...


Once again, how much of this $2000 is because of the price difference in cost of living?

I am however looking at this from an inside out (King's Fan's) point of view.

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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:28 pm
by pillwenney
Yeah, the pure numbers in terms of population are really irrelevant, since plenty of people won't jump ship to the Kings--especially not now.

The fact that Anaheim is richer is relevant, although the stat related to poverty line isn't, since nobody anywhere near the poverty line is going to games.

Yeah, companies selling tickets in that respect are going to help with sales. They'll be sh*tty fans though.

Last part is relevant. Basically the main relevant difference is that Anaheim was already a rich place, and Sac has been hit particularly hard by the economic collapse.

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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:36 am
by The Beam King
I get the whole dollars and cents of a move to Anaheim, I really do. However, one aspect I don't get is the 3 teams withint a 30 mile radius. That's gotta be bad for business in the long-term and over the long-haul for the NBA in both the dollars and cents(as the economy is bound to improve) and also from a marketing their brand stand point. Granting access to more people in more areas and not alienating an established, profound fanbase has got to be in the equation somewhere. I just don't think a 3rd NBA team in the greater LA area is good for business. It also sets the precendent for other small market teams like Memphis, NOH, and Milwaukee moving to cities like Chicago, NY and the Bay Area thus tapping more franchises into the same markets. Also, somewhere there has to be a deficit to teams like the Clippers and Lakers losing some money with more competition of the same product in town.

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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:46 am
by singlepurposeac
I don't know if the Anaheim move is smart, and in honesty I doubt any of us have enough inside knowledge of the finances and such to know either. Ultimately though, the Kings are the Maloof's property, and while loyalty is generally smart business, if they want to move to Anaheim or Timbucktoo it's up to them. If Sactown wants a team, they can always try to buy one. Given the city wouldn't shell out for a new arena, I doubt they have the cash to make a reasonable offer for the Kings though..

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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:51 am
by RIPskaterdude
KingInExile wrote:Bottom line is that the Maloofs are whores. They could care less about basketball or about the community who has supported the team for 2 decades. They only care about the opportunity to tap the 2nd largest media market in the country and the ability to pimp their playboy lifestyle at their failing casino just a couple hours away in Vegas. This ain't about the game...it's all about the dollars and the bling.


I finally agree with you on something, KIE! 8-)

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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:39 am
by ICMTM
Ticket sales don't pay the bills anyway, AND up until the Maloofs stopped fielding a competitive team people bought tickets here...like ALL of them so that point we can throw out the window.

The NHL Anaheim Ducks are in the bottom third in NHL attendance.
The MLB Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim are in the middle of the pack in MLB attendance.

The Lakers are barely in the top ten in attendance and the Clips are middle of the pack. Where is the evidence that a third NBA team and the 8th pro sports team in the region would work? The Los Angeles Galaxy will be watched more than the Kings if they move down there. Before you think I'm crazy look at the MLS attendance figures.

To further the point the Maloofs compete with nobody for concerts in Sacramento. They make ALL the revenue from the building on every event (not just basketball). While there is a larger pie there is bigger competition for those dollars. In Sacramento they are THE entertainment company when it comes to sports and concerts.