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#5 & Whiteside
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#12 & Millsap

Talking with Jazz fans on the trade board, and one of the Jazz fans came up with this.

Utah could look to trade Millsap in order to give Favors more playing time, and two picks in the top 6 would allow the Jazz to rebuild or make a play to trade for #1 overall

Sacramento would get a real starting quality post player for the pick swap and with Cousins & Dalembert meeting or exceeding expectations in most respects I don't think Whiteside is as big a loss as he might otherwise be.

Additionally, with the nature of this draft, I'm not sure that dropping from 5 to 12 is a huge deal since the quality of available players might not be all that different with the guys that look like they're opting to stay in school.

I'd be inclined to do it, but wanted to hear what other Kings fans thought of it.

I agree with the concept of 5/12being a toss up as to getting the better player and at 12 GP has his normal latitude to pick the guy that HE deems is going to be the best NBA player.

I think that getting Milsap puts us back into the same situation we were in with Carl - an under-HEIGHT PF who is not a starter on a contending team.

while I understand the Landry comparison, I'm inclined to believe that Millsap is a more developed player than Landry.

Additionally, I'm not sure if there's going to be a better value trade available the the Kings. If Sacramento makes this deal, there's still enough money left over to get one of the free agent players at another position (Wilson Chandler possibly) where as if the Kings were to trade the pick for Granger or Iggy as some have suggested, it's going to be much harder to upgrade at other positions.

OGSactownballer wrote:I agree with the concept of 5/12being a toss up as to getting the better player and at 12 GP has his normal latitude to pick the guy that HE deems is going to be the best NBA player.

I think that getting Milsap puts us back into the same situation we were in with Carl - an under-HEIGHT PF who is not a starter on a contending team.

Millsap is alot better than Landry, he may be undersized but why wouldn't he be a starting pf?

I'd pass. Milsap isn't what this team needs. I'm willing to take a fly on Upside any day over Milsap. Like the saying goes, you cant teach someone to be 7'0. And he already posses some serious defensive nightmares for other teams

Milsap just isnt that big of an upgrade over guys like Landry,Thompson,Dalembert, and he's not that great of a fit either.

I suppose you could say Whiteside is somewhat of a Dalambert insurance policy (in case of injury or if we can't resign him, for whatever reason).

I'm happy with our 3-man big rotation with Cousins and Dalembert starting and Thompson coming off of the bench. Jackson is a serviceable fourth big, and I don't know that upgrading him to Millsap won't screw up our chemistry like having Landry did. Predictable minutes are an important thing in this league, and having four guys who can each start, to the effect that if someone's having a bad night, they won't get a chance to work themselves back into the game, isn't good. Yes Thornton has been huge for us, but clarifying roles and minutes due to the loss of Landry has also contributed in a big way to our recent success.

I really think that we should stand pat with Evans, Thornton, Cousins, and Dalembert as four of our starters. Garcia isn't a weak-link at all, and in fact he works great with our starting 5, but he's the guy we can be ok with sending to the bench. Our priority this offseason after re-signing Thornton and Dalembert, should be a small forward and backup point guard. Greene and Casspi both flopped when given substantial opportunities this season, and guys like Wilson Chandler, Iguodala, or Granger would do wonders for us. Udrih has been swell also, but he's still a shoot-first kind of player. Jeter brings a different dynamic to the court when he's in, and if we can get another guy to do that who is more effective, we'll be on our way.

We're fine at the big man positions--look at our rebounding stats, offensive rebounding stats, and second-chance point stats. Thompson is more than good enough.

do we need another bigman? if thats the case i prefer not to trade our loto pick then draft kanter. but im happy with our 3 bigman rotation, if we add another bigman, cousins playing time will reduce and i dont like that to happen.

To me the deal in itself is a good deal. The problem isn't Millsap vs Thompson or that Millsap is Carl Landry 2.0 (I think he's better than both players anyway). The problem is that Sam Dalembert has played some really good ball this season. We knew he'd be good defensively and get boards. We didn't know he could get better at the offensive end. Sammy D's 10 points are far better than adding a different PF.

SacKingsPejaFan wrote:I'm happy with our 3-man big rotation with Cousins and Dalembert starting and Thompson coming off of the bench. Jackson is a serviceable fourth big, and I don't know that upgrading him to Millsap won't screw up our chemistry like having Landry did. Predictable minutes are an important thing in this league, and having four guys who can each start, to the effect that if someone's having a bad night, they won't get a chance to work themselves back into the game, isn't good. Yes Thornton has been huge for us, but clarifying roles and minutes due to the loss of Landry has also contributed in a big way to our recent success.

I really think that we should stand pat with Evans, Thornton, Cousins, and Dalembert as four of our starters. Garcia isn't a weak-link at all, and in fact he works great with our starting 5, but he's the guy we can be ok with sending to the bench. Our priority this offseason after re-signing Thornton and Dalembert, should be a small forward and backup point guard. Greene and Casspi both flopped when given substantial opportunities this season, and guys like Wilson Chandler, Iguodala, or Granger would do wonders for us. Udrih has been swell also, but he's still a shoot-first kind of player. Jeter brings a different dynamic to the court when he's in, and if we can get another guy to do that who is more effective, we'll be on our way.

We're fine at the big man positions--look at our rebounding stats, offensive rebounding stats, and second-chance point stats. Thompson is more than good enough.

dead on. We need to somehow get Granger, Deng, Iggy, Chandler, Gallo, JGreen, Ariza, maybe even Kirlenko, Prince, Battier. I still think that Tyreke, Thornton, and DMC are going to be the main scorers on this team. We need a major glue guy at SF. Someone with better D and a little bit more of a playmaker then Cisco. Omri and Donte are permanent bench guys that shouldnt ever get more then 18 min a game.

our big man rotation of DMC, Dally, JT is great. our backcourt rotation of Tyreke, Thornton, Beno is great too. They all play great together too. WE NEED GLUE!

I like the idea of upgrading at SF, but I wouldn't trade our pick to get it.
The Kings can sign one of the free agents (Chandler, Green, Battier)
Even if we get one of the lesser free agents and our pick or trade our pick for an upgrade elsewhere, it would be smarter than trading for one of the highest end SF.

Bac2Basics wrote:I like the idea of upgrading at SF, but I wouldn't trade our pick to get it.
The Kings can sign one of the free agents (Chandler, Green, Battier)
Even if we get one of the lesser free agents and our pick or trade our pick for an upgrade elsewhere, it would be smarter than trading for one of the highest end SF.

#1 the Kings REALLY need a guy like the clutch like Brandon Knight.

I think trading that PG pick is CRAZY.

You pick them no matter the height.

Beno is an excellent Bobby Jackson like off the bench part time when hot closer, but not good enough to win every game like a Brandon Knight (like a Mike Bibby)

Next of all regarding a 3 man big man rotation.

After the lockout season Thompson is expiring.

The Maloofs traded Sheldon Williams because they didn't want to pay 3rd big man $4million.

They are paying Dalembert $13 million. DMC will be getting big money.

JT shoots the same 50%, FG% as all the other best $10-15 million franchise big men in the game (Duncan/Bosh/Lebron/LAldridge/DLee/ARandolph).

There is no way Thompson resigns with the Maloofs unless the Maloofs pay up as a #1.

Look at Marcus Thornton. How much has changing teams for him got him a huge raise when he expires?

JT has to leave like David Lee did NY instead of staying with Amare (or Gortat with DHoward in Orlando) to a team that really needs a vet big man who can score and rebound and defend.

I just don't see him back after next year.

Donte (part time)/Whitehead/Jackson can likely get minutes as big men which also gets Casspi or any SF more minutes.

Even Hawes figured out this year how to rebound 10 per 36mins a game, Donte will learn too.

^^

It looks like you've got a lot to say, but I can't make out a specific stream of thought out of all those bits.

ya that was nonsense, not to mention almost every point you made was wrong.