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Kings / Nuggets for Al Harrington
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 10:53 pm
by City of Trees
Garcia
Greene
for
Al Harrington
2012 2nd or cash?
Why?
Garcia and Harrington are both the same age. Furthermore, both have similar contracts (Harrington is one yr longer, nothing drastic or cap killing). Harrington would give us front court shooting / veteran leadership for DMC/ JT. This trade also gives Casspi the Greene light
, pending no FA signing.
thoughts?
Re: Kings / Nuggets for Al Harrington
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 11:11 pm
by sackings916
No deal. Harrington is a bad contract whereas Garcia IMO is neutral, if the Kings are taking him on they should be the ones getting compensation so why are the Kings throwing in Donte? This also leaves the Kings extremely thin at the wing. If the Nuggets were willing to work a bigger deal with one of their SFs (Gallinari or Chandler) than the Kings could take on Harrington.
Casspi,Thompson,TPE for Gallinari+Harrington makes the Kings a much better shooting team and another playmaker in Gallinari.
Cousins/Dalembert/Whiteside
Dalembert/Harrington
Gallinari/Greene
Thornton/Garcia
Evans/Udrih
Re: Kings / Nuggets for Al Harrington
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 11:15 pm
by City of Trees
sackings916 wrote:No deal. Harrington is a bad contract whereas Garcia IMO is neutral,
They are about the same. Garcia cant even stay healthy. I disagree with you here.
Im not trying to make a huge trade for Gallinari. trying to keep our roster in tact , adding quality depth
Re: Kings / Nuggets for Al Harrington
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 11:18 pm
by sackings916
Evans Is King wrote:sackings916 wrote:No deal. Harrington is a bad contract whereas Garcia IMO is neutral,
They are about the same. Garcia cant even stay healthy. I disagree with you here.
Im not trying to make a huge trade for Gallinari. trying to keep our roster in tact , adding quality depth
Garcia and Harrington are about equal offensively maybe a slight edge to Harrington but with that comes terrible shot selection so it evens out. The difference is Garcia plays defense.
And Gallinari is going to be a beast. He makes plays off the dribble,shoots it and passes while being an adequate defender.
Re: Kings / Nuggets for Al Harrington
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 11:27 pm
by City of Trees
sackings916 wrote:Evans Is King wrote:sackings916 wrote:No deal. Harrington is a bad contract whereas Garcia IMO is neutral,
They are about the same. Garcia cant even stay healthy. I disagree with you here.
Im not trying to make a huge trade for Gallinari. trying to keep our roster in tact , adding quality depth
Garcia and Harrington are about equal offensively maybe a slight edge to Harrington but with that comes terrible shot selection so it evens out. The difference is Garcia plays defense.
And Gallinari is going to be a beast. He makes plays off the dribble,shoots it and passes while being an adequate defender.
The point of this trade was to trade an injury plagued back up for a back up PF who fills a need (front court shooting and leadership).
I hate to break it to you but JT/Casspi will not net Gallinari. Lets keep things simple in this thread?
As for contract Value
Garcia has missed 83 games in the past 2 years. Harrington has missed 19 games. I dont care how bad you make his shot selection out to be. The worst kind of contract is one you get NOTHING back for.
Re: Kings / Nuggets for Al Harrington
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 11:31 pm
by sackings916
Evans Is King wrote:
The point of this trade was to trade an injury plagued back up for a back up PF who fills a need (front court shooting and leadership).
I hate to break it to you but JT/Casspi will not net Gallinari. Lets keep things simple in this thread?
As for contract Value
Garcia has missed 83 games in the past 2 years. Harrington has missed 19 games. I dont care how bad you make his shot selection out to be. The worst kind of contract is one you get NOTHING back for.
I agree that Harrington does fill a need but the bench doesn't get any better as we lose both Garcia and Greene and lose out financially. The Kings dont get better with this trade.
And Garcia's fluke injury does not mean hes injury prone.
Re: Kings / Nuggets for Al Harrington
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 11:38 pm
by City of Trees
sackings916 wrote:Evans Is King wrote:
The point of this trade was to trade an injury plagued back up for a back up PF who fills a need (front court shooting and leadership).
I hate to break it to you but JT/Casspi will not net Gallinari. Lets keep things simple in this thread?
As for contract Value
Garcia has missed 83 games in the past 2 years. Harrington has missed 19 games. I dont care how bad you make his shot selection out to be. The worst kind of contract is one you get NOTHING back for.
I agree that Harrington does fill a need but the bench doesn't get any better as we lose both Garcia and Greene and
lose out financially. The Kings dont get better with this trade.
Salaries are almost identical until Garcia's last year where Garcia makes 6.4 and Harrington makes 7.1.
Harrington's deal goes one more year at 7.4. At that point he is an expiring and we can trade him. I dont see where is the need to get all upset financially. Its 700k!!!! geeeez
And Garcia's fluke injury does not mean hes injury prone.
The weight room was.. But he has had MANY others C'mon man!
Re: Kings / Nuggets for Al Harrington
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 11:43 pm
by sackings916
Evans Is King wrote:Salaries are almost identical until Garcia's last year where Garcia makes 6.4 and Harrington makes 7.1.
Harrington's deal goes one more year at 7.4. At that point he is an expiring and we can trade him. I dont see where is the need to get all upset financially. Its 700k!!!! geeeez
And Garcia's fluke injury does not mean hes injury prone.
The weight room was.. But he has had MANY others C'mon man!
You might want to look at the salaries again. Its actually closer to $15M guaranteed, not 700k.
And Garcia's injuries are more bad luck than anything. Again the trade doesn't make any sense for Sac on the court or financially.
Re: Kings / Nuggets for Al Harrington
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 11:51 pm
by City of Trees
Unless there is something im not aware of here is their salaries... Where is the ADDITIONAL 15 mil?
Garcia
2011
$5,500,000
2012
$5,800,000
2013
$6,100,000
2014
$6,400,000
Harrington
2011
$5,765,000
2012
$6,226,200
2013
$6,687,400
2014
$7,148,600
2015
$7,609,800
Re: Kings / Nuggets for Al Harrington
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 11:55 pm
by City of Trees
Not to mention in the trade we shed Donte Greene's salary so take his salary off the books too
$930,700
$1,679,913
$2,503,070
Re: Kings / Nuggets for Al Harrington
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 11:57 pm
by sackings916
Garcia's last year is unguaranteed, so is Donte's 2.5
Re: Kings / Nuggets for Al Harrington
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 11:59 pm
by The Rebel
Harrington is only partially guaranteed the last 2 years as well.
Re: Kings / Nuggets for Al Harrington
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 12:16 am
by City of Trees
The Rebel wrote:Harrington is only partially guaranteed the last 2 years as well.
Ah -Ha
Re: Kings / Nuggets for Al Harrington
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 12:22 am
by sackings916
Hoopshype didnt have that info on their site. It still costs the Kings a lot more and doesn't make them any better.
Re: Kings / Nuggets for Al Harrington
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 12:28 am
by City of Trees
IMO it does make the team better in the long run. It gives DMC/ JT a fresh face Vet to learn from. Garcia can help only so much when its not his position.
Re: Kings / Nuggets for Al Harrington
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 1:08 am
by pillwenney
Going to a chucker like Al Harrington for veteran leadership seems like a bad idea.
Re: Kings / Nuggets for Al Harrington
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 1:12 am
by City of Trees
pillwenney wrote:Going to a chucker like Al Harrington for veteran leadership seems like a bad idea.
Best argument I've heard so far.
Re: Kings / Nuggets for Al Harrington
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 1:29 am
by sackings916
sackings916 wrote:Garcia and Harrington are about equal offensively maybe a slight edge to Harrington but with that comes terrible shot selection so it evens out. The difference is Garcia plays defense.
Re: Kings / Nuggets for Al Harrington
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 2:51 am
by City of Trees
sackings916 wrote:sackings916 wrote:Garcia and Harrington are about equal offensively maybe a slight edge to Harrington but with that comes terrible shot selection so it evens out. The difference is Garcia plays defense.
I took this as you were against this trade because Garcia is a better defender. You made a good case as well. However a player with Harrington's skills would be ideal.
Re: Kings / Nuggets for Al Harrington
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:19 am
by SacKingZZZ
I actually liked what I saw from Harrington when he was backing up the 4 this year. I wouldn't mind it if equal salary was going back the other way.