Should have hired Jerry Sloan.

tatertotsnjuice · Post #1 » by **tatertotsnjuice** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:37 am

You guys need some type of offense put into place. It looks as if the Kings are not even running plays. Why no pick and role with Evans/Jimmer and Cousins? Or players coming off screens and shooting?

It's too late for Sloan but a flex UCLA type offense with screens and pick and roles would be a great offense and structure for this team. Hopefully some type offensive scheme will be created shortly.

Good Luck.

kevin44 · Post #2 » by **kevin44** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:42 pm

Sloan or any other top coach won't come here. This franchise is a mess. Bad owners, no coach, no arena, & a bunch of immature selfish players.

SacKingZZZ · Post #3 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:23 pm

Apparently not true. After Westphal got the ax Voisin at the Sac bee said Sloan was very intrigued by the Kings young talent and may want to get back into coaching. Then Smart was hired. Right now wouldn't be the time to hire that next "guy". Too many issues right now and no time to fix them apparently. It probably just kill any potential fresh start. If Smart is in the NBA as a coach he has to have some type of idea of how to play.

SacKingZZZ · Post #4 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:25 pm

tatertotsnjuice wrote:You guys need some type of offense put into place. It looks as if the Kings are not even running plays. Why no pick and role with Evans/Jimmer and Cousins? Or players coming off screens and shooting?

It's too late for Sloan but a flex UCLA type offense with screens and pick and roles would be a great offense and structure for this team. Hopefully some type offensive scheme will be created shortly.

Good Luck.

I still don't know about the pick and roll, but Sloan has used that motion offense and UCLA cuts better than most coaches and that's how this team was supposed to play and still can. I'm starting to get even more convinced that last years turn around was Coach Carril's doing.

Post #5 » by **pillwenney** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:29 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:Apparently not true. After Westphal got the ax Voisin at the Sac bee said Sloan was very intrigued by the Kings young talent and may want to get back into coaching. Then Smart was hired. Right now wouldn't be the time to hire that next "guy". Too many issues right now and no time to fix them apparently. It probably just kill any potential fresh start. If Smart is in the NBA as a coach he has to have some type of idea of how to play.

To be fair, one has to really wonder if that's just Voison bullsh*t. I'd like for it to not be, but I don't know.

boogie-reke · Post #6 » by **boogie-reke** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:09 am

iirc Sam Amick said it aswell.

I still hope we'll pick him up starting next season though.

408Kings · Post #7 » by **408Kings** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:19 am

That would be the best decision these goofball owners could ever make. We fired Adelman, and then went on a run of cheap and fairly unseasoned coaches (with exception of P dubs) to get us ZERO playoff appearances.

Hire Sloan, put a high quality product on the floor, and the money will come flowing back.

dozencousins · Post #8 » by **dozencousins** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:54 am

I am not saying we will or will not get Sloan if Coach Smart doesnt work but one thing is certain Sloan does not like to coach in big markets . I had heard that Sloans wife has some sort of ties to the Sacramento area . I do not know fully to what extent . I will say if Smart did not work out and the Maloofs likely were to agree to pay him and allow him to have full control of things that he would strongly consider being here .

The thing I find most amazing if you look at our roster we have not only enough young talent but we have a deep enough bench that if we had a clear vision of who's a strarter , who's our role players etc. not to mention the fact were not really running plays , we havent played much pick & roll , setting screens & doing the dirty work like going after loose balls etc. It's a true shame we have a very talented team and we are not only not using our roster properly , we dont have a clear enough vision .

We must consoladate talent . We have to many small forwards and not a single one is really producing that much at all . We have guys standing around with their heads up their @sses alot . To many players playing street ball . Their should be guys constanmtly moving without the ball . If you dont make your opponents defense work then we will lose almost every time . Its great that Hayes has taking the pride and initiative to be a leader and call a team meeting , study game film etc. but we need to have more than just him lead . We need 1 maybe 2 more guys step up and be heard and be a leader . The team right now is not even close to being a unit . The guys need to take care of the ball , take alot more pride in being team not individuals . Yes I believe we have a realistic chance at Sloan if Smart does not work out . I for one would be elated to have him as our coach . I do like Smart and think he is trying far harder than Westy and taking pride in this team though we are still losing . I like his effort so far .

deadenddude · Post #9 » by **deadenddude** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:55 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:
tatertotsnjuice wrote:You guys need some type of offense put into place. It looks as if the Kings are not even running plays. Why no pick and role with Evans/Jimmer and Cousins? Or players coming off screens and shooting?

It's too late for Sloan but a flex UCLA type offense with screens and pick and roles would be a great offense and structure for this team. Hopefully some type offensive scheme will be created shortly.

Good Luck.

I still don't know about the pick and roll, but Sloan has used that motion offense and UCLA cuts better than most coaches and that's how this team was supposed to play and still can. I'm starting to get even more convinced that last years turn around was Coach Carril's doing.

I always scratch my head when i see folks talk about the "turn around" at the end of last season. After the all star break they went 10 and 17.

Post #10 » by **KF10** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:10 am

deadenddude wrote:I always scratch my head when i see folks talk about the "turn around" at the end of last season. After the all star break they went 10 and 17.

They won 10 games in the last 27 games (.37% winning % = 30 games in a 82 games span)

They won 14 games in the first 55 games (.25% winning % = 20 games in a 82 games span)

The Kings were on pace to win 20 games before the all star break. Which is flat out horrible. They manage to win 10 games in ONLY 27 games. Which translates to 30 games in a 82 game span. And they faced a difficult schedule to boot!

I'm not too sure about you but that's clearly a turnaround for a young, struggling team.

Post #11 » by **pillwenney** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:54 am

IIRC, the team was above .500 in games where both Tyreke and Marcus played last year. Can't be bothered to go double check that though.

deadenddude · Post #12 » by **deadenddude** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:15 am

KF10 wrote:
deadenddude wrote:I always scratch my head when i see folks talk about the "turn around" at the end of last season. After the all star break they went 10 and 17.

They won 10 games in the last 27 games (.37% winning % = 30 games in a 82 games span)

They won 14 games in the first 55 games (.25% winning % = 20 games in a 82 games span)

The Kings were on pace to win 20 games before the all star break. Which is flat out horrible. They manage to win 10 games in ONLY 27 games. Which translates to 30 games in a 82 game span. And they faced a difficult schedule to boot!

I'm not too sure about you but that's clearly a turnaround for a young, struggling team.

It's an improvement yes, but I just can't go as far as to call it a turnaround. Turnaround, to me at least, implies going from a losing team to a winning team, not just losing a little bit less than you used to.

VeeJay24 · Post #13 » by **VeeJay24** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:40 pm

it's amazing, a guy gets thrust in an almost no win situation and people are already calling for Sloan.

Of course there is no offense; they don't have no practice time. They have had one practice since Smart has taken over. If you want to blame someone blame Petrie and the Maloofs for not firing Westphal before the season started.

And I don't get this fascination with Sloan; don't get me wrong he is and was a good Coach but his style has not produce any championships and may be a detriment to today's athlete; more importantly our players. Have you all forgot what happened in Utah. Coaches are a plenty; I'd rather match a coach to the players we have then players to a coach. The Kings don't need to be starting over. If the Kings are going to pay for a superstar coach; let's get one that has won a championship. I mean is Sloan that much better than Tomjanovich.

I have already seen improvement from the team since Smart took over but it is a process. I think some of you guys expected too much from this team and have to temper your expectations.

Let's wait and see what happens; this is a work in progress.....

Post #14 » by **pillwenney** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:15 pm

Yes, I'd say Sloan is absolutely better than Tomjanovich. The argument that what he does doesn't produce championships seems unfair. You could say the same thing about Adelman, but lord knows we'd like to have him back.

SadKingsFan · Post #15 » by **SadKingsFan** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:23 pm

*Sigh* i guess...

blind prophet · Post #16 » by **blind prophet** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:18 am

We still may, even if smart exceeds expectations, I am hoping to get a seasoned quality coach in town after this season.

Smart is cheap, and can not be worse than PW was.

SacKingsPejaFan · Post #17 » by **SacKingsPejaFan** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:15 am

If Sloan is interested, you give them man the job. I don't care.

kevin44 · Post #18 » by **kevin44** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:46 pm

No way Sloan comes here. The last thing he wants to deal with is a couple of punks (Evans & Cousins). Don't forget why he left Utah in the first place. At his age I can only see him going to a top elite team that can not only make the playoffs, but actually win some playoff games.

artest420 · Post #19 » by **artest420** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:50 pm

Rick Adelman when he watches the Kings and sees the bullet he dodged.

SacKingZZZ · Post #20 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:32 pm

artest420 wrote:Rick Adelman when he watches the Kings and sees the bullet he dodged.

You do understand that Rick Adelman is still one of the highest paid coaches in the league right? He already proved in going to Minnesota that he'll take a nice big bite out of that bullet if the price is right. :lol:

Next year is when the Kings need to look towards investing in the right guy to fill that coaches seat, not now. Sucks though because Adelman would be perfect for this team. :-?

Hey I wonder if you could trade coaches? Smart seems like a better fit for them and would probably relish having a PG like Rubio and putting the trio of Beasley, Williams, and Love out on the floor at the same time, whereas Rick would be netting this team 26 apg running offense through Cousins and Hayes.