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We all know that we woul like to finally aquire a small forward that is very solid overall & one whom we can depend on . On both sides of the floor . Batum would be nice of course .
Personally outside of a blockbuster deal of getting D.Williams I dont see us aquiring a point guard though if I had to pick 2 other guys that we have an outside chance at I would say Calderon & Felton & a slimmer chance at Augustine ( though I feel Augustine can be had I just dont see it ) .
I like most everyone would love to pull off a deal for D12 . I unlike alot of others would gladly take the risk of banking on he resigning . I see a D12 trade doing many things for us .

1. If D12 was traded to us I think their is a great chance D.Williams opts out of N.J. & signs with us instead of the other teams rumored .
2. Even if D.Williams never was a King pairing D12 with Cousins I think would excite both players creating a newer version of the twin towers ( ala sampson & olajowan )
3. Worst case scenerio D12 does not resign as long as we pull off a deal were Salmons is dealt hopefully with Hickson I would risk dealing any of our young talent not named DMC or Isiah at this point to get him .
I also see us that if we can aquire a big named player such as D12 , D.Williams or another that can & would draw alot of attention to us would only greatly increase our chances of the team staying increasing the odds of a yes vote .

I see the greatest chance of getting traded on our team is Garcia , Hickson possibly J.T. , Donte & I doubt but hope Salmons . Jimmer , Reke could be dealt but IMO it would have tp be part of a blockbuster type deal .
As mentione the above players I can see most as possibilities to aquire .
Other than that I can see us trading for expirings .
Maybe we can trade Hickson back to Clevland for Gibson & the #1 pick back we owe them ?

I dont want to see us trade for a starting SF and here is why:

So far Im liking the 3 guard Line up... Playing Evans at the 3 shows his strengths and helps some weaknesses. If we can play Miami with Evans at the 3, we can play any team with Evans at the 3.. I for one do not believe Evans is a point guard. He is a SG/SF with PG skills.

Kings should keep experimenting with this 3 guard line up, we may just have something!

Other players I would be interested in is trading JJ or Outlaw. Obviously small deals.

I don't think Garcia gets moved, I know some around here hate to hear it, but he is important for this team. No, it wouldn't destroy this teams future if he was gone but he's also making a considerable sum and hasn't got a real chance to play the last 3 years. I'm hoping he is the replacement for Salmons moving forward because he fills some big time needs and can be that corner 3, hustle, defense guy.

I'm super interested to see what happens with Wilson Chandler. Read a report that there are 6 teams interested in him and I have no doubts that Petrie is in that pack the way Salmons has totally bombed for him. Same reports said Toronto was ahead in that race, then just read one that said they don't have enough room most likely, and looking at their salary, they don't. They'd have to shed at least 2 million IMO. I think Chandler will get around 9-10 million a year and the Kings are the only team right now that can offer that kind of deal straight up, assuming the Nuggets aren't interested at that price which is questionable because they'd be nudging up at the tax limit at that point.

As for trades, JT, Donte, and Hickson are without question all the most likely because of their contract situations. I still stand on my wanting to see Petrie call the Blazers about Batum and start with Hickson, working his way up to JT, if that can even get it done at this point. I think JT will get some decent offers in FA and I don't see it being worth it for the Kings paying him anything close to the MLE unless that SF spot is already solved. I guess the draft will also decide some things because if the Kings nab a player like Sullinger then clearly JT isn't going to be back anyway, rather get something now than nothing going into a potentially decent big man draft.

Evans Is King wrote:I dont want to see us trade for a starting SF and here is why:

So far Im liking the 3 guard Line up... Playing Evans at the 3 shows his strengths and helps some weaknesses. If we can play Miami with Evans at the 3, we can play any team with Evans at the 3.. I for one do not believe Evans is a point guard. He is a SG/SF with PG skills.

Kings should keep experimenting with this 3 guard line up, we may just have something!

Other players I would be interested in is trading JJ or Outlaw. Obviously small deals.

It also exposes some weaknesses though. The Pistons just hammered the Kings in the post with size on the perimeter in that game.

PG? Thomas himself hasn't been used as much more of a PG than Tyreke. Both can find guys moving off the ball, but Thomas has been killing teams with one on one offense and spread shooting. That's why he's been so great, those are the things this team needs and he hasn't really taken ball out of any of the best players hands.

Thomas is good because he'll be just as good as a starter or off the bench. I don't think this team is going to be any more successful with him as a starter or as a reserve because his greatest asset has been his energy. The Kings need that size long term, the Kings are too small on the perimeter with that lineup, teams will start to do what the Pistons did.

dozencousins wrote:We all know that we woul like to finally aquire a small forward that is very solid overall & one whom we can depend on . On both sides of the floor . Batum would be nice of course .
Personally outside of a blockbuster deal of getting D.Williams I dont see us aquiring a point guard though if I had to pick 2 other guys that we have an outside chance at I would say Calderon & Felton & a slimmer chance at Augustine ( though I feel Augustine can be had I just dont see it ) .
I like most everyone would love to pull off a deal for D12 . I unlike alot of others would gladly take the risk of banking on he resigning . I see a D12 trade doing many things for us .

1. If D12 was traded to us I think their is a great chance D.Williams opts out of N.J. & signs with us instead of the other teams rumored .
2. Even if D.Williams never was a King pairing D12 with Cousins I think would excite both players creating a newer version of the twin towers ( ala sampson & olajowan )
3. Worst case scenerio D12 does not resign as long as we pull off a deal were Salmons is dealt hopefully with Hickson I would risk dealing any of our young talent not named DMC or Isiah at this point to get him .
I also see us that if we can aquire a big named player such as D12 , D.Williams or another that can & would draw alot of attention to us would only greatly increase our chances of the team staying increasing the odds of a yes vote .

I see the greatest chance of getting traded on our team is Garcia , Hickson possibly J.T. , Donte & I doubt but hope Salmons . Jimmer , Reke could be dealt but IMO it would have tp be part of a blockbuster type deal .
As mentione the above players I can see most as possibilities to aquire .
Other than that I can see us trading for expirings .
Maybe we can trade Hickson back to Clevland for Gibson & the #1 pick back we owe them ?

The best chance on D12 is that he just doesn't re-sign. The Kings probably wouldn't be able to keep Cousins and Reke in a deal for him, and no way do you do that if your the Kings. Not a big fan of Williams myself. Good player but his usage is too high for my liking. A lot of clock goes off with the ball in his hands. If the idea was to acquire a "PG", you call the C's and see if they'll still do Reke for Rondo. Personally, I wouldn't be 100% against it, but I'd hate to see the Kings move Reke right now.

No real reason to try and get back that #1 pick. It's locked tight for at least the next couple of years and with all the youth the Kings already have, losing out on a 12th-13th pick in 3 years means nothing, because if the Kings really need that pick by then, things are fubar'd anyway. After seeing Tristan Thompson the other day, they probably don't want JJ back, and really don't need him.

SacKingZZZ wrote:

dozencousins wrote:We all know that we woul like to finally aquire a small forward that is very solid overall & one whom we can depend on . On both sides of the floor . Batum would be nice of course .
Personally outside of a blockbuster deal of getting D.Williams I dont see us aquiring a point guard though if I had to pick 2 other guys that we have an outside chance at I would say Calderon & Felton & a slimmer chance at Augustine ( though I feel Augustine can be had I just dont see it ) .
I like most everyone would love to pull off a deal for D12 . I unlike alot of others would gladly take the risk of banking on he resigning . I see a D12 trade doing many things for us .

1. If D12 was traded to us I think their is a great chance D.Williams opts out of N.J. & signs with us instead of the other teams rumored .
2. Even if D.Williams never was a King pairing D12 with Cousins I think would excite both players creating a newer version of the twin towers ( ala sampson & olajowan )
3. Worst case scenerio D12 does not resign as long as we pull off a deal were Salmons is dealt hopefully with Hickson I would risk dealing any of our young talent not named DMC or Isiah at this point to get him .
I also see us that if we can aquire a big named player such as D12 , D.Williams or another that can & would draw alot of attention to us would only greatly increase our chances of the team staying increasing the odds of a yes vote .

I see the greatest chance of getting traded on our team is Garcia , Hickson possibly J.T. , Donte & I doubt but hope Salmons . Jimmer , Reke could be dealt but IMO it would have tp be part of a blockbuster type deal .
As mentione the above players I can see most as possibilities to aquire .
Other than that I can see us trading for expirings .
Maybe we can trade Hickson back to Clevland for Gibson & the #1 pick back we owe them ?

The best chance on D12 is that he just doesn't re-sign. The Kings probably wouldn't be able to keep Cousins and Reke in a deal for him, and no way do you do that if your the Kings. Not a big fan of Williams myself. Good player but his usage is too high for my liking. A lot of clock goes off with the ball in his hands. If the idea was to acquire a "PG", you call the C's and see if they'll still do Reke for Rondo. Personally, I wouldn't be 100% against it, but I'd hate to see the Kings move Reke right now.

No real reason to try and get back that #1 pick. It's locked tight for at least the next couple of years and with all the youth the Kings already have, losing out on a 12th-13th pick in 3 years means nothing, because if the Kings really need that pick by then, things are fubar'd anyway. After seeing Tristan Thompson the other day, they probably don't want JJ back, and really don't need him.

Well I agree mostly as staed in my 1st post getting D12 or D.WILLIAMS are both long shots with D12 a longer shot however I can see it being at least slightly possible .
Anyways I am very happy with I.Thomas & I am not convinced we really need a point guard & if so that guy should only have a year or 2 remaining under contract hence Calderon though I am not a fan of his really . Nothing personel against him though .

The Wilson Chandler situation you mentioned I can see that being very possible howeve I must say we have a $hitload of small forwards & or guys who can easily play that position . Yes I agree Chandler would be far better than any small forward we have right now . If we got him we better trade at least 2 of our current small forwards .

Lastly what would concern me though about Chandler is simular to my concern when we got Salmons and that is in Chandler he is another guy who is a scorer that could pose a team problem if we have Chandler , Reke , I. Thomas , Thorton & DMC all scorers and that i snot even mentioning J.T. who shoots a bit and Salmons when playing likes to score & lets not forget Jimmer a scorer .
I am conflicted a bit .

I cant imagine any trade scenario where the Kings do not receive negative value back in return for Salmons... Beno>Salmons, B. Knight>Jimmer... GP needs to admit his mistake and amnesty Salmons in the off season.

SacKingZZZ wrote:It also exposes some weaknesses though. The Pistons just hammered the Kings in the post with size on the perimeter in that game.

PG? Thomas himself hasn't been used as much more of a PG than Tyreke. Both can find guys moving off the ball, but Thomas has been killing teams with one on one offense and spread shooting. That's why he's been so great, those are the things this team needs and he hasn't really taken ball out of any of the best players hands.

Thomas is good because he'll be just as good as a starter or off the bench. I don't think this team is going to be any more successful with him as a starter or as a reserve because his greatest asset has been his energy. The Kings need that size long term, the Kings are too small on the perimeter with that lineup, teams will start to do what the Pistons did.

Agree with most of this. Personally, I don't think you can start a 1-3 combination of Thomas/Thornton/Evans and be successful long term. You're giving up size at all 3 positions for one. For two, the argument for moving Evans to the 3 (or the 2) was to get a real PG in there; can't say I totally agree with this but the fact is that Thomas is only slightly more PG than Evans is--and that slightly comes with him being more of a leader.

Second of all, I'm still not sold on Thomas. Just like Norris Cole & Shumpert this year and countless others before them, he'll almost certainly fall off when teams figure out how to play him. Not only that but his percentages aren't even close to sustainable longterm. He's currently shooting 51%/45%/93%. Off the bench he was shooting 38%/33%/81%. His best year in college was 45%/35%/72%. I'm more inclined to believe that, assuming he starts from here on out, his end of the season numbers will be a whole lot closer to his current bench numbers than his current starting numbers.

Lastly, I've said it many times before and I'll say it again now: Thornton should be coming off the bench. He's an undersized 2-guard with weak defense and an allergy to passing. Next to Evans (be it with him at the 1, the 2, or the 3) we need shooting, defense, and passing (i.e. not a chucker). Thornton brings one of those 2 things to the table and his lack of the other two (specifically his defense) is killing us in more ways than one. While Thornton is a very talented player, his skillset is designed more for a bench role than a starter's role.

Personally I'd like to see a 2nd unit backcourt of Thomas and Thornton (along with Garcia at the 3) and a starting backcourt of Evans and two other people that we currently don't have. Wilson Chandler? An in-shape Raymond Felton? Nic Batum? A draftee (Kidd-Gilchrist, Lamb, etc.)? All viable options.

Unless we can find some idiot to take Hickson and Salmons I dunno if we will trade this year.

rpa has a point. It's nice to see underrated players blossom when given a chance - it happened with Thornton last season and with Thomas this season. But you have to be realistic and accept the fact that they're both undersized and more offensive-minded players, Thornton especially. Tyreke should be a SG. Now, that either leaves you with the option of starting Thomas at the PG and using Marcus as a sixth man, or trading Marcus for a PG (Augustine for instance) and benching Thomas.
It would be great if Wilson Chandler signed with this team. Don't think Dwight would want to come here.
The team also needs to find a better PF and look to dump Salmons, Hickson and Garcia somewhere.
There are really a lot of possible scenarios.

No team will want to take on Salmons unless we are taking back an equally bad player/contract. Amnesty is what we the fans hope for because it's not our money.

Thomas has shown us what a real point guard can do with this team, but just like Bobby Jackson he SHOULD be a high usage spark off the bench. I LOVE Tyreke, but the key to the Kings' success is unleashing Demarcus Cousins.

Here's a deadline suggestion:
SAC Out: Evans, Jimmer, JJ Hick, Salmons
SAC In: Rondo, Okafor

NO Out: Okafor
NO In: JJ Hickson, Jimmer, Salmons

BOS Out: Rondo
BOS In: Evans

Rondo/IT
Thornton/Garcia
Greene/Garcia
Cousins/Hayes
Okafor/JT

We will kill you with our defense, but we sure better get a shooter at the 3 soon... and we're out of money.

Wow...we look worst on paper then^

It will be really tough trading for a D12 or Deron when we don't have a 1st rounder to trade. If we did, would Dwight want to re-sign with us? He wants to play in a big market with another star(s). We're not a big market but does DMC & Reke > D-Will?

As for Wilson Chandler, I say we try and get him. Yes, the draft is deep, but there's no telling what the player will contribute next season. So we go out and get a more proven player.

To be honest....I don't see us making any trades this season. Not sure why, but I really don't think we do anything until the offseason.

Yeah, despite the rather desperate need for consolidation so we do not become the Blazers, I agree with Skate. The Maloof's are broke. We will be lucky if they do not torpedo the arena deal because of their insolvency. My sincere hope is that when it comes down to points, Stern steps in and pulls a NOH on them and Burkle snaps up the team. Until then, no amnesty or taking on of salary will happen.

If the FA period was any indication, the Maloofs were looking to add about 12-13 million in salary if they'd have signed both Crawford and AK, so.... don't be surprised if they were OK with adding some salary.

SK, that's a false indicator.

They did not do anything to sweeten the deals for those guys (as a small market without a contending team, an absolute necessity) and therefore is was a forgone conclusion that they were not coming here.

I liken it to eating to bang the really hot chick at the club, buying her drinks all night and dancing with her for hours, then going to the bathroom right before last call and coming back to find her dancing the last dance with a better looking, better dressed guy and afresh drink in her hand and watching her leave hanging on his arm. They DID NOT CLOSE THE DEAL! And without that, it was all just a lot of BS to make the yokels quiet down.

Eh, I don't know about that. We offered Crawford the most $$$ out of the 3 teams that wanted him, he just decided to take less so he could play for a playoff team.

andrew bogut anyone?

bibby1023 wrote:andrew bogut anyone?

I'd move Tyreke for Bogut.

Cousins/Bogut frontcourt with Hayes/Thompson off the bench is a VERY good frontcourt with little weaknesses for the next 4-6 years.