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True Veteran Leadership

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:33 pm
by PetrieUnderstudy
Our current veteran "leaders" are Chuck Hayes, John Salmons, and Francisco Garcia. Role players at best. I was reviewing the free agents available this summer. If the Maloofs are willing to spend the money and the players are willing to come to Sacramento I'd target Kevin Garnett and Jason Terry. Both have rings, they play defense, and are older proven veterans that can turn the culture around. Offer them both 2 year contracts with a 3rd year team option. I'd say give Garnett $10-11 per and Terry $7-8 per.

Realistically land #3 pick and take Michael Kidd-Gilchrist.

Guaranteed playoffs roster

PG Jason Terry/Isaiah Thomas/Jimmer Fredette
SG Tyreke Evans/Marcus Thornton/Francisco Garcia
SF John Salmons/Terrence Williams/Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
PF Kevin Garnett/Chuck Hayes/Travis Outlaw
C Demarcus Cousins/Jason Thompson/Hassan Whiteside

Re: True Veteran Leadership

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:49 pm
by king125
did the Maloofs sell the team???? You just added over 20 million of salary to the roster. There is a 0% chance this would ever happen.

Re: True Veteran Leadership

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:43 pm
by ADoaN17
Nor would they come to Sacramento.

Re: True Veteran Leadership

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:31 pm
by SacKingZZZ
I think this last season is a testament to the fact that sometimes "veteran leadership" can be a tad overrated. If you're coach, or system, or roster just doesn't make sense in many of it's aspects there is no amount of leadership that can change that. The leadership this organization is having most of it's problems with is from the top on down. The Maloofs, to Petrie, to Smart. This is their chance to correct a lot of that however. In the next two years it should all start to make some sense on paper and if it doesn't on the court, then you have more serious questions to ask.

I do think they'll go after shooters, guys that come to mind are indeed Terry, Foye, and possibly Crawford again. I think they are going to go after Terry hardcore. KG would be interesting but I think he stays where he's at for cheaper and also you have to wonder about clogging cap with a player so far advanced in his career with this team so young. No matter what, this team goes where Demarcus Cousins will take it, so if you're going to hope for anything, hope for development.

Re: True Veteran Leadership

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:26 am
by pillwenney
SacKingZZZ wrote:I think this last season is a testament to the fact that sometimes "veteran leadership" can be a tad overrated. If you're coach, or system, or roster just doesn't make sense in many of it's aspects there is no amount of leadership that can change that. The leadership this organization is having most of it's problems with is from the top on down. The Maloofs, to Petrie, to Smart. This is their chance to correct a lot of that however. In the next two years it should all start to make some sense on paper and if it doesn't on the court, then you have more serious questions to ask.

I do think they'll go after shooters, guys that come to mind are indeed Terry, Foye, and possibly Crawford again. I think they are going to go after Terry hardcore. KG would be interesting but I think he stays where he's at for cheaper and also you have to wonder about clogging cap with a player so far advanced in his career with this team so young. No matter what, this team goes where Demarcus Cousins will take it, so if you're going to hope for anything, hope for development.


But a major factor in this is veteran leadership. I don't think it's overrated at all. You hear guys like Barkley talk all the time about how important this can be--especially for guys with behavioral issues like Demarcus.

The problem with guys like Hayes and Salmons is the same as the problem has been with Cisco. The leader has to be a better player. It has to be someone the young guys admire and respect. Chuck Hayes does things right and he's a true professional, but he also hasn't accomplished crap in this league. It would be one thing if maybe he had championship experience (like say, Derrick Fisher), but he doesn't. He's just a guy that behaves well that's been in the league a little bit longer than others.

KG is probably totally unrealistic, but he is the type of guy we should look for. Someone like that would be a huge help for us.

Re: True Veteran Leadership

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:11 am
by PetrieUnderstudy
pillwenney wrote:KG is probably totally unrealistic, but he is the type of guy we should look for. Someone like that would be a huge help for us.


I agree it may not be realistic because KG probably wouldn't want to come to Sac but he is the exact type of guy we need. He would be great for Cousins and a perfect compliment. Our defense would improve with his addition alone.

I brought up Jason Terry because of his friendship with Isaiah. He seems to be a good guy and I heard him in an interview during Kings game versus the Mavs and he thought the Kings were a talented young group.

With the young guys continued growth couldn't KG and Jet see their additions to the team as potential making them contenders? A lot like KG and Allen did for the Celtics 4 years ago. I think other than Pierce that Celtic team was less talented than the Kings. Both KG and Jet are possibly on the oldest teams in the NBA going no where fast. The youthfulness of the Kings could give them the fountain of youth for one last title push.

Re: True Veteran Leadership

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:23 am
by SacKingZZZ
pillwenney wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:I think this last season is a testament to the fact that sometimes "veteran leadership" can be a tad overrated. If you're coach, or system, or roster just doesn't make sense in many of it's aspects there is no amount of leadership that can change that. The leadership this organization is having most of it's problems with is from the top on down. The Maloofs, to Petrie, to Smart. This is their chance to correct a lot of that however. In the next two years it should all start to make some sense on paper and if it doesn't on the court, then you have more serious questions to ask.

I do think they'll go after shooters, guys that come to mind are indeed Terry, Foye, and possibly Crawford again. I think they are going to go after Terry hardcore. KG would be interesting but I think he stays where he's at for cheaper and also you have to wonder about clogging cap with a player so far advanced in his career with this team so young. No matter what, this team goes where Demarcus Cousins will take it, so if you're going to hope for anything, hope for development.


But a major factor in this is veteran leadership. I don't think it's overrated at all. You hear guys like Barkley talk all the time about how important this can be--especially for guys with behavioral issues like Demarcus.

The problem with guys like Hayes and Salmons is the same as the problem has been with Cisco. The leader has to be a better player. It has to be someone the young guys admire and respect. Chuck Hayes does things right and he's a true professional, but he also hasn't accomplished crap in this league. It would be one thing if maybe he had championship experience (like say, Derrick Fisher), but he doesn't. He's just a guy that behaves well that's been in the league a little bit longer than others.

KG is probably totally unrealistic, but he is the type of guy we should look for. Someone like that would be a huge help for us.



I've also heard Barkley say quite a many thing that don't really give me all the confidence in the world to trust his opinion without question. What worked for Barkley, worked for Barkly, different people respond to different things. My opinion is that leadership is going to have to come from an even more important position. If they want to look for leadership, seek out Phil Jackson, he might be the kind of "leader" a team like this can look at as a quick fix if you're looking at resume first. I'm not saying veteran leaders aren't important, but if there are extenuating circumstances with the team or franchise as a whole, it will not make up for it in the long run.