With the #5 pick in the RealGm user mock draft..?

nugzin2040 · Post #1 » by **nugzin2040** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 3:19 am

1. Hornets Anthony Davis PF (Kentucky)
2. Bobcats Thomas Robinson PF (Kansas)
3. Wizards Bradley Beal SG (Florida)
4. Cavs Michael Kidd-Gilchrist SF (Kentucky)
5. Kings ???

ADoaN17 · Post #2 » by **ADoaN17** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 4:38 am

I have the Wizards taking MKD and Cavs with Beal. Wizards have plenty of chuckers and need that all around guy from MKD.

Post #3 » by **pillwenney** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 5:15 am

Given those options, I'm going Drummond right now.

YC42Balla · Post #4 » by **YC42Balla** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 5:31 am

I like Barnes.

dozencousins · Post #5 » by **dozencousins** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 5:39 am

Drummond

Cruel_Ruin · Post #6 » by **Cruel_Ruin** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 5:49 am

I'd say Drummond over Barnes

Post #7 » by **KF10** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 7:49 am

I take Drummond. I like Barnes but in this case, big over small applies here.

RekeHavoc · Post #8 » by **RekeHavoc** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 8:40 am

I don't think Drummond would fit well with Cousins. Cousins would have to play PF and guard perimeter players sometimes. I went with Barnes, I think he'd be a good compliment to our team.

Post #9 » by **KF10** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 8:59 am

We need some type of shotblocker that can protect the paint. Barnes is not at the level where he can improve a team's defense, Drummond can with his defensive game.

Our defense was absolutely HORRIBLE last season. People can talk about the other holes about this team all they want but the Kings' defense was DEAD LAST in almost every D categories. For God's sake, we let a team score 92 points in the paint last season! A NBA record! Enough is enough, coming into the draft and FA, I expect the Kings fix this problem as soon as possible. Drafting Drummond is the first step into the right direction.

Post #10 » by **KF10** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 9:01 am

RekeHavoc wrote:I don't think Drummond would fit well with Cousins. Cousins would have to play PF and guard perimeter players sometimes. I went with Barnes, I think he'd be a good compliment to our team.

Does Cousins/Dalembert rings any bells?

When we started those guys in the frontcourt, that team's defense >> this year's team defense. Cousins will be fine at PF with a defensive/shotblocking big paired next to him.

RekeHavoc · Post #11 » by **RekeHavoc** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 12:46 pm

KF10 wrote:We need some type of shotblocker that can protect the paint. Barnes is not at the level where he can improve a team's defense, Drummond can with his defensive game.

Our defense was absolutely HORRIBLE last season. People can talk about the other holes about this team all they want but the Kings' defense was DEAD LAST in almost every D categories. For God's sake, we let a team score 92 points in the paint last season! A NBA record! Enough is enough, coming into the draft and FA, I expect the Kings fix this problem as soon as possible. Drafting Drummond is the first step into the right direction.

Drummond's defense and rebounding aren't actually that good though. If you watched him play you'd know that. His shotblocking is decent but so was Hasheem Thabeet's and he hasn't done anything in the NBA and probably never will. Drummond could be Dwight Howard or he could be Thabeet. You just don't know. You can find rebounding and shotblocking PFs without wasting the #5 pick on a guy who could be a total bust and waste of a pick.

perezident · Post #12 » by **perezident** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 6:11 pm

My mind tells me that Perry Jones III should be our pick at 5 but I voted for Barnes. I like Drummond but I think we desperately need some major talent at the 3.

Perry Jones to me is the better pick on paper and the thought of the mismatches he could provide if he's able to get it together. Already, I believe he's better than Donte' and has a much higher ceiling than he does. Jones' length and high octane offensive abilities/possibilities are great.

Barnes though to me is more NBA ready now but he also can turn out to be Marvin Williams. So basically this is a tough pick, either you go with the better prospect with All Star potential in P3 or the NBA ready, 3 1/2 year contribution then disappear guy in Barnes lol.....

The Beam King · Post #13 » by **The Beam King** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 6:57 pm

KF10 wrote:
RekeHavoc wrote:I don't think Drummond would fit well with Cousins. Cousins would have to play PF and guard perimeter players sometimes. I went with Barnes, I think he'd be a good compliment to our team.

Does Cousins/Dalembert rings any bells?

When we started those guys in the frontcourt, that team's defense >> this year's team defense. Cousins will be fine at PF with a defensive/shotblocking big paired next to him.

You're assuming Drummond has any skills like Dalembert, which he doesn't. He's just sheer raw potential at this point. He's more Hasheem Thabust than even a rookie Dalembert. I think Hassan Whiteside will be a better player than Andre Drummond.

Give me the sure thing, give me Barnes or Robinson.

Silver Man · Post #14 » by **Silver Man** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 7:09 pm

Andre Drummond.

bibby1023 · Post #15 » by **bibby1023** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 7:33 pm

At this point in time, with the players left i'll take Drummond, this could change in the next 3 weeks before the draft.

Cruel_Ruin · Post #16 » by **Cruel_Ruin** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 8:19 pm

BOOGIE-MONSTER wrote:
KF10 wrote:
RekeHavoc wrote:I don't think Drummond would fit well with Cousins. Cousins would have to play PF and guard perimeter players sometimes. I went with Barnes, I think he'd be a good compliment to our team.

Does Cousins/Dalembert rings any bells?

When we started those guys in the frontcourt, that team's defense >> this year's team defense. Cousins will be fine at PF with a defensive/shotblocking big paired next to him.

You're assuming Drummond has any skills like Dalembert, which he doesn't. He's just sheer raw potential at this point. He's more Hasheem Thabust than even a rookie Dalembert. I think Hassan Whiteside will be a better player than Andre Drummond.

Give me the sure thing, give me Barnes or Robinson.

From what I've read and the limited game film I've seen, Drummond is a solid defender RIGHT NOW. Hedges well on pick and rolls, makes good rotations, and has great defensive instincts. Its his offense thats raw as hell.

He sounds like Greg Oden type prospect on defense. Thats somebody who can come in and contribute immediately, even if its only at a roleplayer type level.

Post #17 » by **KF10** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 10:33 pm

RekeHavoc wrote:
Drummond's defense and rebounding aren't actually that good though. If you watched him play you'd know that. His shotblocking is decent but so was Hasheem Thabeet's and he hasn't done anything in the NBA and probably never will. Drummond could be Dwight Howard or he could be Thabeet. You just don't know. You can find rebounding and shotblocking PFs without wasting the #5 pick on a guy who could be a total bust and waste of a pick.

Drummond's defensive rebounding numbers are a tad disappointing, I give you that. But his offensive rebounding is good.

His shotblocking has been real solid. Not just that, his defensive game is enough to change the make up of this team. His instincts on defense, especially at P&R are top notch.

Thabeet isn't much of a defensive player other than his shot blocking. He doesn't have good instincts and gets pushed off the block too easily. Too slow to do anything in the perimeter with the P&R. You have to remember that Thabeet entered the draft as a Junior (and rumors that he was overage) and Drummond is 18 years old coming into the draft.

Post #18 » by **KF10** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 10:41 pm

BOOGIE-MONSTER wrote:
KF10 wrote:
RekeHavoc wrote:I don't think Drummond would fit well with Cousins. Cousins would have to play PF and guard perimeter players sometimes. I went with Barnes, I think he'd be a good compliment to our team.

Does Cousins/Dalembert rings any bells?

When we started those guys in the frontcourt, that team's defense >> this year's team defense. Cousins will be fine at PF with a defensive/shotblocking big paired next to him.

You're assuming Drummond has any skills like Dalembert, which he doesn't. He's just sheer raw potential at this point. He's more Hasheem Thabust than even a rookie Dalembert. I think Hassan Whiteside will be a better player than Andre Drummond.

Give me the sure thing, give me Barnes or Robinson.

Thabeet is a vastly different player than Drummond. For starters, Thabeet is very slow and his only decent attribute on defense is his shot blocking. The rest of his defensive game is poor. He is not quick enough to defend the P&R, not a good M2M defender, gets pushed way too easily off the block, not a good at rotations etc. Drummond is a way more complete defender than Thabeet ever will be.

Drummond can contribute on a team's defense from day one. You can't say that about with many rookies.

Post #19 » by **pillwenney** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 10:52 pm

RekeHavoc wrote:
KF10 wrote:We need some type of shotblocker that can protect the paint. Barnes is not at the level where he can improve a team's defense, Drummond can with his defensive game.

Our defense was absolutely HORRIBLE last season. People can talk about the other holes about this team all they want but the Kings' defense was DEAD LAST in almost every D categories. For God's sake, we let a team score 92 points in the paint last season! A NBA record! Enough is enough, coming into the draft and FA, I expect the Kings fix this problem as soon as possible. Drafting Drummond is the first step into the right direction.

Drummond's defense and rebounding aren't actually that good though. If you watched him play you'd know that. His shotblocking is decent but so was Hasheem Thabeet's and he hasn't done anything in the NBA and probably never will. Drummond could be Dwight Howard or he could be Thabeet. You just don't know. You can find rebounding and shotblocking PFs without wasting the #5 pick on a guy who could be a total bust and waste of a pick.

Not very many. Not good ones. Not one that could be as good as Andre Drummond.

By contrast, you can find a ton of players that can do what Barnes does. Barnes is more of a sure thing, but if we want a SF that can simply defend and make open shots, we might as well trade down.

I'm not super high on Drummond, but if we're forced to keep our pick in this scenario, we might as well swing for the fences.

Post #20 » by **pillwenney** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 10:54 pm

perezident wrote:My mind tells me that Perry Jones III should be our pick at 5 but I voted for Barnes. I like Drummond but I think we desperately need some major talent at the 3.

Perry Jones to me is the better pick on paper and the thought of the mismatches he could provide if he's able to get it together. Already, I believe he's better than Donte' and has a much higher ceiling than he does. Jones' length and high octane offensive abilities/possibilities are great.

Barnes though to me is more NBA ready now but he also can turn out to be Marvin Williams. So basically this is a tough pick, either you go with the better prospect with All Star potential in P3 or the NBA ready, 3 1/2 year contribution then disappear guy in Barnes lol.....

Ugh...I really don't like Perry Jones at all. The fact that, with his abilities, he didn't dominate in college is very disturbing.

Who will the Kings select?