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Are you guys panning to re-sign Donte and if so how much do you guys think his market value is. Do you guys think he would fit in Denver's fast pace offense. I know he is pretty athletic and can run the floor but how is his defense?

I think he would amazing in a place like GSW, Phoenix or Denver. He would be a great 7th or 8th man off the bench.

It's a work in progress, but his defense is improving gradually each year - IMO. He's long enough, and quick enough to really wreak havoc on the defensive end.

Here's a youtube clip of him defending Kobe in a key moment of the game.(Kings came out with the victory; He played D on Kobe for most of that game).

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_E21comxlo[/youtube]

He'd be really good in Denver. He just isn't consistent enough to get excited about. If Donte had any kind of motivation or desire he'd be a starter. I think he goes elsewhere and the Kings move on.

Donte could be much better than he is. Maybe a change of scenery would do him well. He could be a really interesting 3/4 player, but he doesn't seem to have the drive.

I don't know if we're going to re-sign him. I'd guess we'll extend the QO an leave it at that, and if anyone signs him to a somewhat competitive offer sheet, we'll let him go.

He'd be a really solid stretch 4. Good defender, but just not the shooter the Kings needed at SF.

Donte's been thrown all around just like Evans. He's been an SG, SF and PF. It hasn't helped him, so I think that his value is really low.

He can't shoot three pointers, but he loves to chuck them. Get this: Donte shot over 50% from inside the arc this season (over 47% in the past three seasons. I'm shocked because that's REALLY good.), but he took and missed so many threes that his overall FG% dropped to .404. If he could shoot threes, he would have been starting for the Kings a long time ago.

He noticeably improved his rebounding a lot last year, but that's probably because he only got minutes at PF. He boxed out a lot, which is good.

He's worth keeping around now that I think about it.

Same with Jason Thompson. Correct me if im wrong but wasnt JT's first start at SF??? The development of our picks outside of Cousins has been poor.

teerfour+40LG wrote:Donte's been thrown all around just like Evans. He's been an SG, SF and PF. It hasn't helped him...

He's had golden opportunities to be the teams SF, and he hasn't taken it.

SacKingZZZ wrote:He'd be a really solid stretch 4. Good defender, but just not the shooter the Kings needed at SF.

Which is precisely why he doesn't work as a stretch 4. That and he would only work there if he were playing with an elite rebounder.

I sincerely hope that I will only have to watch Donte Greene play 2 or 4 times, if that, for next year, and all the years to come.

Kings fans have been making excuses for him since the begining of time, it's like a wierd fetish wanting to see him make it big cause of his 'potential' while turning a blind eye on the fact that he kinda sucks - HE failed, HE didn't deserve a starting spot. no one else.

Still think he could be a valuable bench player getting spoty minutes. Especially against a guy like Durante or Gay. If they can keep at a good rate I say bring him back.

VeeJay24 wrote:Still think he could be a valuable bench player getting spoty minutes. Especially against a guy like Durante or Gay. If they can keep at a good rate I say bring him back.

Durante Vs. Donte, haha!

pillwenney wrote:

teerfour+40LG wrote:Donte's been thrown all around just like Evans. He's been an SG, SF and PF. It hasn't helped him...

He's had golden opportunities to be the teams SF, and he hasn't taken it.

SacKingZZZ wrote:He'd be a really solid stretch 4. Good defender, but just not the shooter the Kings needed at SF.

Which is precisely why he doesn't work as a stretch 4. That and he would only work there if he were playing with an elite rebounder.

Stretch 4's are asked to do a lot less in the area of shooting than a SF. Donte looks good when driving to the rim at PF, at SF he's just not fast enough. When he's asked to create jumpshots he's also not nearly as good although he's not a great spot shooter, he's better than he is off the dribble.

Stretch 4's absolutely need to be able to shoot well. They need to be a threat a the 3 point line. Donte really isn't. No team is going to be like "Agh! We can't help in the post! We might leave Donte Greene open from 3!"

The frustrating thing is, I don't think he's a bad shooter. I think his inconsistent shooting is really about him not keeping his focus or his intensity. If he could do that well enough to maintain a consistent shot, I'd like him at both spots, but more so at SF (since again, he's a rebounding liability at PF). He'll never be really great driving at SF, but if he could maintain his focus enough to consistently shoot well and defend on the perimeter like we know he can, he'd really be an ideal SF for us. Unfortunately that looks unlikely.

Donte's shooting and ballhandling just isn't where it needs to be. Unless he improves in those areas he'll never be a real threat on the floor.

pillwenney wrote:Stretch 4's absolutely need to be able to shoot well. They need to be a threat a the 3 point line. Donte really isn't. No team is going to be like "Agh! We can't help in the post! We might leave Donte Greene open from 3!"

The frustrating thing is, I don't think he's a bad shooter. I think his inconsistent shooting is really about him not keeping his focus or his intensity. If he could do that well enough to maintain a consistent shot, I'd like him at both spots, but more so at SF (since again, he's a rebounding liability at PF). He'll never be really great driving at SF, but if he could maintain his focus enough to consistently shoot well and defend on the perimeter like we know he can, he'd really be an ideal SF for us. Unfortunately that looks unlikely.

It's relative, seen many "good" shooters at PF that if they were SF's they'd be below average. And a player can be a stretch big and not shoot 3's. They're role is to spread the floor and many do it from the elbow or inside the 3 point line. I think Donte could be more effective at the 3 point line as a spot shooter in time, he got it rolling for awhile there last year when they played him at the 4. Still, he has played a lot of SF and ended up creating shots that shouldn't have been taken most likely. I also don't think it's a coincidence that after just about any game where Donte has sparked some interest it's been a game where he played most of his minutes at PF.

SacKingZZZ wrote:

pillwenney wrote:Stretch 4's absolutely need to be able to shoot well. They need to be a threat a the 3 point line. Donte really isn't. No team is going to be like "Agh! We can't help in the post! We might leave Donte Greene open from 3!"

The frustrating thing is, I don't think he's a bad shooter. I think his inconsistent shooting is really about him not keeping his focus or his intensity. If he could do that well enough to maintain a consistent shot, I'd like him at both spots, but more so at SF (since again, he's a rebounding liability at PF). He'll never be really great driving at SF, but if he could maintain his focus enough to consistently shoot well and defend on the perimeter like we know he can, he'd really be an ideal SF for us. Unfortunately that looks unlikely.

It's relative, seen many "good" shooters at PF that if they were SF's they'd be below average. And a player can be a stretch big and not shoot 3's. They're role is to spread the floor and many do it from the elbow or inside the 3 point line. I think Donte could be more effective at the 3 point line as a spot shooter in time, he got it rolling for awhile there last year when they played him at the 4. Still, he has played a lot of SF and ended up creating shots that shouldn't have been taken most likely. I also don't think it's a coincidence that after just about any game where Donte has sparked some interest it's been a game where he played most of his minutes at PF.

That's simply not true. The games where he sparked the most interest were before this past year, and they were when he had hot shooting games, or played especially great perimeter D.

I agree that, if asked to create at SF, he's not going to do the right thing very often. But that's why you don't ask him to create.

As for the first part, you have a pretty loose definition of stretch 4 then. Most would think of it as Ryan Anderson, Rashard Lewis, Matt Bonner, Steve Novak, Troy Murphy. Many PFs can make mid-range jumpers. The distinction of a stretch 4 is usually considered to go out to the 3 point line.

First game where he ever showed much of anything was when he played against and defended Amare a few years back, then he went zipping right back to SF because those were the only minutes he could consistently find with this team. If you recall I was pretty high on Donte coming out of Syracuse, as a combo F. Not at SF, but a combo who plays PF the majority of the time. He can play SF at times for a team not so desperate for shooting and only in need of length and defense. That is not this team.

I agree Donte is better at PF where he has the quickness advantage. If he could shoot he'd be a solid contributor off the bench. I don't see the Kings bringing him back. Outlaw being brought in I think showed how much faith they have in Donte. With Outlaw on the books and Terrence Williams probably coming back I don't see any more opportunities for Donte here.

SacKingZZZ wrote:First game where he ever showed much of anything was when he played against and defended Amare a few years back, then he went zipping right back to SF because those were the only minutes he could consistently find with this team. If you recall I was pretty high on Donte coming out of Syracuse, as a combo F. Not at SF, but a combo who plays PF the majority of the time. He can play SF at times for a team not so desperate for shooting and only in need of length and defense. That is not this team.

I don't think that's true at all, and I think most here will agree with me. Donte has more than anything, consistently shown to be a good perimeter defender over the years against guys like Lebron and Kobe. He's still not consistently strong there, but it's the thing that stands out more than anything else.

And really, you keep talking about how he played a lot more PF this year, but are we under some kind of impression that Donte was actually good for us this year? Because he wasn't. He was at his best his sophomore year, where he started several games on the wings.

This is all kind of moot anyway though, because if his shot doesn't get more consistent, then he's not a rotation player in the NBA on a team with any kind of success. That's the bottom line.