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Hi guys, Celtics fan here.
So Cousins is killing your locker room.
Unfortunately it seems like the only way to improve the taste in this brats mouth is to move him to a veteran squad where he can
a) win immediately
b)learn some manners from veterans who he'll respect.
It basically seems like you guys have no hope of curing this guys problems, there is just no culture of professionalism in Sac town anymore which sucks.
I don't know how accurate articles like this are but I'd like your take...
http://www.sbnation.com/2012/12/24/3799 ... suspension

Chris Sheridan has also suggested that you guys trade Cousins, get what you can and move on for now.

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/12/22 ... s-cousins/

Do you guys agree with this?
What would it take to satisfy Kings fans trade wise?

The Celtics can give you some solid young pieces, picks and also take back an overpaid guy if needed.
You may not know much about them, but Avery Bradley and Jarred Sullinger are both very solid young prospects. The problem is that you have a logjam at the PF and guard spots, but these two kids probably outshine any youngins you've got on your roster other than Robinson and Thomas.

Does your management hang up the phone on;
Sullinger
Bradley
Fab Melo
First Round pick

For
Cousins
Honeycutt.

Obviously in all Cousins trades it's hard to match salaries because he's only making 3.8 million a year.

Are you guys sick of him?
Do you think he'd get better under a Doc Rivers system with Garnett, Pierce, Rondo and Terry showing him some discipline?
Or is he just not worth the Celtics time and effort?

Dude this didn't deserve a thread,go to the Cousins thread and discuss trades there.This is pure speculation by a bad reporter.Sheridan said this summer that Dwight would be a Nets or Knicks he was wrong.

Cashin out wrote:Dude this didn't deserve a thread,go to the Cousins thread and discuss trades there.This is pure speculation by a bad reporter.Sheridan said this summer that Dwight would be a Nets or Knicks he was wrong.

Obviously it's speculation, that's why I'm asking would you do it?
It's obviously not in the works, it's a SUGGESTION lol.

Can you answer the question? Jesus.

It's a suggestion and you decided to make 1 big thread about something that is not even a rumor?Fans from other teams proposed their trades in the Cousins thread yet you wanna be different and let everybody see this trade that is not even a rumor.

I can see if this was a legit rumor but it's specualtion from a clown reporter,does this really deserve it's own thread?

This isn't just about a trade, it's about whether Sac fans think this guy is worth the Celtics time.
Many Celtics fans think getting a solid big like Cousins could set us up with Rondo for years to come.
I'm asking Sac fans, do they think he's worth giving up Sully, Bradley, Melo and picks for.

Just because the title of the thread is a trade rumor doesn't mean the whole is specifically about the trade.
You've given your input now please DIAGF and go away. Thankyou.

Fine, I'll answer... NO! Terrible deal.

robbie84 wrote:This isn't just about a trade, it's about whether Sac fans think this guy is worth the Celtics time.
Many Celtics fans think getting a solid big like Cousins could set us up with Rondo for years to come.
I'm asking Sac fans, do they think he's worth giving up Sully, Bradley, Melo and picks for.

Just because the title of the thread is a trade rumor doesn't mean the whole is specifically about the trade.
You've given your input now please DIAGF and go away. Thankyou.

U mad brah?

robbie84 wrote:This isn't just about a trade, it's about whether Sac fans think this guy is worth the Celtics time.
Many Celtics fans think getting a solid big like Cousins could set us up with Rondo for years to come.
I'm asking Sac fans, do they think he's worth giving up Sully, Bradley, Melo and picks for.

Just because the title of the thread is a trade rumor doesn't mean the whole is specifically about the trade.
You've given your input now please DIAGF and go away. Thankyou.

No I wouldnt deal DMC for that package. DMC is the best in that bunch. The pick and Melo are bleh. Bradley is okay but what do we need a 6 2 shooting guard to fight for minutes we dont have.

We should get a guy like Juwan Howard and pay him to babysit DMC all year. Get a real professional to show him how to be a pro.

Sacramento_King wrote:

robbie84 wrote:This isn't just about a trade, it's about whether Sac fans think this guy is worth the Celtics time.
Many Celtics fans think getting a solid big like Cousins could set us up with Rondo for years to come.
I'm asking Sac fans, do they think he's worth giving up Sully, Bradley, Melo and picks for.

Just because the title of the thread is a trade rumor doesn't mean the whole is specifically about the trade.
You've given your input now please DIAGF and go away. Thankyou.

No I wouldnt deal DMC for that package. DMC is the best in that bunch. The pick and Melo are bleh. Bradley is okay but what do we need a 6 2 shooting guard to fight for minutes we dont have.

We should get a guy like Juwan Howard and pay him to babysit DMC all year. Get a real professional to show him how to be a pro.

Well DMC is always going to be the best player in pretty much any deal because his salary is so low.
Even then, teams are shying away from him because of his attitude problems.

I mean Sullinger and Bradley would easily go top 10 in their drafts if teams could see into the future- I know you are plenty stacked at the 2 and 4 spots but they would both be lottery picks if teams could foresee how well they'd adapt to the NBA system.
Bradley was rated ahead of John Wall in high school and there are reasons for this.
Anyway, my point is that you aren't ever getting the best player back in a deal for DMC unless it's some old guy like Paul Pierce that you don't want.
Happened with Melo, Garnett from Minny, Harden from OKC etc....
You move Cousins, get assets. move evans, get assets.
Anyway, you answered my question so thanks for being straight forward and honest. I just can't see how the Kings will get equal value for Cousins at this point.

I guess I"m asking because a lot of Celtics fans are strongly against moving Avery and Sully for Cousins after a rumour came out a few days ago from Sideshowbob the twitter account saying a deal for the abovementioned players was almost done...
Here's the topic in the Celtics forums and of course it's probably bogus but sideshow bob has been right on some pretty big trades before they happened....
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php ... icseen#new

Thanks again.

lol now you are taking incarcerated bob tweets serious?Dude nobody is trading Cousins who you can argue is a top 4 center and he has potential to be the best center in the NBA for a 6'2 sg and a backup pf who is not that good.Im sorry but unless Boston is trying to part with Rondo then there is no deal to discuss.

Incarcerated bob is not reliable at all and he throws stuff just to seek attention.

This responses to this thread have been mostly just **** so far. If robbie wants to make a thread he can. If you have a problem with it **** OFF. There have been a number of references lately to Cousins being available and the Celtics have been mentioned. It's a reasonable thread.

I think that saying Cousins is a top 4 center is being far too generous. I guess if you're willing to overlook all of his nonsense he's a top 20 center. Potential-wise he's a top 10 center. Since no GM in their right mind totally overlooks the crazy (see Delonte West failing to make a team this season) then you have to either keep him or accept less in trade value. End of story.

In response to the only relevant comment so far:

Sacramento_King wrote:No I wouldnt deal DMC for that package. DMC is the best in that bunch. The pick and Melo are bleh. Bradley is okay but what do we need a 6 2 shooting guard to fight for minutes we dont have.

We should get a guy like Juwan Howard and pay him to babysit DMC all year. Get a real professional to show him how to be a pro.

The reason some GMs usually like getting unpolished centers late in drafts or in trades is because of their potential. Saying the the pick is bleh makes no sense. If you don't like extra picks fine I guess but if the pick is too low then I refer you to the 1999 draft where Manu Ginobli was picked 57th. You remember that guy. Oh and from the way the Celtics look this year that pick could be in the teens. They're stumbling big time.

Bradley has been quite good in the limited time he's played in the league. Generally the point in having or trading for a 6'2" shooting guard is that he's good at something. Saying you have too many good things is silly. That would be like saying that you've got a nice hat but having more than one is silly because you only have one head. Certainly you can use them in different situations or even trade/sell one for something you do need. You see my point.

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For my part I think it's a lopsided trade in favor of the C's. If I were the Kings I'd ask for Bradley, Green and Sullinger + two 1st rounders for Cousins and Salmons. That sheds their only really bad contract in Salmons and brings in 3 players in their early 20s to build around. If I were the C's I'd give on everything but Bradley and try to make the picks conditional. Either way there is some wiggle room.

You're analogy of having too many hats doesn't make sense. We already have Thomas, Brooks, Jimmer, Thornton, and Reke all fighting for minutes. You honestly think adding Bradley won't make it worse? It's just going to get more players upset. Having too many players at one positions can hurt a team....

Also laughed at you brining up Manu Ginobili reference as there aren't many Manu's in this league, who are picked late and turn into an all-star.

robbie84 wrote:
Chris Sheridan has also suggested that you guys trade Cousins, get what you can and move on for now.

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/12/22 ... ousins/2/s

This link is to an article from September, lol, and says nothing about trading Cousins.

What kind of rubbish thread is this?

bibby1023 wrote:You're analogy of having too many hats doesn't make sense. We already have Thomas, Brooks, Jimmer, Thornton, and Reke all fighting for minutes. You honestly think adding Bradley won't make it worse? It's just going to get more players upset. Having too many players at one positions can hurt a team....

My analogy might have been bad but I'd argue that Bradley is better than Thomas/Brooks/Jimmer. His defense puts him somewhere around Thornton and Tyreke is probably so much more gifted offensively that he would get the start at SG. Oh I guess that is if Tyreke is even stll around.

If I'm not mistaken Thomas, Fredette and Brooks play the point. Bradley is a two guard in most situations that I've seen him have success. Really he'd be competing for minutes with Thornton and Tyreke. I'd argue that he's probably a better player all around than Thornton. Maybe instead of being upset about having too many of one asset you could try to be happy about having a good asset. I don't think adding a good player to a team necessarily makes things worse even if his position is well represented. A better argument might be that the King should use their abundance of guards to acquire a position of need. I'm not sure what is needed but the idea that having too many guards.

bibby1023 wrote:Also laughed at you brining up Manu Ginobili reference as there aren't many Manu's in this league, who are picked late and turn into an all-star.

I'll work out of the late first round since the initial discussion was for a Celtic first round pick which could be as late as pick number30.

2000 Michael Redd picked 43rd
2001 Tony Parker picked 28th and Gilbert Arenas picked 30th
2002 Carlos Boozer picked 35th
2003 Josh Howard picked 29th
2004 Jameer Nelson picked 20th
2005 David West picked 30th
2006 Rajon Rondo picked 20th and
2007 Marc Gasol picked 48th
2008 Serge Ibaka picked 24th (not an all-star yet)

I stopped because obviously there are players outside of the lottery that become all-stars or at least elite level talents. I'm not saying the Kings should trade Cousins for pick #60 or anything. I'm saying snubbing your nose at first round and even second round picks make you a first class moron. They are valuable, period.

And certainly there aren't a lot but there has been at least one per year for some time now. Maybe the scouting in Sacramento is so bad that picks are useless but I'm not sure that makes draft picks the problem.

Late picks actually have been decent with Petrie. The problem is we don't need anymore youth. We need some vet talent to make it all work. Adding Melo, Sullinger, another 1st and Bradley looks nice on paper but will Smart be able to come up with a combo that works. Doubtful. We need to hope DMC gets his act together even for a short run and then hope to get a better singular player rather than a package.

Sacramento_King wrote:Late picks actually have been decent with Petrie. The problem is we don't need anymore youth. We need some vet talent to make it all work. Adding Melo, Sullinger, another 1st and Bradley looks nice on paper but will Smart be able to come up with a combo that works. Doubtful. We need to hope DMC gets his act together even for a short run and then hope to get a better singular player rather than a package.

No it doesn't. A bunch a D-Leaguers, mediocre picks, and bench players? We already have plenty of that.

Goldtop wrote:

robbie84 wrote:
Chris Sheridan has also suggested that you guys trade Cousins, get what you can and move on for now.

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/12/22 ... ousins/2/s

This link is to an article from September, lol, and says nothing about trading Cousins.

What kind of rubbish thread is this?

Sorry I must have copy/pasted a different article.
This is what I was referencing to.

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/12/22 ... s-cousins/

I also noticed tonight that Chris Webber suggested the Celtics should go after Cousins.
I'm not saying the Sideshow bob tweet was genuine, but it sparked a debate amongst Celtics fans about whether or not you'd give up both Sully and Avery and or Green for DMC.
Wanted Kings fans take.
I know it's bad in SAC Town as a bball fan but surely you don't have to get that worked up about a few trade questions around trade time?

Wolfay wrote:

Sacramento_King wrote:Late picks actually have been decent with Petrie. The problem is we don't need anymore youth. We need some vet talent to make it all work. Adding Melo, Sullinger, another 1st and Bradley looks nice on paper but will Smart be able to come up with a combo that works. Doubtful. We need to hope DMC gets his act together even for a short run and then hope to get a better singular player rather than a package.

No it doesn't. A bunch a D-Leaguers, mediocre picks, and bench players? We already have plenty of that.

Well our blue chip talent sucks as well. At least that combo will play with some hustle. Sullinger was actually a top 10 prospect till he was red flagged. Melo is a nice defensive prospect as well.

I do think we need a vet or to trade DMC in a one for one deal.

robbie84 wrote:

Goldtop wrote:

robbie84 wrote:
Chris Sheridan has also suggested that you guys trade Cousins, get what you can and move on for now.

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/12/22 ... ousins/2/s

This link is to an article from September, lol, and says nothing about trading Cousins.

What kind of rubbish thread is this?

Sorry I must have copy/pasted a different article.
This is what I was referencing to.

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/12/22 ... s-cousins/

I also noticed tonight that Chris Webber suggested the Celtics should go after Cousins.
I'm not saying the Sideshow bob tweet was genuine, but it sparked a debate amongst Celtics fans about whether or not you'd give up both Sully and Avery and or Green for DMC.
Wanted Kings fans take.
I know it's bad in SAC Town as a bball fan but surely you don't have to get that worked up about a few trade questions around trade time?

Dude they are mad because you come to their board and create a big trade thread and you offer them junk,that is like a slap in the face.

*I also see you posted the same trade in trade forum and everybody said it was a bad deal for Sacramento.Cousins has allstar potential unless the Celtics are willing to give up Rondo I don't see how a deal gets done unless it is a 3 team deal.

Hes already demanded a trade from sacramento last year, flat out demanded a trade, Celtics were intrested then . of course the Kings are going to try to cover it up , but its known that Cousins wants out, he even hired notorious agent Dan Fegan who is known to force GM to trade his clients. and hes already been suspended a handful of times by the kings.

There are not many teams that are knocking on there door to trade for Cousins, hes only a good fit for certain teams because of his imaturity issues.

I dont know why a knicks fan is in here crying about the celtics getting cousins anyway , this is the kings board regarding a trade with the celtics

Id be reluctant to trade avery bradley, but the kings can have anything else on the celtics not named KG,PP,Rondo and they can have all there picks