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Blazers fan here just curious what it would take in your minds to get Thorton and Thompson from you? Lillard, Batum, LA excluded from any deal. Everyone else on the roster is open game.

Pick 10 would be a nice haul for them, not sure how realistic that is though. Other than the guys mentioned the only player I have interest in would be Meyers Leonard.

So, basically you want to give scraps for productive players? Nah, move along. Thompson you might be able to land for some space though.

10th pick is the only thing that's interesting, but that would only be interesting to move up.


If something could be worked out where we could move up to get Noel though, I'd be 100% down with moving Thornton.

I would be down for Thornton/Jimmer for Wes Matthews/Claver plus this or next years pick. I don't know how high Portland is on Clavers but he has some potential.

Not sure, the only guy I'd really want would be Batum tbh.

I think Thornton/Thompson/Thomas are all part of what could be a deep and talented bench. I wouldn't move them.

It's like I'm the only one saying "hold."

ICMTM wrote:I think Thornton/Thompson/Thomas are all part of what could be a deep and talented bench. I wouldn't move them.

It's like I'm the only one saying "hold."

JT and Thorton make around 14 mil combined next year, and 14.7 the following.

I'd rather have a legit high quality player + a cheapie.

No reason to move IT, he makes less than a million.

That is not expensive by NBA standards.

ICMTM wrote:That is not expensive by NBA standards.

You have a max 60 mil roster, without the tax.

they eat up 25% of the budget.

so you either keep them of average to good talents, or have an overall good piece + a cheapie. No way to do both and improve your roster much, unless you want to keep relying on draft picks.

blind prophet wrote:

ICMTM wrote:That is not expensive by NBA standards.

You have a max 60 mil roster, without the tax.

they eat up 25% of the budget.

so you either keep them of average to good talents, or have an overall good piece + a cheapie. No way to do both and improve your roster much, unless you want to keep relying on draft picks.

Factor in Salmons and Chuck and that adds over 13 million more, now all of them combined eat up over 45% of the budget.

Keeping two of them would be ok but not all 4.

No one wants Salmons, few would want Chuck.

But if you do not plan on competing this year, or want to be patient, Salmons comes off the books, so that leaves either Chuck or JT to be moved by next year.

You do realize of 30 NBA teams only three had a payroll < $60m last year right? 25% of the cap should not be 25% of the budget. Houston was the only good team with a salary under the cap. The luxury tax number should be the number you're looking at anyway, which was $70.3m not $60m.

If the cap is $60m next year we'd still be $10-12m under if we give Evans a QO but do not pick up the qualifying offers to Toney Douglas and James Johnson. That takes into consideration holding onto John Salmon's contract, Chuck Hayes, and Travis Outlaw. We don't need to dump Thompson or Thornton for budget reasons.

Looking back to 2002-3 this is what our salaries looked like

http://www.basketball-reference.com/tea ... l_salaries

1 Chris Webber $14,343,750
2 Vlade Divac $11,248,076
3 Mike Bibby $8,500,000
4 Doug Christie $6,250,000
5 Peja Stojakovic $5,625,000

total 45,966,826

Now take a look at Chuck, JT, Thorton, and Salmons.

Salmons 7,580,000
Thorton 8,165,000
Hayes 5,722,500
JT 5,643,750

Total 27,111,250

So with relative garbage to decency, almost half of our current budget is gone.

Not the way to form a team,

The old Kings added fillers like Bobby Jackson for 2.7 million and Pollard at 4.8 million after getting a good core.

We need to do the same thing get roughly 4 solid pieces at higher prices, then fill the gaps.

Not 6 average fellas, fill our budget and hit the lottery.

ICMTM wrote:You do realize of 30 NBA teams only three had a payroll < $60m last year right? 25% of the cap should not be 25% of the budget. Houston was the only good team with a salary under the cap. The luxury tax number should be the number you're looking at anyway, which was $70.3m not $60m.

If the cap is $60m next year we'd still be $10-12m under if we give Evans a QO but do not pick up the qualifying offers to Toney Douglas and James Johnson. That takes into consideration holding onto John Salmon's contract, Chuck Hayes, and Travis Outlaw. We don't need to dump Thompson or Thornton for budget reasons.

You are right the luxury was 70 million I thought it was 60, but the theme still applies from my previous post.

From here

http://nbaquench.blogspot.com/2012/07/s ... d-for.html

Looks like it will be 70 million this year.

We agree we have some bad contracts. I just don't think MT/JT are two of them. Even with that I think we're in good shape.

ICMTM wrote:We agree we have some bad contracts. I just don't think MT/JT are two of them. Even with that I think we're in good shape.

Well that is the decision we have to make, be patient next year, or go for it now.

We have Salmons off the books after this season, and then we can move Chuck perhaps.

Thornton is a steal contract wise relative to his potential. JT's contract is probably a little under what he could command, problem is, he's on the wrong team in the wrong system and being asked to do the wrong things.

If Thornton is the only smallish chucker left, his value indeed goes up. And he would be more than worth his contract. JT is the best of 3 bench-level PFs Kings have. Kings just need to replace money tied in Hayes with mobile PF/C defender. Patterson would serve as 4th big.

If this frontcourt stays as is and Patterson isn't the starting PF next year, something is wrong. He thoroughly outplayed and outfit anyone else in that frontcourt when playing next to Cousins.

JT is a great production big for team needing a 3rd big who can produce. This team needs defense, something JT doesn't exactly bring a ton of.

Patterson should be the undisputed starting PF for next season. There is simply no reason to keep playing him off the bench.

JT is a great 3rd big to have and I hope we use him at C more often. I believe that's his best position despite him being pigeon-holed at PF for the majority of his career.