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I know you're sick of the Cousins trade ideas but if he does blow up again the front office will think long and hard...here's what Celtics fans ( who are desperate for Cousins) have come up with lately...
With Pierce probably leaving and KG probably going with him if its to their hometown LA ( they both live in LA) this is a scenario that's very possible if Kings sign off.


1)KG + Pierce to Clippers
KG must accept a move to LA and sending both Pierce and KG would make the Clips more likely to say yes but it's possible they may take just Pierce for added scoring and to dump Jordan's horrid contract.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qz2kl9x

BOSTON to LAC: Paul Pierce
BOS to SAC (via CLIPPERS) Deandre Jordan + Eric bledsloe +16th pick
SAC to Boston: Demarcus Cousins+ John Salmons+ Willie Green (via CLIPPERS)

Money works. Clippers get scorer to help CP3 but now need interior help. KG would be perfect obviously.
This is same deal but KG is included, which is probably the most likely way this happens.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=o2633dd

2) The other involves moving Pierce to LAC with Jordan Crawford and the 16th pick, whilst Isaiah Thomas goes to LAC from the Clips to replace Bledsloe as the back up PG.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pppz7hb

The KG version is here...
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pgzetz8

Meanwhile, we send a package to the Kings of

Jeff Green
Avery Bradley
Brandon Bass

whilst flipping DeAndre Jordan to the Kings as part of the deal.

Celtics get Bledsloe to replace Bradley, and we move Bass's deal (Kings might take Terry but they'd prefer Bass for the long haul).
They get a solid starting small forward in Jeff Green and are now looking at a starting unit of:

Lottery pick PG (Dennis Schroeder)?
Avery Bradley
Jeff Green
Bass/ Jason Tompson
DeAndre Jordan

PLUS the kings still have 2013 lottery pick and a probable lottery pick in 2014. This doesn't make kings instant contenders, and they'll still head to 2014 lottery with a top 6 pick, but it gives you building blocks at with multiple positions to draft around with a TONNE of cap space for free agents. Youre also getting some great guys in the locker room to change the culture of the organization in Bass, Bradley and Jeff Green. If Kings demanded it, the Celtics would probably give the Kings Bledsloe instead of Bradley, but would try to hang on to him of course.

Thoughts from SAC fans?

Sorry nowhere near enough value to me. You are offering me role players for a guy who could be the best big man in the nba. You will need to do better than that.

Honestly the best deal I've seen so far. I would at least consider it if he blows up again.

longfellow44 wrote:Sorry nowhere near enough value to me. You are offering me role players for a guy who could be the best big man in the nba. You will need to do better than that.

Are you guys going to pay him max when he's an RFA?
What are you expecting for him?
I mean DeAndre Jordan, Jeff Green, brandon bass, Eric Bledsloe and a 16th pick whilst dumping Hayes and Salmons?

I'm not sure what else you get from anyone else that is position to give you anything as good, and even if they have the assets, they must then have a desire to put up with and gamble on Cousins.
Do you think the Celtics would give up someone like Rondo? I just dont think any GMs would give away a proven star for a potential 7 footer star.Just as a lot of Kings fans feel that not enough is being put on the table for DMC, I feel that some (not all) Kings fan treat him like he's a proven star in the NBA and so that's what you should get back. That's a matter of opinion but can you really see teams putting together packages like that for Cousins when someone like James Harden gets Martin and Lamb. He's not Dwight Howard, he's still a big gamble.

Anyway, I come in peace so thanks for the input.

You misunderstand me I dont want a pile of decent assets I want one really good one. That is what it will take to get the kings interested in trading cousins. We can not afford to dilute talent.

Interesting... I like Avery Bradley alot, and Jordan is a good athletic big to replace Cousins. I'm not sure if I'd do it tho. If we got a package of Rondo & Jordan, I'd probably be much more interested. Rondo's passing with Jordan's athleticism would be a good pair IMO.

What about Barnes, Green and Festus?

longfellow44 wrote:You misunderstand me I dont want a pile of decent assets I want one really good one. That is what it will take to get the kings interested in trading cousins. We can not afford to dilute talent.

The Grizzlies got a bunch of garbage, Marc Gasol, and two 1st's for Pau Gasol and look where it got them.

I digress. If DeMarcus Cousins plays consistent basketball at a high level this conversation will go away. The only reason anyone is considering trading DMC is because he is inconsistent in his play and behavior.

His talent hasn't ever been questioned.

We'll give you Barnes and Klay for Cous

If Cousins is playing consistent ball at his level of potential then we wouldn't want to move him. If he's playing/performing with a bad attitude he's not worth Harrison Barnes and Klay Thompson.

I could see the Celtics offering Rondo for Cousins/Fredette.. though we might try to steal him for less.

With the number of centers that should be available at the 7 spot, any rumors you guys are going to give up on Cousins?

No. There aren't ANY rumors we are trying to give up on Cousins.

robbie84 wrote:
BOS to SAC (via CLIPPERS) Deandre Jordan + Eric bledsloe +16th pick
SAC to Boston: Demarcus Cousins+ John Salmons+ Willie Green (via CLIPPERS)

These trades make no sense. If the Kings are willing to take DeAndre and Bledsoe as the center piece for Cousins, wouldn't you think the Clippers would just trade them straight up for Cousins? Why would the Clips prefer a 36-yr-old wing over a 20-something future All-Star center? You are just doing a round about way to include the Celtics in these trades, with the Celtics getting the best piece, of course, while giving up little other than aging vets.

andy582 wrote:I could see the Celtics offering Rondo for Cousins/Fredette.. though we might try to steal him for less.

With the number of centers that should be available at the 7 spot, any rumors you guys are going to give up on Cousins?

There's a number of PG available at the #16 pick, how about the Celtics give up on Rondo and trade him to us for Jimmer?

To be honest. If we move DMC I want Kevin Love back.

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I would like to see someone lock DMC, Reke, Webb, Vlade, and Ranavide in a room...and nobody is coming out until we all agree how we're building around those two pieces.

andy582 wrote:I could see the Celtics offering Rondo for Cousins/Fredette.. though we might try to steal him for less.

With the number of centers that should be available at the 7 spot, any rumors you guys are going to give up on Cousins?

The options available at 7 are kind of irrelevant when they're frankly nowhere near Cuz's talent level. I can't imagine anybody being like "Let's trade Cuz! We can get Alex Len!"

I would trade DMC. He was under 3 coaches already and still acting like a baby. He is bad for the team. We can trade him for Love anytime of the day.. if we can. maybe we can trade everybody for CP3 and Dwight.

I am going to flip flop here and agree with the move Cousins movement. I think his value is high enough. I don't see him growing out of his behavior pattern any time soon. I don't think his behavior pattern has been influenced by changes in coaches or upper management. Simply put you just can't build around a guy like him because he himself is not predictable.

Someone else may feel they can "get through to him." It may or may not work. My thinking is the risk of waiting and seeing if he will change isn't really worth the reward.

If we can trade him for another potential franchise cornerstone that's more stable, then sure, go for it.

But we probably can't, and it's worth repeating over and over: Talent like this is extremely hard to find.

It is only talent if it is on display consistently.