Our Rotation

longfellow44 · Post #1 » by **longfellow44** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:29 pm

I was lurking on another forum where this was being discussed so I thought I would bring it here for us to talk about.

Who stays and who goes. Will we be moving evans to point guard? Will we pick up IT's team option? What about mccallum is he going to play or sit?

personally I want to start our two best guard together and see how it goes.

This is my ideal rotation based on the guys we currently have.

Evans/IT
Mclemore/mccallum

I want to trade both jimmer and thornton. If we see start tyreke at pg we cant risk keeping thornton and having mclemore and thornton on the court at the same time there would be no ball handler. In a 3 guard rotation with evans and mclemore starting we have to have a pg off the bench so we have to keep thomas.

I think we can trust evans at pg in this situation with a guy who likes to score off screens.

ADoaN17 · Post #2 » by **ADoaN17** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:33 am

Rather keep Jimmer as backup sg. McCallum is a rookie, small and isnt a sg.

blind prophet · Post #3 » by **blind prophet** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:14 am

Pg Reke/IT
SG McLemore/Reke/Salmons
SF Salmons
PF Pat
C Cousins

I think MT, and Jimmer will be gone. Either JT or Chuck gone as well.

Hopefully we figure out the SF spot.

KINGWIN033 · Post #4 » by **KINGWIN033** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:25 am

i would like to trade both jimmer and thorton (for a SF). look for a defensive two guard to have behind mclemore( wesley johnson?i kno just an idea) i think a three guard rotation would be good with tyreke back at the point...and i just love IT as a change of pace 6th man, hes a PG in the sense of bobby jackson and like most players from seattle hes a gunner. i did love the idea of thorton as a sixth man potentially bt i dont know if he has the attitude for it. IT is more of a team player and someone i can see buying into that role. with mccallum im not sure about the pick( we just have too many guards), bt i guess we send him to the d league, unless we can move both jimmer and thorton( jared dudley please)

PG - Tyreke/ SG - Mclemore
PG - IT/ SG - Tyreke
PG - IT/ SG - Mclemore

Post #5 » by **ICMTM** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:26 am

I don't understand why we need so much player movement right off the top. I'd like to see guys in roles they can thrive in and a system in place before we can truly evaluate this team. We have some ideas about this team but I can't be the only one to feel for the talent we have we should be playing better ball?

Hopefully the coaching changes will resolve more of that than player turnover.

Post #6 » by **Wolfay** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:33 am

ADoaN17 wrote:Rather keep Jimmer as backup sg. McCallum is a rookie, small and isnt a sg.

If McCallum is too small for the two, so is Jimmer who is around the same size. Personally I think we're going to keep McCallum as the 5th guard.

blind prophet · Post #7 » by **blind prophet** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:33 am

ICMTM wrote:I don't understand why we need so much player movement right off the top. I'd like to see guys in roles they can thrive in and a system in place before we can truly evaluate this team. We have some ideas about this team but I can't be the only one to feel for the talent we have we should be playing better ball?

Hopefully the coaching changes will resolve more of that than player turnover.

I am not so sure with our old roster we could do any better even with a new coach and philosophy. Some of our fellas simply are average pieces or one dimensional.

I've seen enough.

Move JT or Chuck, I'd rather have a cheap scrapper behind the other.

MT is just a chucker, and not great percentage wise.

Jimmer is not capable of handling the athleticism in this league defensively.

Post #8 » by **ICMTM** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:41 am

I think as a 6th man MT can chuck! I think Eddie House got a ring that way with the Celtics? Is he paid too much for that role? Sure! It actually makes more sense to Amnesty Marcus Thornton than it does John Salmons. For starters MT has two years and nearly $17m owed where as Salmons has one and $7.6m owed. I know you didn't bring the amnesty piece up but it's been a common theme.

Anyway we were one of the best scoring offense for the second half of the season. We were a terrible defensive team. We brought in a defensive minded coach. To me if we just play better defense that will be half the battle.

bibby1023 · Post #9 » by **bibby1023** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:47 am

We can't amnesty Thornton I don't think. He received his new contract after the new CBA was agreed upon

Post #10 » by **pillwenney** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:06 am

Yeah. Salmons and Cuz are the only players on the roster who can be amnestied. Salmons is the guy to lose.

And there should be zero questions about picking up IT's option. No team in the league would pass that up.

longfellow44 · Post #11 » by **longfellow44** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:20 am

Like I said I just brought over some of the points from the discussion I saw on a different site.

I have a love hate relationship with Thomas, I hate him as a starter but I love him as a backup. His instant offense is very solid and he is good at pushing the pace of a game.

Trade Thornton and Thompson to the Bulls for Hamilton and Gibson, Waive Hamilton, Amnesty salmons and sign Dorell wright.

New Roster:
Evan/Thomas
McLemore/Jimmer/Macallum
Wright/Outlaw
Gibson/Patterson
Cousins/Hayes/Aldrich

Post #12 » by **KF10** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:26 am

Am I the only one that's worried that Pete will let Douglas walk in a couple of days.

Pete has 2 days left to give Douglas the QO before the deadline (June 30)

UKF · Post #13 » by **UKF** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:51 am

PG: Tyreke/IT/McCallum
SG: McLemore/Thornton
SF: Salmons/McLemore?

I would expect either Tyreke or Thomas to start at the point with McLemore playing guard. I don't know if we could come out with a starting lineup with McLemore at the three (not really a fan) but if we keep Reke and don't add much talent at the three we may have to use that lineup. I expect us to add a SF but there's no guy here now so that's what I'm going by.

I think we should deal Thornton AND Jimmer (not just one) or Tyreke and Jimmer but I wouldn't deal Tyreke until I know what he can do with McLemore on the court. Lot of offseason left and I can't wait to hear what our next move is. Completely shocked that we were able grab him but I'm not sure of the kind of pro he'll be. Ray Allen would be nice but if he turns out to be a Gerald Green-type player I wouldn't be surprised either. There is no sure thing in the draft this year.

blind prophet · Post #14 » by **blind prophet** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:52 am

KF10 wrote:Am I the only one that's worried that Pete will let Douglas walk in a couple of days.

Pete has 2 days left to give Douglas the QO before the deadline (June 30)

Let him walk, combine assets with trades etc, see what is out there.

down_el_road · Post #15 » by **down_el_road** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:54 am

Perhaps I'm in the minority here but I feel the both reke and MT are the only ones who need to be traded from the backcourt.

blind prophet · Post #16 » by **blind prophet** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:57 am

down_el_road wrote:Perhaps I'm in the minority here but I feel the both reke and MT are the only ones who need to be traded from the backcourt.

Why move Tyreke, assuming you can get him at a fair price?

down_el_road · Post #17 » by **down_el_road** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:14 am

blind prophet wrote:
down_el_road wrote:Perhaps I'm in the minority here but I feel the both reke and MT are the only ones who need to be traded from the backcourt.

Why move Tyreke, assuming you can get him at a fair price?

Yep. Tyreke is such a liability on the court and just feel his time has gone here.

Post #18 » by **City of Trees** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:29 am

McCallum is a PG. At pick #36 he is already better than Jimmer. Book it.

rpa · Post #19 » by **rpa** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:34 am

I think we really need to stop looking at this team like one where we can just plug some holes, add a little talent, and call it a day. The Maloofs **** this team up. Period. Adding pieces to a **** show isn't going to yield a contender. This team needs to be torn down and built back up.

Does that mean trading everyone? No. But it does mean that we shouldn't be looking to add short term talent. It also means we should look to trade any player who isn't:
a) Cheap
b) Really freaking good
c) A core piece
That means Thornton should be the first to go. Not only is he none of the above 3, but he's also a player that isn't a fit with the roster. You just can't carry this many players who can only play a single position. McLemore is a 2--that's it; Thornton is a 2--that's it; Jimmer is a one that has to play with a ball handling 2--that's it; Thomas is a PG--that's it. You have 4 guys that are locked into a specific position. Thornton just happens to be the oldest and making the most money. He needs to go.

If I'm the Kings I dump Thornton for as much as I can get (probably an unguaranteed or expiring contract at best) and possibly try to dump Thompson as well. Use the cap space to take on short contracts in exchange for prospects and draft picks. Our GM/assistant have proven they can draft well in the past, give them the ability to use that to their advantage.

Keep Outlaw and Hayes because, well, no other choice. Resign Evans if you don't have to break the bank. Resign Patterson next summer if he comes cheap. Give Cousins up to the max as long as he does well this year. Pray for a good haul in the 2014 draft and then start trying to get better starting that next season.

Post #20 » by **City of Trees** » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:34 am

blind prophet wrote:
down_el_road wrote:Perhaps I'm in the minority here but I feel the both reke and MT are the only ones who need to be traded from the backcourt.

Why move Tyreke, assuming you can get him at a fair price?

I wonder with the right coach and system if Reke can now handle the point? No more winging it, can he consistently run plays and get guys involved? If the answer is yes then Reke has more value to this team than trading him for a SF.

If Reke is not the pg we need, someone needs to be moved. Cant have three of your best players (Evans, Thornton, and Shuttlesworth Jr.) play the same position.