Thompson

scotch_and_dice · Post #1 » by **scotch_and_dice** » Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:17 pm

I always liked JT but then he became a cap problem. At say 3mil per he would have made sense but I doubt he was willing to do that.

Anyways, now that we have Evans, Acy, Landry, D-Williams, and of course Gay that can cover PF at times we need to ditch him. I mean at almost any cost.

I'd be willing to trade him away, with cash for a protected 2nd and some lump on a shorter contract that the other team needs to ditch.

Anything is better than having a decent guy get his career ruined (he could be a perfect fit for a contending team at less salary but the boat sailed on that), while sitting like a giant cap anchor in front of guys who make less and fit the Kings needs more (Evans, Acy, heck even D-Williams)

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SacKingsPejaFan · Post #2 » by **SacKingsPejaFan** » Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:57 pm

Overpaid. Evans has better production and makes less than $2m a year. Thompson's contract is just a product of the Maloof's trying to get to the league minimum salary with the littlest effort and thought imaginable.

Silver Man · Post #3 » by **Silver Man** » Wed Mar 12, 2014 4:28 pm

Can't see anyone interested him which was proven at the deadline when we couldn't deal him. If we find a suitor of course we trade him right away assuming we don't get a terrible long contract back.

blind prophet · Post #4 » by **blind prophet** » Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:22 pm

He also has a trade kicker, think it is 5%.

No way we can move him to save money, would have to give up something ridiculous.

You would be making a parallel move, find another over paid fella, in a different position, and both teams swap bad contracts.

Problem is few people have as bad of a contract as JT.

SacKingZZZ · Post #5 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:52 am

Who knows what he'd have been willing to do. Petrie re-signed him on the basis of what he probably thought he was worth, no other team even stepped up and aggressively pursued him by all accounts.

Big_Cat · Post #6 » by **Big_Cat** » Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:08 am

An already vastly overpaid role player with a trade kicker and multiple years left in his deal...yeah. JT isn't going to be traded unless we give up something absurd (ie our pick or Boogie and that's probably the only two things we have valuable enough to dump JT)

Post #7 » by **Wolfay** » Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:29 am

JT is a legit double double guy that can play both PF and C in league lacking big men. Saying we'll have to add Cousins or our pick to trade him is being a little dramatic.

blind prophet · Post #8 » by **blind prophet** » Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:11 am

Wolfay wrote:JT is a legit double double guy that can play both PF and C in league lacking big men. Saying we'll have to add Cousins or our pick to trade him is being a little dramatic.

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blind prophet · Post #9 » by **blind prophet** » Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:28 am

This year JT has had 7 double doubles
Last year 13
11-12 he had 15
10-11 he had 9
09-10 24
08-09 17

So let's see

Total double doubles in career 85

Games played 442

So 19.2 % of his games.

year by year double double checks can be found here

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... e/count/41

And his stats are declining.

Big_Cat · Post #10 » by **Big_Cat** » Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:40 am

Wolfay wrote:JT is a legit double double guy that can play both PF and C in league lacking big men. Saying we'll have to add Cousins or our pick to trade him is being a little dramatic.

If JT is a legit double double guy, than Marcus Thornton is a legit 30 pt a night guy.

LOL :lol:

Even Jordan Hill has more double double's than JT this year.

Post #11 » by **KF10** » Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:38 am

JT's per 36 career numbers are 13/9-ish. Not a dbl-dbl but close. In an ideal world, JT is a reliable 3rd or 4th big for a very good/contending team.

Big_Cat · Post #12 » by **Big_Cat** » Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:44 am

KF10 wrote:JT's per 36 career numbers are 13/9-ish. Not a dbl-dbl but close. In an ideal world, JT is a reliable 3rd or 4th big for a very good/contending team.

4th bigs are not paid $6.5 million. Heck even 3rd big's are not paid $6.5 million on a contending team.

Jordan Hill's career per 36. 14/11.4
Spencer Hawes career per 36 13.9/9.3
Thomas Robinson career per 36 12.3/11.4

per 36 is a useless stat

Post #13 » by **Wolfay** » Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:54 am

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My central point still stands.

Post #14 » by **KF10** » Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:58 am

Big_Cat wrote:4th bigs are not paid $6.5 million. Heck even 3rd big's are not paid $6.5 million on a contending team.

Jordan Hill's career per 36. 14/11.4
Spencer Hawes career per 36 13.9/9.3
Thomas Robinson career per 36 12.3/11.4

per 36 is a useless stat

I never disputed the fact that JT is overpaid.

He is.

My point is that JT is not a dbl-dbl player but he's close to it when he plays starter minutes. In this case, per 36 numbers have some credence here. If you look at his per 36 numbers on a year by year basis, they are consistently alike. This tells me, he will probably average "13/9"ish with legit starter minutes. When you look at his second year when he averaged 31+ minutes, he put up 12.5/8.5. So, to me, his per 36 numbers isn't a "useless stat" in this context. Flawed? Yes. Useless? In this case? No.

SacKingZZZ · Post #15 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:13 am

I think with the right team JT could be in that 14 ppg 9 rpg range every game. But that team better have a legit defensive C next to him to clean up his team D weaknesses.

Big_Cat · Post #16 » by **Big_Cat** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:49 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:I think with the right team JT could be in that 14 ppg 9 rpg range every game. But that team better have a legit defensive C next to him to clean up his team D weaknesses.

Do you think JT is a starting level PF/C on a contending team? If not? Then he's vastly overpaid and can't be afforded by any contending team. Go and look at everyone that is actually competitive now-a-days and everyone that has a legit shot at winning a title. You don't $6-7 million for a backup. You can't afford to pay $6-7 million for a backup.

HUBlackstar83 · Post #17 » by **HUBlackstar83** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:22 pm

Big_Cat wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:I think with the right team JT could be in that 14 ppg 9 rpg range every game. But that team better have a legit defensive C next to him to clean up his team D weaknesses.

Do you think JT is a starting level PF/C on a contending team? If not? Then he's vastly overpaid and can't be afforded by any contending team. Go and look at everyone that is actually competitive now-a-days and everyone that has a legit shot at winning a title. You don't $6-7 million for a backup. You can't afford to pay $6-7 million for a backup.

JT is not a starting PF on any team in this league IMO. Nice guy and all, but I'm tired of his sloppy game, and whining and complaining on what it seems like every play.

Big_Cat · Post #18 » by **Big_Cat** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:33 pm

HUBlackstar83 wrote:JT is not a starting PF on any team in this league IMO. Nice guy and all, but I'm tired of his sloppy game, and whining and complaining on what it seems like every play.

Backups on contending teams do not make more than $4-5 million.

Backups on treadmill and lotto teams make more than $5 million.

SacKingZZZ · Post #19 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:53 pm

Big_Cat wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:I think with the right team JT could be in that 14 ppg 9 rpg range every game. But that team better have a legit defensive C next to him to clean up his team D weaknesses.

Do you think JT is a starting level PF/C on a contending team? If not? Then he's vastly overpaid and can't be afforded by any contending team. Go and look at everyone that is actually competitive now-a-days and everyone that has a legit shot at winning a title. You don't $6-7 million for a backup. You can't afford to pay $6-7 million for a backup.

Depends on the team. He's a role player and with any role player it depends on the team. I think if he were on a team like the Rockets he could easily be a starter. If he puts up 14 and 9 he's probably not overpaid. Of course he's overpaid here, not really needed here, and just wasting space here. I can only imagine Petrie paid him for things he's capable of, but as I said many times, if they aren't capable of doing them on your team you can't re-sign him at that price.

SacKingZZZ · Post #20 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:57 pm

Big_Cat wrote:
HUBlackstar83 wrote:JT is not a starting PF on any team in this league IMO. Nice guy and all, but I'm tired of his sloppy game, and whining and complaining on what it seems like every play.

Backups on contending teams do not make more than $4-5 million.

Backups on treadmill and lotto teams make more than $5 million.

Yeah, but you also have to factor in the situation with contending teams and their cap structure. Most contending teams have a few max level guys and as a result won't really be giving out too many contracts in that range, and because they are contenders they'll get a discount on some free agents and/or target players entering the final few years of their career. JT was a bad deal the day he was signed, period. Not because he's not capable of living up to that deal IMO, but because he won't ever be able to live up to that deal here. It's been long enough though that no team will touch him now.