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Sacramento Crowd sourcing the Draft
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:29 pm
by Swiftraven
Someone posted this on the Magic forums, but I thought you may be interested.
I didnt see it posted yet here.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuwvsZOvcms[/youtube]
Re: Sacramento Crowd sourcing the Draft
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:33 pm
by Hilltop
Interested in swapping your pick for Arron Afflalo by any chance?
Re: Sacramento Crowd sourcing the Draft
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:59 pm
by blind prophet
Hilltop wrote:Interesting in swapping your pick for Arron Afflalo by any chance?
Straight up?
No way in hell he is on a 1 year deal, will walk away most likely, and close to 30.
For expirings too? Nope.
Need 3 teams and someone to take JT or Landry.
Re: Sacramento Crowd sourcing the Draft
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:59 pm
by destro84
Hilltop wrote:Interesting in swapping your pick for Arron Afflalo by any chance?
AA alone is not nearly enough. AA is expiring this year. Why give up the 8th pick for a one year rental??
Re: Sacramento Crowd sourcing the Draft
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:03 pm
by blind prophet
This could in theory work.
Philly out 10,
Philly in 8 Thompson
Orlando out 12, Affalo
Orlando in 10
Sacramento out 8, Thompson
Sacramento in 12, Affalo
Re: Sacramento Crowd sourcing the Draft
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:24 pm
by bibby1023
Awesome video. The ending really got me thinking, when PDA said why not just go for the guy with the biggest upside. If that's his strategy when picking on Thursday who would that be? Smart? Gordon?
Re: Sacramento Crowd sourcing the Draft
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:46 pm
by Swiftraven
bibby1023 wrote:Awesome video. The ending really got me thinking, when PDA said why not just go for the guy with the biggest upside. If that's his strategy when picking on Thursday who would that be? Smart? Gordon?
Yeah, it was super interesting and was surprised I didn't see it posted here.
Figured I would do my SAC brothers a solid and making sure you saw it

Re: Sacramento Crowd sourcing the Draft
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:13 pm
by SacKingsPejaFan
The video and concept is really cool. I wish I wasn't swamped at work when they put out the RFP; I totally would have dusted off R and submitted something.
I like where Malone was in PDA's ear about shooters. I hope that translates to roster moves this summer. There are a lot of attainable high percentage 3PT shooters in the free agent market this year: Channing Frye, Spencer Hawes, DJ Augustin, Jodie Meeks, Nick Young, Trevor Ariza, Jordan Farmar...Nab a couple of these guys, turn 8 into gold either with a genius pick or a trade for a star, and we're in business.
Re: Sacramento Crowd sourcing the Draft
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:55 pm
by pillwenney
bibby1023 wrote:Awesome video. The ending really got me thinking, when PDA said why not just go for the guy with the biggest upside. If that's his strategy when picking on Thursday who would that be? Smart? Gordon?
I'm just glad that that has to effectively eliminate McDermott from contention.
Anyway, the video itself covers really rudimentary stuff, and some pretty bad analysis. Like just looking at other #8 picks is dumb and removes context from the analysis.
Re: Sacramento Crowd sourcing the Draft
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:26 pm
by enderwilson
I was wondering about videos like this giving too much of an insiders look into the decision making process. I doubt the video is actually showing the analysis that is really being used to make decisions because I'm sure there are some secrets that the FO does not want to reveal before the draft. But it is a cool vid giving this new Kings ownership an 'air' of sophistication. This makes the Maloofs look like luddites.
Re: Sacramento Crowd sourcing the Draft
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:52 pm
by SacKingZZZ
Oh goodness. I hope these math nerds put in a little common sense with their data, without the "why" you have nothing but baseless numbers Vivek.
Re: Sacramento Crowd sourcing the Draft
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:56 pm
by SacKingZZZ
enderwilson wrote:I was wondering about videos like this giving too much of an insiders look into the decision making process. I doubt the video is actually showing the analysis that is really being used to make decisions because I'm sure there are some secrets that the FO does not want to reveal before the draft. But it is a cool vid giving this new Kings ownership an 'air' of sophistication. This makes the Maloofs look like luddites.
Then again, you get to see the first name out of your coaches mouth be Doug McDermott. hahaha.

Feel better now? Maybe it's a smokescreen.
Kind of scary too, Malone talks about adding one of the shooters and the "data" they show on James Young kind of looks like a 40% FG average to me.

Re: Sacramento Crowd sourcing the Draft
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:08 pm
by SacKingZZZ
Good to hear some of these "experts" talking about Smart as well. Middle guy hit on some of the same points I did with him. While he didn't look like greatest PG in terms of the data he did play off the ball more and this is where he fits in very well if you are going to base your offense around Gay and Cousins as playmakers. Just need eyeballs to figure that out, math is just the result, haha.
I'm going to assume there is a bit of acting going on here but if not, certainly doesn't sound like the GM and coach are on the same page from what that video showed.
Re: Sacramento Crowd sourcing the Draft
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:19 pm
by pillwenney
Running the offense through Gay as a playmaker is not a recipe for success, and it's not with Cousins as a playmaker right now either (although he shows potential to get there). Smart coming in and basically being an off the ball SG is no solution, IMO.
Re: Sacramento Crowd sourcing the Draft
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:35 pm
by SacKingZZZ
Obviously it's not as simple as that, but it's pretty much a guarantee that this teams offense begins and ends with Gay and Cousins. Malone has it right about that. They need off the ball floor spreaders and shooters. When this team ran more passing options through Cousins this teams assist totals climbed as well as did the level of competitive play. Gays pick and roll, while not great, was actually probably the most consistent pick and roll play this team ran last year. He played it almost like Bibby used to with Webber where if the screener did his job it gave Rudy an open look and multiple options in the triple threat.
Smart isn't stuck into playing any one style or any singular way. That's why he would fit in great because his versatility allows him to fit into pretty much any play call you make. He can run some point, drive and dish, etc. or, and as I've stated before, he can and is willing to play off the ball as well. He's more than willing to feed the ball to Cousins in the post and spread, or get the ball to or set a screen for Gay up high and then cut or spot. With a huge PG like Smart you could even start running some Heat style 1/3, 2/3, or 1/4, 2/4 (when small) style pick and roll if you want to. This teams bigs aren't really suited for pick and roll ball but you can run some gimmicky pick and roll with Gay perhaps either as the roll man or screener. He did decent last year. Both Gay and Cousins can pass, that's a given and we've seen it, now they need plays designed for them to have options to pass to. They were "playmakers" last year, now they need to be able to have a chance to make plays for others instead of just mostly themselves.
Re: Sacramento Crowd sourcing the Draft
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:43 am
by enderwilson
I did notice the bit where Malone mentions McDermott, but mostly because the comments on this forum have been significantly negative towards him. To be honest, I know little about the guy but I can't help but wonder if the negative feelings toward McDermott are due to Jimmermania hangover as opposed to him actually being Jimmer 2.0. From what I've seen, he's bigger and much more athletic than Jimmer, but that's the limit of my analysis so my feelings are pretty much meh. Regardless, I wouldn't be surprised if this video has plenty of bait and switch easter-eggs in it to distract and keep other GMs/coaches/teams/agents guessing.
Re: Sacramento Crowd sourcing the Draft
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:23 am
by blind prophet
enderwilson wrote:I did notice the bit where Malone mentions McDermott, but mostly because the comments on this forum have been significantly negative towards him. To be honest, I know little about the guy but I can't help but wonder if the negative feelings toward McDermott are due to Jimmermania hangover as opposed to him actually being Jimmer 2.0. From what I've seen, he's bigger and much more athletic than Jimmer, but that's the limit of my analysis so my feelings are pretty much meh. Regardless, I wouldn't be surprised if this video has plenty of bait and switch easter-eggs in it to distract and keep other GMs/coaches/teams/agents guessing.
White fear, seriously.
Re: Sacramento Crowd sourcing the Draft
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:06 am
by Wolfay
It's because he has no true position. Really McDermott needs to play PF, but has little PF skills or size. There's no way he can play SF at the NBA level when he's going to be against guys like LeBron, Durant, Carmelo, and Paul George. McDermott can succeed, but only as a stretch four with a guy behind him protecting the rim (which isn't Cousins).
Re: Sacramento Crowd sourcing the Draft
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:38 am
by DiamondParoxysm
Wolfay wrote:It's because he has no true position. Really McDermott needs to play PF, but has little PF skills or size. There's no way he can play SF at the NBA level when he's going to be against guys like LeBron, Durant, Carmelo, and Paul George. McDermott can succeed, but only as a stretch four with a guy behind him protecting the rim (which isn't Cousins).
To me, he has Jared Sullinger like potential, except he already has the outside shot. Rebounding might never be there, but I think he has a Sullinger type game. I might be wrong, but he just reminds of him.
Re: Sacramento Crowd sourcing the Draft
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:19 am
by pillwenney
DiamondParoxysm wrote:Wolfay wrote:It's because he has no true position. Really McDermott needs to play PF, but has little PF skills or size. There's no way he can play SF at the NBA level when he's going to be against guys like LeBron, Durant, Carmelo, and Paul George. McDermott can succeed, but only as a stretch four with a guy behind him protecting the rim (which isn't Cousins).
To me, he has Jared Sullinger like potential, except he already has the outside shot. Rebounding might never be there, but I think he has a Sullinger type game. I might be wrong, but he just reminds of him.
Dude Sullinger is a tank with an ability to bully even NBA players. McDermott isn't even particularly strong for a SF, never mind a PF. And the rebounding difference is a huge difference.
He's Matt Bonner. He has a future as a spot shooter in this league who's defense you have to hide. Using a high pick on him in any situation would be disastrous.