Patience Please (BMac/Slik Nik)

[ICMTM]

When I go to the games I see things I do not see on TV. I was happy to see BMac mix it up with the other team. He pushed someone...I forget who. Then he came down and knocked down a three with confidence.

With Ben he needs to learn to stop deferring to others and play his game. He will become a very good NBA player. He's still deferring to the vets.

With Nik...he's lost. He looked like a fish out of water a bit. He's over playing his man on defense. He, too seems unsure of when to take his game to the other team. They both shoot it when open, but they don't jack up shots. It will take time for them to figure out their game for starters and when to pick their spots.

It's going to take time.

[RIPskaterdude]

Both need extra time, Nik should sit on the bench and only play in garbage minutes. Realistically we should have got a veteran SG to start instead of both of them, but so far it hasn't burned us and here's hoping it won't. But there will be more times than not when we complain about Ben going 1 for 7 with 2 points and 1 rebound in 30 minutes. It's going to happen.

[Kings2013]

Both need extra time, Nik should sit on the bench and only play in garbage minutes. Realistically we should have got a veteran SG to start instead of both of them, but so far it hasn't burned us and here's hoping it won't. But there will be more times than not when we complain about Ben going 1 for 7 with 2 points and 1 rebound in 30 minutes. It's going to happen.

I second Skaterdude. The issue is more from my perspective about whether their growing pains should be taking place starting/being first off the bench for a team trying to compete, and whether there should be a vet there at the position in some form. I guess that is more the front offices decision though, and more nights like last night and improvement from Ben or both of them can help the cause

[blind prophet]

We need to make a call soon, trade and get a decent but nothing special vet as soon as possible to make a push this season. Or just accept our young fellas. Worst case scenario would be to wait too long and miss maximizing this season.

Have to decide here soon.

[City of Trees]

We need to make a call soon, trade and get a decent but nothing special vet as soon as possible to make a push this season. Or just accept our young fellas. Worst case scenario would be to wait too long and miss maximizing this season.

Have to decide here soon.

No WORST case scenario is to make a trade and disrupt the chemistry that is clearly building.

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[SacKingZZZ]

Probably not wise to trade either right now and considering their value it's not like they'd get much for them anyway. I say let it play out and see what happens. If the idea was to maintain trade value the mistake was made from the day Nik was drafted with better value on the board at the time while onto a team that just used a top 10 pick on a player at the same position. The final nail was when the PG spot was boarded over so Nik can't get his minutes with Ben.

The good news is both are playing solid defense. Nik has been SCREWED on too many plays lately it's laughable. He's getting called for rookie style ghost fouls I swear. I hope he doesn't do a single thing different on defense because the only thing going on right now is the refs are being punks.

[blind prophet]

We need to make a call soon, trade and get a decent but nothing special vet as soon as possible to make a push this season. Or just accept our young fellas. Worst case scenario would be to wait too long and miss maximizing this season.

Have to decide here soon.

No WORST case scenario is to make a trade and disrupt the chemistry that is clearly building.

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Well if they are going to make a move it should be now or never unless something really nice surfaces later.

The West is tough, if they make a move and all it does is cost us money a season or two from now but we don't make the playoffs that hurts, and I'm not sure how long to wait with every game important. At some point later we will be better off most likely not making a move.

[Kings2013]

Probably not wise to trade either right now and considering their value it's not like they'd get much for them anyway. I say let it play out and see what happens. If the idea was to maintain trade value the mistake was made from the day Nik was drafted with better value on the board at the time while onto a team that just used a top 10 pick on a player at the same position. The final nail was when the PG spot was boarded over so Nik can't get his minutes with Ben.

The good news is both are playing solid defense. Nik has been SCREWED on too many plays lately it's laughable. He's getting called for rookie style ghost fouls I swear. I hope he doesn't do a single thing different on defense because the only thing going on right now is the refs are being punks.

As for the final nail did you think Nik could get a look at PG for an extensive period over the coming years? I heard rumblings of that but I don't know if I personally see that

Chad Ford said Nik was disappointing so far.. It's tough having patience with young players, because you want early returns so to speak relative to their draft class. Its still early though

[HUBlackstar83]

The good thing with these 2 is, it's not a question of talent. It's just being aggressive, especially for Ben. Stop deferring to the Reggie Evans of the world. I want to see the B-Mac in the season finale against the Suns last year. He was in attack mode the entire game.

As far Nik goes, I'm worried. He'll get it because he a high level basketball IQ. He's struggling to find himself as many rookies do. I don't why people expect these guys to just come into the NBA and light it up. They're called rookies for a reason. This ain't Michiagn no more, and he will make the necessary adjustments once he figures what he needs to do.

[HUBlackstar83]

http://cowbellkingdom.com/ben-mclemore-nik-stauskas-talk-slow-starts/

Ben
“(I) just try to find easy ways to score, try to create for myself and find the little things to do that,” McLemore explained of his strategy to bounce back. “Get myself out there, comfortable and ready to shoot. Just different ways, drawing fouls and getting to the foul line, fast break points, easy buckets just to get a rhythm going and help me get that shot.”


Nik
“I really don’t believe in slumps,” Stauskas explained to Cowbell Kingdom. “Here’s the way I look at it, if I take three shots in a game, and I miss all three shots, people consider that a slump. If you were just to go into practice and miss three shots in a row, you wouldn’t consider that a slump, would you? It’s all mental.”

[tmorgan]

Just curious:

What's the reason for Nik's total lack of PT now? Seems some folks are OK with his defensive effort, so I'm assuming it's just not having any role in the offense? With the way DeMarcus and Rudy are rolling, you don't want to mess with what works.

"Patience please" is undoubtedly correct, but since I don't get to watch many Kings games, I'm just looking for some local fan info.

[City of Trees]

Just curious:

What's the reason for Nik's total lack of PT now? .

foul trouble, Sessions getting some minutes at SG, and McCallum over powering the depth chart

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[Kings2013]

Just curious:

What's the reason for Nik's total lack of PT now? .

foul trouble, Sessions getting some minutes at SG, and McCallum over powering the depth chart

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He also has the opportunity to earn more as well with play that really helps a win-now team get it done

[SacKingZZZ]

Probably not wise to trade either right now and considering their value it's not like they'd get much for them anyway. I say let it play out and see what happens. If the idea was to maintain trade value the mistake was made from the day Nik was drafted with better value on the board at the time while onto a team that just used a top 10 pick on a player at the same position. The final nail was when the PG spot was boarded over so Nik can't get his minutes with Ben.

The good news is both are playing solid defense. Nik has been SCREWED on too many plays lately it's laughable. He's getting called for rookie style ghost fouls I swear. I hope he doesn't do a single thing different on defense because the only thing going on right now is the refs are being punks.

As for the final nail did you think Nik could get a look at PG for an extensive period over the coming years? I heard rumblings of that but I don't know if I personally see that

Chad Ford said Nik was disappointing so far.. It's tough having patience with young players, because you want early returns so to speak relative to their draft class. Its still early though

I never really believed it but both Malone and PDA were saying that's how it could work when Nik was drafted. When you are trying to win it's very tough to rely on young players. At least this is a team that doesn't really have to rely on the SG too much right now. If they do get rolling, which is usually tough for volume guys getting limited looks to find that rhythm, but if they do they'll help.

[SacKingZZZ]

http://cowbellkingdom.com/ben-mclemore-nik-stauskas-talk-slow-starts/

Ben
“(I) just try to find easy ways to score, try to create for myself and find the little things to do that,” McLemore explained of his strategy to bounce back. “Get myself out there, comfortable and ready to shoot. Just different ways, drawing fouls and getting to the foul line, fast break points, easy buckets just to get a rhythm going and help me get that shot.”


Nik
“I really don’t believe in slumps,” Stauskas explained to Cowbell Kingdom. “Here’s the way I look at it, if I take three shots in a game, and I miss all three shots, people consider that a slump. If you were just to go into practice and miss three shots in a row, you wouldn’t consider that a slump, would you? It’s all mental.”

Nik is kind of calling it for what it is. There is a reason role players that can impact a game without shooting, and when they do shoot, ones that can knock down shots with few looks are so special and important on true contenders. If that's what they want out of both of these guys, while it's certainly the right fit, I still think it's a bit like going to the Jaguar dealership to find a new riding lawnmower. They way overpaid for spot shooting role players.

[blind prophet]

The good thing with these 2 is, it's not a question of talent. It's just being aggressive, especially for Ben. Stop deferring to the Reggie Evans of the world. I want to see the B-Mac in the season finale against the Suns last year. He was in attack mode the entire game.

As far Nik goes, I'm worried. He'll get it because he a high level basketball IQ. He's struggling to find himself as many rookies do. I don't why people expect these guys to just come into the NBA and light it up. They're called rookies for a reason. This ain't Michiagn no more, and he will make the necessary adjustments once he figures what he needs to do.

When you are one of the bigger names in the draft, and you get an entire years shot, and you stink up the joint....What the hell do you expect?

Most legit talent shows something on day 1.

Did Cousins stink the day he walked on the court? Tyreke? IT? Walt Williams? Simmons? J Will? Kenny Smith? R Berry?

No, but the Douby's and other garbage did.

Who took a little time? Peja.

Who showed a little bit but took a little time Hedo.

[SacKingZZZ]

Just curious:

What's the reason for Nik's total lack of PT now? Seems some folks are OK with his defensive effort, so I'm assuming it's just not having any role in the offense? With the way DeMarcus and Rudy are rolling, you don't want to mess with what works.

"Patience please" is undoubtedly correct, but since I don't get to watch many Kings games, I'm just looking for some local fan info.

Mostly it's been fouls. Nik literally got like 3 fouls in less than 2 minutes in Denver. And honestly, 2 of the fouls were some of the worst rookie trolling calls I've ever seen. He played good aggressive defense and got boned.

[blind prophet]

Just curious:

What's the reason for Nik's total lack of PT now? Seems some folks are OK with his defensive effort, so I'm assuming it's just not having any role in the offense? With the way DeMarcus and Rudy are rolling, you don't want to mess with what works.

"Patience please" is undoubtedly correct, but since I don't get to watch many Kings games, I'm just looking for some local fan info.

We've needed defense more than scoring from the SG spot. Nik will get his shots this year, I'm not worried yet. I think he will fill in decently here off the bench comfortably within 10 games or so.

[SacKingZZZ]

The good thing with these 2 is, it's not a question of talent. It's just being aggressive, especially for Ben. Stop deferring to the Reggie Evans of the world. I want to see the B-Mac in the season finale against the Suns last year. He was in attack mode the entire game.

As far Nik goes, I'm worried. He'll get it because he a high level basketball IQ. He's struggling to find himself as many rookies do. I don't why people expect these guys to just come into the NBA and light it up. They're called rookies for a reason. This ain't Michiagn no more, and he will make the necessary adjustments once he figures what he needs to do.

When you are one of the bigger names in the draft, and you get an entire years shot, and you stink up the joint....What the hell do you expect?

Most legit talent shows something on day 1.

Did Cousins stink the day he walked on the court? Tyreke? IT? Walt Williams? Simmons? J Will?

No, but the Douby's and other garbage did.

Who took a little time? Peja.

Who showed a little bit but took a little time Hedo.

I see what you're saying but seriously, the players you mentioned did kind of get the car keys on day 1 right? Give any of those guys the leash these two have and then compare. Peja might be a decent comparison but he came from a system of pro ball already, so he was a little more advanced I think. Hedo was and is just a flat out complete player so it would be hard for him not to fit on any team out there.

[blind prophet]

The good thing with these 2 is, it's not a question of talent. It's just being aggressive, especially for Ben. Stop deferring to the Reggie Evans of the world. I want to see the B-Mac in the season finale against the Suns last year. He was in attack mode the entire game.

As far Nik goes, I'm worried. He'll get it because he a high level basketball IQ. He's struggling to find himself as many rookies do. I don't why people expect these guys to just come into the NBA and light it up. They're called rookies for a reason. This ain't Michiagn no more, and he will make the necessary adjustments once he figures what he needs to do.

When you are one of the bigger names in the draft, and you get an entire years shot, and you stink up the joint....What the hell do you expect?

Most legit talent shows something on day 1.

Did Cousins stink the day he walked on the court? Tyreke? IT? Walt Williams? Simmons? J Will?

No, but the Douby's and other garbage did.

Who took a little time? Peja.

Who showed a little bit but took a little time Hedo.

I see what you're saying but seriously, the players you mentioned did kind of get the car keys on day 1 right? Give any of those guys the leash these two have and then compare. Peja might be a decent comparison but he came from a system of pro ball already, so he was a little more advanced I think. Hedo was and is just a flat out complete player so it would be hard for him not to fit on any team out there.

True but McLemore has earned the right to be called trash. Now if he digs deep and makes something out of this great. Fine to have faith, fine to be patient, but a spade is a spade for now.

We've got nothing to lose using him as we are right now, there is no one else around. He has shown defensive improvements.

Have I completely given up on him? No, especially considering his athletic ability. Would I deal him if I found something I liked, in a heartbeat.

The old adage of don't sell low is bs. You take your chances, stay bold, trust your scouts, trust your instincts and swing for the fences. I'm tired of loser ball.