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bibby1023 wrote:I thnk it's missing an "i"

bibby1023 wrote:I thnk it's missing an "i"

SacKingZZZ wrote:I'd say time and a trade. This team still isn't the most balanced and could use a talent upgrade somewhere to replace what was lost in IT. Collison has made this team better but you can see the pressure that's put on Gay and Cousins to flat out dominate. Still looking around, I can't see anyone better than Smith at his likely asking price that could come in and bring a combo of both talent and defense as an unquestioned upgrade. Yes it's a gamble but this team doesn't have the assets to do anything else really.

Another name that would interest me is Dante Cunningham. Saw the headline that he's having a tough time getting back into the league and he could be a solid addition at SF/PF. He's a solid defender and a really strong dude. Good role player. The question is whether this team would be bumped up any from adding him though.

Wolfay wrote:Patience!!! The last thing Pete should do is make a knee jerk trade for a known poison like Josh Smith, when he and Vivek just finished clearing the whole franchise of the stench left over from the Maloofs. Let this current group develop together and get close to their full potential, and then can we assess what the team's needs are. We might not even need a trade to address those needs either. If this team keeps showing promise, combined with a new arena on the way and owners who know how to market their players, suddenly Sacramento becomes more attractive to free agents.

I know we're all anxious, but there's absolutely no need to rush things at this moment.

Kings2013 wrote:

SacKingZZZ wrote:I'd say time and a trade. This team still isn't the most balanced and could use a talent upgrade somewhere to replace what was lost in IT. Collison has made this team better but you can see the pressure that's put on Gay and Cousins to flat out dominate. Still looking around, I can't see anyone better than Smith at his likely asking price that could come in and bring a combo of both talent and defense as an unquestioned upgrade. Yes it's a gamble but this team doesn't have the assets to do anything else really.

Another name that would interest me is Dante Cunningham. Saw the headline that he's having a tough time getting back into the league and he could be a solid addition at SF/PF. He's a solid defender and a really strong dude. Good role player. The question is whether this team would be bumped up any from adding him though.

I was on the Smith wagon during the off season, but if he is going to come back under Van Gundy and still not play to an adequate level I don't know if I would take that chance anymore personally. You have to wonder how that would affect the chemistry. Offensively Cousins and Gay are in their wheelhouses so to speak, do they want to be limited further? We are possibly looking at more production from the SG position as we roll forward as well

Wolfay wrote:Patience!!! The last thing Pete should do is make a knee jerk trade for a known poison like Josh Smith, when he and Vivek just finished clearing the whole franchise of the stench left over from the Maloofs. Let this current group develop together and get close to their full potential, and then can we assess what the team's needs are. We might not even need a trade to address those needs either. If this team keeps showing promise, combined with a new arena on the way and owners who know how to market their players, suddenly Sacramento becomes more attractive to free agents.

I know we're all anxious, but there's absolutely no need to rush things at this moment.

SacKingZZZ wrote:

Kings2013 wrote:

SacKingZZZ wrote:I'd say time and a trade. This team still isn't the most balanced and could use a talent upgrade somewhere to replace what was lost in IT. Collison has made this team better but you can see the pressure that's put on Gay and Cousins to flat out dominate. Still looking around, I can't see anyone better than Smith at his likely asking price that could come in and bring a combo of both talent and defense as an unquestioned upgrade. Yes it's a gamble but this team doesn't have the assets to do anything else really.

Another name that would interest me is Dante Cunningham. Saw the headline that he's having a tough time getting back into the league and he could be a solid addition at SF/PF. He's a solid defender and a really strong dude. Good role player. The question is whether this team would be bumped up any from adding him though.

I was on the Smith wagon during the off season, but if he is going to come back under Van Gundy and still not play to an adequate level I don't know if I would take that chance anymore personally. You have to wonder how that would affect the chemistry. Offensively Cousins and Gay are in their wheelhouses so to speak, do they want to be limited further? We are possibly looking at more production from the SG position as we roll forward as well

OK, I know I've brought this up like 10 million times, but do you think situation has anything to do with it? That team is playing no differently, and using it's players no differently than last year. In fact, SVG has already gone back to using Smith at SF. If Smith is your number 1 I think you're screwed. We've seen him as a number 2/3 in Atlanta and he wasn't so bad. He played pretty well next to Joe Johnson and Al Horford. Hmmm... both those guys are somewhat similar to the Kings best two players don't you think? Skill wise at least. It's a gamble but playing at an adequate level in a situation that mixes with your skills and not being able to because the situation sucks and your role changes is the same thing that happened to Rudy Gay in Toronto. Since they had interest in Smith I'm going to give the Kings brass credit that they know how to use him too.

SacKingZZZ wrote:

Wolfay wrote:Patience!!! The last thing Pete should do is make a knee jerk trade for a known poison like Josh Smith, when he and Vivek just finished clearing the whole franchise of the stench left over from the Maloofs. Let this current group develop together and get close to their full potential, and then can we assess what the team's needs are. We might not even need a trade to address those needs either. If this team keeps showing promise, combined with a new arena on the way and owners who know how to market their players, suddenly Sacramento becomes more attractive to free agents.

I know we're all anxious, but there's absolutely no need to rush things at this moment.

I'm not disagreeing with that, and I'm sure that's what the Pistons are doing as well. Right now the good thing is the Kings have the momentum should the trade talks resume.

Free agency is a huge question mark though. Everyone is assuming that there will be a huge cap increase but even if there is the Kings are just going to be right in the thick of things with every other team. The Kings still have young players and their contracts coming up and they have to re-up Gay which if he keeps this up you're looking at a max contract. :lol:

City of Trees wrote:

SacKingZZZ wrote:

Kings2013 wrote:
I was on the Smith wagon during the off season, but if he is going to come back under Van Gundy and still not play to an adequate level I don't know if I would take that chance anymore personally. You have to wonder how that would affect the chemistry. Offensively Cousins and Gay are in their wheelhouses so to speak, do they want to be limited further? We are possibly looking at more production from the SG position as we roll forward as well

OK, I know I've brought this up like 10 million times, but do you think situation has anything to do with it? That team is playing no differently, and using it's players no differently than last year. In fact, SVG has already gone back to using Smith at SF. If Smith is your number 1 I think you're screwed. We've seen him as a number 2/3 in Atlanta and he wasn't so bad. He played pretty well next to Joe Johnson and Al Horford. Hmmm... both those guys are somewhat similar to the Kings best two players don't you think? Skill wise at least. It's a gamble but playing at an adequate level in a situation that mixes with your skills and not being able to because the situation sucks and your role changes is the same thing that happened to Rudy Gay in Toronto. Since they had interest in Smith I'm going to give the Kings brass credit that they know how to use him too.

Smith won't make the extra pass. Doesn't matter if he is the number 1 or number 4 option. If he makes that pass I'd say do it. But he doesnt, he ignores open teammates near the basket and Jacks up shots.

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Kings2013 wrote:

SacKingZZZ wrote:

Wolfay wrote:Patience!!! The last thing Pete should do is make a knee jerk trade for a known poison like Josh Smith, when he and Vivek just finished clearing the whole franchise of the stench left over from the Maloofs. Let this current group develop together and get close to their full potential, and then can we assess what the team's needs are. We might not even need a trade to address those needs either. If this team keeps showing promise, combined with a new arena on the way and owners who know how to market their players, suddenly Sacramento becomes more attractive to free agents.

I know we're all anxious, but there's absolutely no need to rush things at this moment.

I'm not disagreeing with that, and I'm sure that's what the Pistons are doing as well. Right now the good thing is the Kings have the momentum should the trade talks resume.

Free agency is a huge question mark though. Everyone is assuming that there will be a huge cap increase but even if there is the Kings are just going to be right in the thick of things with every other team. The Kings still have young players and their contracts coming up and they have to re-up Gay which if he keeps this up you're looking at a max contract. :lol:

Which is another strike against adding more salary if your talking about Williams or whatever for Smith