OT: Sacramento Media

Troubadour · Post #1 » by **Troubadour** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:24 pm

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/audio/the-grant-napear-show/the-grant-napear-show-december-29-2015/#.VoN_jvb5D9g.reddit

This guy makes it seem like all of Sacramento is turning on Cousins, which makes Raptors fans like myself pretty excited, but I doubt it means anything.

What's the vibe in the fanbase / media when it comes to Cousins?

Post #2 » by **City of Trees** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:46 pm

Fans are frustrated with Cousins actions when it hurts the team. Some welcome trade discussion's while others would rather fire Karl and reset this thing to try again. I don't see the city or team turning on Cuz, yet.

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jeffjtk1234 · Post #3 » by **jeffjtk1234** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:18 pm

His in game antics game in and game out are getting old. Whines after every single call. This year his effort hasn't been there game in and game out. The rest of this season is going to define his time here.

SacKingZZZ · Post #4 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:13 pm

Grant has been sandbagging Cuz since he was drafted. I'm sure he knows that Cuz is douche from his interaction but with Grant, lets just say it takes one to know one. :wink:

Kings2013 · Post #5 » by **Kings2013** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:45 am

jeffjtk1234 wrote: The rest of this season is going to define his time here.

Not for me if the same circumstances exist which may have caused the problems to date, like not liking and wanting to fight for the coach and being utilized improperly by the coach. Then the lack of effort might persist until Karl's gone

But I agree that public opinion is starting to sway more against Cuz, I still don't think the majority though.

A lot of folks on Grants show in favor of moving Cousins are looking to move a "cancerous" player somewhere for a large haul, you can figure out the paradox there

jeffjtk1234 · Post #6 » by **jeffjtk1234** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 3:11 am

Kings2013 wrote:
jeffjtk1234 wrote: The rest of this season is going to define his time here.

Not for me if the same circumstances exist which may have caused the problems to date, like not liking and wanting to fight for the coach and being utilized improperly by the coach. Then the lack of effort might persist until Karl's gone

But I agree that public opinion is starting to sway more against Cuz, I still don't think the majority though.

A lot of folks on Grants show in favor of moving Cousins are looking to move a "cancerous" player somewhere for a large haul, you can figure out the paradox there

The circumstances are part of the problem, but he complains about every call, whines non stop, and hasn't even given 100% effort this season. It's obvious. He may be hurt but I don't know.

Kings2013 · Post #7 » by **Kings2013** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 4:01 am

I think the media should be on a past his prime coach more than they are, personally

Grant refuses to entertain criticism of coaches on his show. He protected Corbin and Natt with the same "players play the game" stuff

Karl is underachieving with the roster pretty clearly in my eyes so far. Yet you wouldn't know that from the calls on that show. Although I agree Cousins can, and should, do better

Post #8 » by **Wolfay** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 4:20 am

Kings2013 wrote:I think the media should be on a past his prime coach more than they are

Grant refuses to entertain criticism of coaches on his show. He protected Corbin and Natt with the same "players play the game" stuff

Karl is underachieving with the roster pretty clearly in my eyes so far. Yet you wouldn't know that from the calls on that show

Karl has been a massive success everywhere he's been. He's a sure fire HOF'er. A legend. He has nothing to prove to you, or any of us, or especially a career malcontent and loser in Cousins. If Cousins doesn't show Karl any respect, then that's reflective of the kind of punk that Cousins apparently is, and absolutely nothing on Karl.

And frankly, those rushing to the defense of Cousins are showing what kind of people they are too.

Everybody knows how talented Cousins is, and how much potential he has at his fingertips, yet he pisses it away like it's nothing. It's despicable. He should be ashamed of what he's doing, but again, he doesn't care. His passion is phony, and nothing will force people to turn on you quicker.

Kings2013 · Post #9 » by **Kings2013** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 4:48 am

Wolfay wrote:
Kings2013 wrote:I think the media should be on a past his prime coach more than they are

Grant refuses to entertain criticism of coaches on his show. He protected Corbin and Natt with the same "players play the game" stuff

Karl is underachieving with the roster pretty clearly in my eyes so far. Yet you wouldn't know that from the calls on that show

Karl has been a massive success everywhere he's been. He's a sure fire HOF'er. A legend. He has nothing to prove to you, or any of us, or especially a career malcontent and loser in Cousins. If Cousins doesn't show Karl any respect, then that's reflective of the kind of punk that Cousins apparently is, and absolutely nothing on Karl.

And frankly, those rushing to the defense of Cousins are showing what kind of people they are too.

Everybody knows how talented Cousins is, and how much potential he has at his fingertips, yet he pisses it away like it's nothing. It's despicable. He should be ashamed of what he's doing, but again, he doesn't care. His passion is phony, and nothing will force people to turn on you quicker.

John Thompson is a legendary college coach too, but he probably wouldn't be hired at a reputable school about now, as he may be too old to be able to take the physical grind, have an emotional sway or intellectual grasp of this generation. That may or may not apply here I guess that is subjective.

What KArl has to prove to me is the team being on good as I think it is on paper. It isn't now.

We've been through the Cousins stuff. Whether you want to admit it or not, Karl crossed the personal line with Cousins this summer with the 'untradable' thing. It's why his agent hit back twice (before draft and FA), requested a trade, and why Karl had to apologize for it. Then he may not be playing a style of game suitable for Cuz. Cuz has voiced frustration that he isn't 100% keen on how he's being utilized but he's sucking it up to be "coachable." The Kings were 11-38 without Cuz a couple of weeks ago, the difference between competitive and a complete joke, one of the biggest impacts in the league IMO

Post #10 » by **City of Trees** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 4:51 am

Wolfay wrote:
Kings2013 wrote:I think the media should be on a past his prime coach more than they are

Grant refuses to entertain criticism of coaches on his show. He protected Corbin and Natt with the same "players play the game" stuff

Karl is underachieving with the roster pretty clearly in my eyes so far. Yet you wouldn't know that from the calls on that show

Karl has been a massive success everywhere he's been. He's a sure fire HOF'er. A legend. He has nothing to prove to you, or any of us, or especially a career malcontent and loser in Cousins. If Cousins doesn't show Karl any respect, then that's reflective of the kind of punk that Cousins apparently is, and absolutely nothing on Karl.

And frankly, those rushing to the defense of Cousins are showing what kind of people they are too.

Everybody knows how talented Cousins is, and how much potential he has at his fingertips, yet he pisses it away like it's nothing. It's despicable. He should be ashamed of what he's doing, but again, he doesn't care. His passion is phony, and nothing will force people to turn on you quicker.

I agree with what you said on Cousins but we disagree on Karl.

Karl is a HOF coach but he's no longer anywhere near the coach he USED to be. In my eyes, Karl has plenty to prove to you, me, Vlade, and Vivek. Prove that with all he's overcome there is a winning coach left in his forever changed body. Prove that his age won't hinder his abilities to coach a winning team. Prove the game has not passed him by. Prove he is the right coach to lead the Sacramento Kings. Cant live in the past on past successes. For me, I don't care what he's done in the past its all about what he does for the Kings. I've said it before this guy is a shell of who he once was. ..... Now cancer didn't rob Karl of his smarts but it takes more than possessing basketball knowledge to be an effective coach. IMO Karl's days as head coach have past him by and he'd better serve a team and himself as an assistant Head coach .

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Post #11 » by **Wolfay** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:01 am

Oh I see! So, "it's what have you done for me lately" with George Karl. Let me ask you, this, what has COUSINS done for you lately? Hm?

The double standard is ridiculous. I thought Kings fans were better than that.

Kings2013 · Post #12 » by **Kings2013** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:14 am

Wolfay wrote:Oh I see! So, "it's what have you done for me lately" with George Karl. Let me ask you, this, what has COUSINS done for you lately? Hm?

The double standard is ridiculous. I thought Kings fans were better than that.

I just alluded to it with the ridiculous without schedule over the last few years. Take the team from abominable to competitive but below average with zero supporting cast.

Karl only has a couple of years left at most IMO. Cousins is an issue for the next 10 years, and it is a big one

Post #13 » by **City of Trees** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:15 am

Wolfay wrote:Oh I see! So, "it's what have you done for me lately" with George Karl. Let me ask you, this, what has COUSINS done for you lately? Hm?

The double standard is ridiculous. I thought Kings fans were better than that.

I don't think this is directed at me as I agreed with your take on Cousins... I've also said in the past if Kings get rid of one they should get rid of both.

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Kings2013 · Post #14 » by **Kings2013** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:30 am

City of Trees wrote:
Wolfay wrote:Oh I see! So, "it's what have you done for me lately" with George Karl. Let me ask you, this, what has COUSINS done for you lately? Hm?

The double standard is ridiculous. I thought Kings fans were better than that.

I don't think this is directed at me as I agreed with your take on Cousins... I've also said in the past if Kings get rid of one they should get rid of both.

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Why wouldn't you give Cousins a chance under a coach he potentially didn't dislike or didn't fit stylistically with?

Post #15 » by **City of Trees** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:33 am

Kings2013 wrote:
City of Trees wrote:
Wolfay wrote:Oh I see! So, "it's what have you done for me lately" with George Karl. Let me ask you, this, what has COUSINS done for you lately? Hm?

The double standard is ridiculous. I thought Kings fans were better than that.

I don't think this is directed at me as I agreed with your take on Cousins... I've also said in the past if Kings get rid of one they should get rid of both.

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Why wouldn't you give Cousins a chance under a coach he potentially didn't dislike or didn't fit stylistically with?

Everyone has their number. Watching the guy play I'm just not committed to hitting a reset button with the coaching staff and trying again. I understand why you would be ok with trying a new coach tho.

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SacKingZZZ · Post #16 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:49 am

Wolfay wrote:Oh I see! So, "it's what have you done for me lately" with George Karl. Let me ask you, this, what has COUSINS done for you lately? Hm?

The double standard is ridiculous. I thought Kings fans were better than that.

George Karl should ask what Cousins has done for him lately. I guess Cousins could just let him find out what life would be like without him. Wait a minute... didn't we see that already? How did it look?

Karl is indeed a HOF coach, but you could chalk this up to just not being workable for anyone involved. Clearly, this isn't the right roster for Karl as much as he isn't the right coach for this roster. Two ways to go, so which way is it?

SacKingZZZ · Post #17 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:52 am

City of Trees wrote:
Kings2013 wrote:
City of Trees wrote:I don't think this is directed at me as I agreed with your take on Cousins... I've also said in the past if Kings get rid of one they should get rid of both.

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Why wouldn't you give Cousins a chance under a coach he potentially didn't dislike or didn't fit stylistically with?

Everyone has their number. Watching the guy play I'm just not committed to hitting a reset button with the coaching staff and trying again. I understand why you would be ok with trying a new coach tho.

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How about giving the GM the choice of finding HIS coach. You know, like every other team? This team is still caught in the backwards cycle of coach before GM. If we are talking about exhausting all possibilities then I'd say give that one a shot first. That or just give the whole show over to Karl and let him make the moves. The problem there is that by Karls own admission he doesn't really get into that side of things.

SacKingZZZ · Post #18 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:54 am

Kings2013 wrote:
City of Trees wrote:
Wolfay wrote:Oh I see! So, "it's what have you done for me lately" with George Karl. Let me ask you, this, what has COUSINS done for you lately? Hm?

The double standard is ridiculous. I thought Kings fans were better than that.

I don't think this is directed at me as I agreed with your take on Cousins... I've also said in the past if Kings get rid of one they should get rid of both.

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Why wouldn't you give Cousins a chance under a coach he potentially didn't dislike or didn't fit stylistically with?

Yeah, they gave the improbable chance of this working considering the rocky start the old college try, time for a pat on the back, break out the check book and try and build from it.

dozencousins · Post #19 » by **dozencousins** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 6:03 am

Lets keep this very real . The main issue is not Cousins .
The main issue is that Karl does not have hos teams respect & trust .
My source tells me that we are far closer to firing Karl than ever tough being honest it is still iffy as the Kings have gone through to many coaches to fast and Kings Organization cannot allow it's reputation be known as a revolving door for Coaches in this leauge as if so No Big Name Coach will ever want to Coach any Kings team
The Raiders had that issue in Football when Al Davis was the owner .

Kings need more Defensive minded players as we have alot of scorers .

Post #20 » by **City of Trees** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 2:16 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:
City of Trees wrote:
Kings2013 wrote:
Why wouldn't you give Cousins a chance under a coach he potentially didn't dislike or didn't fit stylistically with?

Everyone has their number. Watching the guy play I'm just not committed to hitting a reset button with the coaching staff and trying again. I understand why you would be ok with trying a new coach tho.

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How about giving the GM the choice of finding HIS coach. You know, like every other team? This team is still caught in the backwards cycle of coach before GM. If we are talking about exhausting all possibilities then I'd say give that one a shot first. That or just give the whole show over to Karl and let him make the moves. The problem there is that by Karls own admission he doesn't really get into that side of things.

I totally see your point of view and logically it makes sense... I've just reached that point where I'm throwing my hands in the air.

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