WOJ Kings thinking about firing Karl (Update pg. 3, It's happening per Stein)

blind prophet · Post #1 » by **blind prophet** » Sat Feb 6, 2016 7:38 am

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--kings-strongly-weighing-the-firing-of-coach-george-karl-071844118.html

Sources: Kings strongly weighing the firing of coach George Karl

Sacramento Kings owner Vivek Ranadive and general manager Vlade Divac were so livid about a blowout defeat to the Brooklyn Nets on Friday night – the franchise’s sixth loss in seven games – they were strongly weighing the firing of coach George Karl, league sources told The Vertical.

As hours passed following the 128-119 loss to the Nets, there were indications that Karl could be spared long enough to coach the Kings on Sunday in Boston. Nevertheless, Karl has rapidly lost support in management and some parts of the locker room, league sources told The Vertical.

SacKingZZZ · Post #2 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Feb 6, 2016 8:49 am

It's time. I think a comeback win or crushing defeat on sunday isn't good for anyone. If they fight hard because they are embarrassed about this loss and win it just delays the inevitable. If they get slammed and cement the decision to fire Karl you just wasted another game you could have used to adjust and killed just a little bit more hope with the players. The Nets game is the kind of loss you let work for you. I'm shocked they gave it this long.

SacSanity · Post #3 » by **SacSanity** » Sat Feb 6, 2016 8:57 am

Cousins plays in post 2 games in a row and scores 100+ points.

Karl: "You know, you did good Cousins, but how many 3's did you take in transition? I didn't like how you were constantly dominating in the paint. Let's not do that again".

I am done with this tool as a head coach. He doesn't understand how to adapt and I think time has passed him up.

teerfour+40LG · Post #4 » by **teerfour+40LG** » Sat Feb 6, 2016 8:58 am

I'd rather management take the players' side and give Karl a playoffs or bust ultimatum. Would that motivate him to change his systems though? He would get paid either way.

I think Thibs is the best coach available and maybe the only good coach available. We should handle the current situation in whatever way that would make Thibs most likely to coach this team.

SacKingZZZ · Post #5 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Feb 6, 2016 9:14 am

teerfour+40LG wrote:
I'd rather management take the players' side and give Karl a playoffs or bust ultimatum. Would that motivate him though? He will get paid either way.

I kind of think that was the tone from day 1, right? This was off to a rocky start from the get. The question is whether or not this is truly about motivation at all. Clearly, it's beyond that at this point and that's why Cousins pointed out what he did after the Nets game. Sure, the Kings can win when they literally play themselves into the ground, but the key in the NBA is finding out how to win without destroying yourself in the process. That's where game plan and strategy come into the picture.

It sounds like Karl is in for at least the Boston game, but I don't like the proposition myself. What's it going to prove? If they don't win that could crush their hopes, yes Karl would be gone, but so what? If they show some pride and win behind either a bad Boston game or ridiculous energy level what is that proving? They've had enough games to show they can't sustain it and that something is way wrong with HOW they are playing and with what they are doing out there on the floor. They've also shown they could rip off 8 in a row and just as easily follow it up with 10 losses afterward. They have to start looking at the season in it's totality, not stretches. And in totality relative to where they could and should be it has to be a major disappointment. The sins of preseason are still lingering.

In my opinion the momentum to make a change is now. Maybe that will add some needed energy to the Boston game. The truth is they desperately need that game at this point if they still have any hopes at the postseason. But even if they lose that's 1 extra game with a new coach and potentially a new game plan. Consider the rest of the road trip practice experience with the hopes that when you get home you can hopefully get on a roll.

blind prophet · Post #6 » by **blind prophet** » Sat Feb 6, 2016 9:57 am

Interesting reactions from a few people in woj's comment section. Maybe I'm wrong, but there was a lot of criticism for hiring Karl? Now that he has under performed, there is criticism potentially firing him.

bleeds_purple · Post #7 » by **bleeds_purple** » Sat Feb 6, 2016 10:32 am

Am I crazy to think, in the seemingly inevitable event that we do fire Karl, that we should let Rondo be the player coach?

Give him a defensive coordinator and let him run the show otherwise. I feel like the players would be far more accountable to Rondo than anyone else right now.

Yea. I'm probably crazy.

bleeds_purple · Post #8 » by **bleeds_purple** » Sat Feb 6, 2016 10:35 am

blind prophet wrote:Interesting reactions from a few people in woj's comment section. Maybe I'm wrong, but there was a lot of criticism for hiring Karl? Now that he has under performed, there is criticism potentially firing him.

The takeaway: people love to criticize. :lol:

Kings2013 · Post #9 » by **Kings2013** » Sat Feb 6, 2016 12:55 pm

teerfour+40LG wrote:I'd rather management take the players' side and give Karl a playoffs or bust ultimatum. Would that motivate him to change his systems though? He would get paid either way.

I think Thibs is the best coach available and maybe the only good coach available. We should handle the current situation in whatever way that would make Thibs most likely to coach this team.

Thibs will have his selection of where he wants to coach given that he is the consensus first option on the market, and it will be tough to see him choosing our situation and past history over the field.

Kings2013 · Post #10 » by **Kings2013** » Sat Feb 6, 2016 12:58 pm

Woj has been attacking us for the past couple of years it seems, even in that article he hast to say that Vivek was the inspiration for Malone's firing. The article is negative towards our position with Karl and is portraying us in the continued clown show way IMO.

Post #11 » by **City of Trees** » Sat Feb 6, 2016 2:17 pm

Yes people love to criticize.. I love how the national narrative is going "Sure Karl hasn't done a good job, BUT . . . ."

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Post #12 » by **Wolfay** » Sat Feb 6, 2016 4:55 pm

lol if you think changing the coach is going to do anything. Especially changing to a guy like Thibs, who'll coddle Cousins even less than Karl.

If they fire Karl, the ONLY option is Calipari.

Post #13 » by **Wolfay** » Sat Feb 6, 2016 4:57 pm

bleeds_purple wrote:Am I crazy to think, in the seemingly inevitable event that we do fire Karl, that we should let Rondo be the player coach?

Give him a defensive coordinator and let him run the show otherwise. I feel like the players would be far more accountable to Rondo than anyone else right now.

Yea. I'm probably crazy.

It's illegal under the CBA I think.

dozencousins · Post #14 » by **dozencousins** » Sat Feb 6, 2016 5:00 pm

I posted this info about a year ago & I am rewriting this so it may not be 100% word for word of what I stated back then .

Here is what happened .

1st Vivek hires Coach Malone before hiring a GM
2nd He hires a GM D'Lasandro
3rd he surrounded himself with mullin etc. ( bad advisors )

Now in the meantime of all of this had D'Lassandro had his way he would have hired the head coach himself which would have been KARL all along .
Because Vivek had already hired the Coach you can't just go out and fire not coaching a game .
in the meantime D'Lassandro & KARL maintained their relationship & constantly communicated with one another and it was understood between them that when D'Lassandro could gain more support from Vivek Kings would fire Malone & hire Karl.
Now Mullin & D'Lassandro kept complaining to Viveka about how the KIngs needed to be a running team that scores alot more to win & draw in the fans .
Problem from there is Vivek listened he fired Malone ( stupid move ) & agreed to hire Karl .

From there :

Vivek realizes he has been played from Mullin & D'Lassandro . Though he doesn't really fire the guys directly he tells both to take a hike & in the meantime stuck with Karl & his years remaining in contract . Vivek has other investors that are upset with him by going through so many coaches and costing alot of total $$$$$ . Not to mention that you look like an idiot to the whole leauge when you make such bad decisions , do things backwards & listen to the wrong people all that aside from the revolving door of coaches .
The biggest mistake Vivek did as an owner was firing Malone . One cannot ever say for sure but I am confident that if Vivek would have fired PETE & CHRIS kept Malone & hired Divac as the GM we would have been a playoff teal last year & or this year without all the drama .

To the now :

Now Kings will not keep Karl he is gone the question is will it be now , Sunday night - Monday morning , after our last game before all star break or after the season ?
Kings ownership does not want to fork out anymore serious $$$$ f or another coach in the middle of this season which means Corliss or Nancy would be interim coach if that happens .
From there Kings would once again revisit with Calapari , M.Jackson & some others to be head coach .

VIVEK'S best decision as a KINGS owner hiring MIKE MALONE
VIVEK'S worst decision as a KINGS owner was firing MIKE MALONE

You can quote me on that one !

Post #15 » by **City of Trees** » Sat Feb 6, 2016 5:59 pm

Wolfay wrote:lol if you think changing the coach is going to do anything. Especially changing to a guy like Thibs, who'll coddle Cousins even less than Karl.

If they fire Karl, the ONLY option is Calipari.

Firing Karl won't solve the Kings issues but its one of many steps that needs to be taken in order to fix this mess. Step 1: let your GM pick his coach.

Post #16 » by **City of Trees** » Sat Feb 6, 2016 6:10 pm

Saw this on Twitter. Its from a Nuggets fan when Karl was fired. EVERYONE READ THIS! sound familiar?

JDizzel3000 · Post #17 » by **JDizzel3000** » Sat Feb 6, 2016 6:47 pm

City of Trees wrote:Saw this on Twitter. Its from a Nuggets fan when Karl was fired. EVERYONE READ THIS! sound familiar?

How have the nuggets done since Karl left...?

Post #18 » by **City of Trees** » Sat Feb 6, 2016 7:23 pm

JDizzel3000 wrote:
City of Trees wrote:Saw this on Twitter. Its from a Nuggets fan when Karl was fired. EVERYONE READ THIS! sound familiar?

How have the nuggets done since Karl left...?

Before I go there answer me this: do you see the similarities with the post and the current Kings situation?

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SacKingZZZ · Post #19 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Feb 6, 2016 9:14 pm

Wolfay wrote:lol if you think changing the coach is going to do anything. Especially changing to a guy like Thibs, who'll coddle Cousins even less than Karl.

If they fire Karl, the ONLY option is Calipari.

No, the other option is to find a guy that decides to play the exact way Karl won't. That's a good start.

JDizzel3000 · Post #20 » by **JDizzel3000** » Sat Feb 6, 2016 9:17 pm

City of Trees wrote:
JDizzel3000 wrote:
City of Trees wrote:Saw this on Twitter. Its from a Nuggets fan when Karl was fired. EVERYONE READ THIS! sound familiar?

How have the nuggets done since Karl left...?

Before I go there answer me this: do you see the similarities with the post and the current Kings situation?

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I see similarities between that post and plenty of disgruntled fans post .... Same thing happened with thibbs in Chicago .... And he was actually winning games .... It's easy to complain