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[Sactowndog]

So apples to apples, rookie contracts #1 pick gets 1st Year Salary:$5,855,200.

I have no problem with the contract as long as he is twice as good as Karl-Anthony Towns, Anthony Davis and John Wall.

That logic makes no sense because if those players were allowed to negotiate they would make more than 3/ $36m

Agreed, and as long as we are talking logic and not emotion, it makes as much sense as paying $12M when you only needed to pay $6M.

I think the wanted to get him over here and starting to learn the Kings system. According to Voison, he is going to play summer league. It will be an introduction to the Kings schemes and help him hit the ground running. Might be worth the 6M or so to have a good start.

[City of Trees]

That logic makes no sense because if those players were allowed to negotiate they would make more than 3/ $36m

Agreed, and as long as we are talking logic and not emotion, it makes as much sense as paying $12M when you only needed to pay $6M.

I think the wanted to get him over here and starting to learn the Kings system. According to Voison, he is going to play summer league. It will be an introduction to the Kings schemes and help him hit the ground running. Might be worth the 6M or so to have a good start.

I thought she said he will be in SL attendance but wont play?

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[benchmobbin02]

Agreed, and as long as we are talking logic and not emotion, it makes as much sense as paying $12M when you only needed to pay $6M.

But BB knows his value in the market. Just because he has no choice in who he signs with in the NBA this year doesn't mean you insult him by offering him a deal clearly under his talent level because that was was the level an inferior league paid him at. You give him market value and start the relationship off right.

Okay - I am clearly in the minority on this one

But I don't think you are insulting him if you give him more than he can make in Europe...

It's insulting to not give him fair market value.

[dckingsfan]

But BB knows his value in the market. Just because he has no choice in who he signs with in the NBA this year doesn't mean you insult him by offering him a deal clearly under his talent level because that was was the level an inferior league paid him at. You give him market value and start the relationship off right.

Okay - I am clearly in the minority on this one

But I don't think you are insulting him if you give him more than he can make in Europe...

It's insulting to not give him fair market value.

Its a business and there would be nothing insulting about the offer - by definition it isn't insulting - it is more than he would make elsewhere

[City of Trees]

Okay - I am clearly in the minority on this one

But I don't think you are insulting him if you give him more than he can make in Europe...

It's insulting to not give him fair market value.

Its a business and there would be nothing insulting about the offer - by definition it isn't insulting - it is more than he would make elsewhere

Great. If you were GM you'd alienate the guy and Bogdan would stay in Europe. Congrats.

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[benchmobbin02]

Okay - I am clearly in the minority on this one

But I don't think you are insulting him if you give him more than he can make in Europe...

It's insulting to not give him fair market value.

Its a business and there would be nothing insulting about the offer - by definition it isn't insulting - it is more than he would make elsewhere

If you don't think players can be insulted by teams offering them a deal lower than their market value(especially in this kind of situation where we are the only bidder on this level), there is no use even discussing this with you.

[Call Me Geoff]

And there is a reason that if Bogdan Bogdanović signs 3yr/36mill$ contract with Kings, will be highest paid rookie (per season) in NBA history. It is because it isn't an good deal (for the Kings anyway).

It's not a good deal for the Kings, it's a great deal.
This is the type of deal that lines up with the other young guys very well.
Here is an exercise, after this FA come up with a list of all players signed in the last 2 off season under 11m that are better than BB. I think you will be surprised.

So apples to apples, rookie contracts #1 pick gets 1st Year Salary:$5,855,200.

I have no problem with the contract as long as he is twice as good as Karl-Anthony Towns, Anthony Davis and John Wall.

This is flawed. Bogdanovic played over seas to avoid the rookie pay scale. He would have easily gotten a large raise with a commitment to stay at Fenerbache. The European contracts are valued much differently. Their values are posted after fees are paid, taxes are paid, agents are paid, etc. So when you see a player sign for $5m European think of it as after tax income. Then compare.

[Sir Psycho Sexy]

[dckingsfan]

It's not a good deal for the Kings, it's a great deal.
This is the type of deal that lines up with the other young guys very well.
Here is an exercise, after this FA come up with a list of all players signed in the last 2 off season under 11m that are better than BB. I think you will be surprised.

So apples to apples, rookie contracts #1 pick gets 1st Year Salary:$5,855,200.

I have no problem with the contract as long as he is twice as good as Karl-Anthony Towns, Anthony Davis and John Wall.

This is flawed. Bogdanovic played over seas to avoid the rookie pay scale. He would have easily gotten a large raise with a commitment to stay at Fenerbache. The European contracts are valued much differently. Their values are posted after fees are paid, taxes are paid, agents are paid, etc. So when you see a player sign for $5m European think of it as after tax income. Then compare.

Hmmm, I agreed with you but now that I am doing the research, this turns out not to be the case. So, the biggest salaries are roughly 3M€ = 3 x 1.14 = $3.43M
Adjust for taxes in Serbia
$3.43M * .75 = $2.57M
$2.57M/.5 (US Taxes) ~ $5.15M

So, anything over $6M is better than he could make in Europe - higher than I though. 12M = competing against yourself.

[City of Trees]

So apples to apples, rookie contracts #1 pick gets 1st Year Salary:$5,855,200.

I have no problem with the contract as long as he is twice as good as Karl-Anthony Towns, Anthony Davis and John Wall.

This is flawed. Bogdanovic played over seas to avoid the rookie pay scale. He would have easily gotten a large raise with a commitment to stay at Fenerbache. The European contracts are valued much differently. Their values are posted after fees are paid, taxes are paid, agents are paid, etc. So when you see a player sign for $5m European think of it as after tax income. Then compare.

Hmmm, I agreed with you but now that I am doing the research, this turns out not to be the case. So, the biggest salaries are roughly 3M€ = 3 x 1.14 = $3.43M
Adjust for taxes in Serbia
$3.43M * .75 = $2.57M
$2.57M/.5 (US Taxes) ~ $5.15M

So, anything over $6M is better than he could make in Europe - higher than I though. 12M = competing against yourself.

this will be my last post since I feel it's going in circles.

Now factor in motivation to move to a foreign country, giving up his Stardom, and leaving his friends and family.

Fact is we weren't in the negotiations. Bogdonavic could have declined to play and the Kings could have lost out on him. Obviously $6M wasn't gonna fly.

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[dckingsfan]

This is flawed. Bogdanovic played over seas to avoid the rookie pay scale. He would have easily gotten a large raise with a commitment to stay at Fenerbache. The European contracts are valued much differently. Their values are posted after fees are paid, taxes are paid, agents are paid, etc. So when you see a player sign for $5m European think of it as after tax income. Then compare.

Hmmm, I agreed with you but now that I am doing the research, this turns out not to be the case. So, the biggest salaries are roughly 3M€ = 3 x 1.14 = $3.43M
Adjust for taxes in Serbia
$3.43M * .75 = $2.57M
$2.57M/.5 (US Taxes) ~ $5.15M

So, anything over $6M is better than he could make in Europe - higher than I though. 12M = competing against yourself.

Now factor in motivation to move to a foreign country, giving up his Stardom, and leaving his friends and family.

Fact is we weren't in the negotiations. Bogdonavic could have declined to play and the Kings could have lost out on him. Obviously $6M wasn't gonna fly.

Fair enough... but $12

[City of Trees]

Hmmm, I agreed with you but now that I am doing the research, this turns out not to be the case. So, the biggest salaries are roughly 3M€ = 3 x 1.14 = $3.43M
Adjust for taxes in Serbia
$3.43M * .75 = $2.57M
$2.57M/.5 (US Taxes) ~ $5.15M

So, anything over $6M is better than he could make in Europe - higher than I though. 12M = competing against yourself.

Now factor in motivation to move to a foreign country, giving up his Stardom, and leaving his friends and family.

Fact is we weren't in the negotiations. Bogdonavic could have declined to play and the Kings could have lost out on him. Obviously $6M wasn't gonna fly.

Fair enough... but $12

Hey I'd remember this thread if I were you. If you're right this is one hell of a bump thread.

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[EuropeanBball]

@dckings fan
You cant count taxes from Serbia, he is playing in Turkey. And you obviously didnt understand, if he is payed 3M in Europe, thats it, he is going to make 3 milions, taxes & staf like that are covered by club.

[dckingsfan]

@dckings fan
You cant count taxes from Serbia, he is playing in Turkey. And you obviously didnt understand, if he is payed 3M in Europe, thats it, he is going to make 3 milions, taxes & staf like that are covered by club.

Ah, then I was high - 35% vs. 25% in Serbia. But alas, that probably doesn't matter.

I did understand what you were saying - but my research didn't agree with your statement. "Some" clubs pay the taxes but not all, from what I understand. And yes they do receive expenses, but NBA players also receive per diem. I believe from what I researched, the athlete still pays a 15% tax.

Still - no matter how you spin it - we overpaid at $12M.

[benchmobbin02]

@dckings fan
You cant count taxes from Serbia, he is playing in Turkey. And you obviously didnt understand, if he is payed 3M in Europe, thats it, he is going to make 3 milions, taxes & staf like that are covered by club.

Ah, then I was high - 35% vs. 25% in Serbia. But alas, that probably doesn't matter.

I did understand what you were saying - but my research didn't agree with your statement. "Some" clubs pay the taxes but not all, from what I understand. And yes they do receive expenses, but NBA players also receive per diem. I believe from what I researched, the athlete still pays a 15% tax.

Still - no matter how you spin it - we overpaid at $12M.

No, we didn't. You just don't understand market value and/or have dug your heels in and are too big headed to admit you're wrong.

What he was paid in Europe DOESN'T MATTER. Completely different market.

What his value is compared to NBA players, salaries, potential, skills, production and progression does.

[madskillz8]

Well, 12M per year is above my expectations (was expecting in between 8-10M) while it's a fair market value for him. As benchmobbin02 suggested market value is an important thing while negotiating a deal with a guy- who's already making big amounts of money- to make such important adjustments for his career. He's a star in an important competition and fans were adoring him. It's hard to value such things by dollars. We'll better evaluate this at the end of next season, for now it's not an looking as an overpay.

[dckingsfan]

@dckings fan
You cant count taxes from Serbia, he is playing in Turkey. And you obviously didnt understand, if he is payed 3M in Europe, thats it, he is going to make 3 milions, taxes & staf like that are covered by club.

Ah, then I was high - 35% vs. 25% in Serbia. But alas, that probably doesn't matter.

I did understand what you were saying - but my research didn't agree with your statement. "Some" clubs pay the taxes but not all, from what I understand. And yes they do receive expenses, but NBA players also receive per diem. I believe from what I researched, the athlete still pays a 15% tax.

Still - no matter how you spin it - we overpaid at $12M.

No, we didn't. You just don't understand market value and/or have dug your heels in and are too big headed to admit you're wrong.

What he was paid in Europe DOESN'T MATTER. Completely different market.

What his value is compared to NBA players, salaries, potential, skills, production and progression does.

I may have dug my heals in - but not because I am afraid to admit I am wrong. More like I am stubborn and think I am right.

I think he is overpaid even by the production he had in Europe and how other Europeans with similar stats have translated.

But let's agree to disagree and revisit in a year. I don't think I am changing any opinions here - and mine isn't going to change - so as someone said, we are going in circles.

[benchmobbin02]

Ah, then I was high - 35% vs. 25% in Serbia. But alas, that probably doesn't matter.

I did understand what you were saying - but my research didn't agree with your statement. "Some" clubs pay the taxes but not all, from what I understand. And yes they do receive expenses, but NBA players also receive per diem. I believe from what I researched, the athlete still pays a 15% tax.

Still - no matter how you spin it - we overpaid at $12M.

No, we didn't. You just don't understand market value and/or have dug your heels in and are too big headed to admit you're wrong.

What he was paid in Europe DOESN'T MATTER. Completely different market.

What his value is compared to NBA players, salaries, potential, skills, production and progression does.

I may have dug my heals in - but not because I am afraid to admit I am wrong. More like I am stubborn and think I am right.

I think he is overpaid even by the production he had in Europe and how other Europeans with similar stats have translated.

But let's agree to disagree and revisit in a year. I don't think I am changing any opinions here - and mine isn't going to change - so as someone said, we are going in circles.

But you're still comparing him to other Euros when there is no good comparison because of production, age, accolades and rate of salary increase in the league all weighing in. The team rightly took those things and comped him with contracts signed by other SG-SFs of a similar age and skillset and came up with a fair contract. The market and rate of pay increases according to last years gains.

[codydaze]

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3 years $27 million sounds a lot better if true. Even if fully guaranteed.


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[EuropeanBball]

Interesting facts:
Both Vlade Divac and Bogdan Bogdanovic played for Partizan Belgrade (Vlade from 1986 to 1989, Bogdan 2010-2014). Both was drafted when they was players of Partizan. In Partizan, both was coached by same head coach - Dusko Vujosevic.