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Hi, just trying to create a realistic discussion here and not trolling/baiting etc.. this is a discussion that may happen between the two organisations in the near future with Cousins having 2 seasons left on his contract and all the previous trade rumors etc..
What do you guys need? Or what will the front office need for DMC?
Celtics have:
*2017 Brooklyn pick swap
*Jaylen Brown #3 2016 Brooklyn pick
*Marcus Smart #6 2014 draft pick (probable future All defensive team player, offense is coming along slowly but steadily).
*Terry Rozier #16 2015 draft pick (looks very good so far in his second year).
*Avery Bradley (All defensive first team player 2016)
*Jae Crowder.
*2018 Brooklyn first round pick unprotected.
*bunch of 2nd round picks
*2019 Memphis 1st round pick (protections in top 8 for first 2 years)
*2019 Clippers first round pick (not very valuable because changes to 2nd rounder if not conveyed by 2020 and is top 14 protected till 2020)

You'll obviously want the 2017 Brooklyn pick.
I think you'd also want guys to come in and change the culture a bit right?
So at least one or two of Smart/Crowder/Bradley and then the 2017 Brooklyn pick+ other picks/players?

From the Celtics perspective, it's likely that Danny Ainge is also trying to acquire a scoring wing ala Jimmy Butler, and he'll need some kind of valuable asset/s to offer the Bulls if the Rondo/Wade/Butler experiment blows up...so keep that in mind (not that it matters to you guys, but Ainge will be negotiating with that in mind).

So what combo of the above do you think you'd need to give up DMC?

All of it.

Seriously though, they need a complete collapse from Sacramento this season because without it, it's unlikely the Kings look to move Cousins for anything.

First we'd have to win less than 38 games before this gets entertained. So now I'll play along I'd demand crowder/Bradley/17' Nets and 18' Nets. Otherwise I call LA and get Ingram and a top 3 17'pick


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Jkam31 wrote:First we'd have to win less than 38 games before this gets entertained. So now I'll play along I'd demand crowder/Bradley/17' Nets and 18' Nets. Otherwise I call LA and get Ingram and a top 3 17'pick


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I think the picks are okay. I think we'd be pretty adamant on keeping one of Bradley or Crowder for a championship attempt. (We'd probably need one of them in a Butler trade).
Thanks for the feedback.

Just out of interest. . How many wins yall' looking at this year?

robbie84 wrote:

Jkam31 wrote:First we'd have to win less than 38 games before this gets entertained. So now I'll play along I'd demand crowder/Bradley/17' Nets and 18' Nets. Otherwise I call LA and get Ingram and a top 3 17'pick


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I think the picks are okay. I think we'd be pretty adamant on keeping one of Bradley or Crowder for a championship attempt. (We'd probably need one of them in a Butler trade).
Thanks for the feedback.

Just out of interest. . How many wins yall' looking at this year?

I think we get 39-45 wins we are gonna be a good defensive team and have solid vets.

And I'd probably still do the same deal if Smart was there instead is Bradley but again I'm not trading DMC unless he makes it clear he's out.

And heads up a week ago DMC came out and said how much he love it in Sacramento and it's whee he wants to go. Barring a major collapse Boston fans should move on


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Jkam31 wrote:

robbie84 wrote:

Jkam31 wrote:First we'd have to win less than 38 games before this gets entertained. So now I'll play along I'd demand crowder/Bradley/17' Nets and 18' Nets. Otherwise I call LA and get Ingram and a top 3 17'pick


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I think the picks are okay. I think we'd be pretty adamant on keeping one of Bradley or Crowder for a championship attempt. (We'd probably need one of them in a Butler trade).
Thanks for the feedback.

Just out of interest. . How many wins yall' looking at this year?

I think we get 39-45 wins we are gonna be a good defensive team and have solid vets.

And I'd probably still do the same deal if Smart was there instead is Bradley but again I'm not trading DMC unless he makes it clear he's out.

And heads up a week ago DMC came out and said how much he love it in Sacramento and it's whee he wants to go. Barring a major collapse Boston fans should move on


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I do not see the kings making the playoffs this year, or even the next when cousins is an expiring. Even if the kings were able to get into the playofs, it would most likely be as an 8th seed. Why would cousins, who has never made the playoffs in his sacramento tenure want to stay, especially for an owner who seems to have zero clue to what he is doing, and another key piece of the team in rudy gay wanting out? 42 wins is gonna make cousins want to stay? Keep in mind the kings also do not have a 2018 draft pick thanks to the brilliant nick stauskas trade.

Those two brooklyn picks plus filler would be imo his current value, assuming there is a high chance he re-signs with boston. Maybe add one of crowder or bradley, but if I am boston would insist on keeping both and giving maybe one of brown or smart instead. I personally cannot think of a better feasible offer than that, and the lakers draft pick situation is a little difficult.

SF_Warriors wrote:

Jkam31 wrote:

robbie84 wrote:
I think the picks are okay. I think we'd be pretty adamant on keeping one of Bradley or Crowder for a championship attempt. (We'd probably need one of them in a Butler trade).
Thanks for the feedback.

Just out of interest. . How many wins yall' looking at this year?

I think we get 39-45 wins we are gonna be a good defensive team and have solid vets.

And I'd probably still do the same deal if Smart was there instead is Bradley but again I'm not trading DMC unless he makes it clear he's out.

And heads up a week ago DMC came out and said how much he love it in Sacramento and it's whee he wants to go. Barring a major collapse Boston fans should move on


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I do not see the kings making the playoffs this year, or even the next when cousins is an expiring. Even if the kings were able to get into the playofs, it would most likely be as an 8th seed. Why would cousins, who has never made the playoffs in his sacramento tenure want to stay, especially for an owner who seems to have zero clue to what he is doing, and another key piece of the team in rudy gay wanting out? 42 wins is gonna make cousins want to stay? Keep in mind the kings also do not have a 2018 draft pick thanks to the brilliant nick stauskas trade.

Those two brooklyn picks plus filler would be imo his current value, assuming there is a high chance he re-signs with boston. Maybe add one of crowder or bradley, but if I am boston would insist on keeping both and giving maybe one of brown or smart instead. I personally cannot think of a better feasible offer than that, and the lakers draft pick situation is a little difficult.

If our pick is outside the top 10 then we don't have a 2018 pick but that's because of the JJ Hickson trade. 2018 is a swap with Philly if we're in the top 10. 2019 on the other hand is an uprotected to Philly regardless. So you're right, just a year later.

I think Cousins is a loyal dude and while everyone assumes he's just going to bolt, I wouldn't be surprised to see him stay put. Is it in his best interest to leave? Probably. That doesn't mean it will happen though.

SacKingZZZ wrote:All of it.

Seriously though, they need a complete collapse from Sacramento this season because without it, it's unlikely the Kings look to move Cousins for anything.

I'm working on a mock off-season for all 30 teams and the Cousins trade is giving me the most difficulty because Boston has already traded for Nerlens Noel in the regular season probably making a Cousins deal unlikely. The Kings finished with the 8th worst record, the only in-season deal they made was Rudy Gay to OKC, Enes Kanter/Ben McLemore to Portland and Allen Crabbe to Sacramento. The Kings post-lottery have the 3rd overall draft pick.

I don't think any deal with Boston would happen at this point . If the Kings traded Cuz it would likely be at trade deadline . If a deal happens for Cuz Boston would have to unload the farm . Aside from Bradley Boston does not have any actual players the Kings want not counting Horford which won't happen .
Most other teams would have to offer many picks , youth & or expirings in any combinations there of .

If the Kings did trade Cousins that means we are in full youth Mode and in full youth movement for Coach J to have full control over his players to buy into his system as it is far easier to get players whom are rookies to 3-4 year players to not only buy into your system but to follow your teaching rather than bad habits you have been doing for many years as at that point it is far less likely that they change those habits thus not doing what Coach J wants . So if Cousins gets traded we are likely going full rebuild mode . Could get a star or two in return however I feel that is not that likely .

Cuz is staying put .

dozencousins wrote:I don't think any deal with Boston would happen at this point . If the Kings traded Cuz it would likely be at trade deadline . If a deal happens for Cuz Boston would have to unload the farm . Aside from Bradley Boston does not have any actual players the Kings want not counting Horford which won't happen .
Most other teams would have to offer many picks , youth & or expirings in any combinations there of .

If the Kings did trade Cousins that means we are in full youth Mode and in full youth movement for Coach J to have full control over his players to buy into his system as it is far easier to get players whom are rookies to 3-4 year players to not only buy into your system but to follow your teaching rather than bad habits you have been doing for many years as at that point it is far less likely that they change those habits thus not doing what Coach J wants . So if Cousins gets traded we are likely going full rebuild mode . Could get a star or two in return however I feel that is not that likely .

Cuz is staying put .

So based upon the details of my mock off-season being..

1. In-season during 2016-17, the Kings made a multi-team deal sending out Rudy Gay and Ben McLemore for Allen Crabbe.
2. The Kings finished with the 8th worst record in the NBA.
3. The Kings finished with the 3rd overall draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft after the draft lottery.

If Markelle Fultz and Harry Giles went 1 and 2 in the draft, would the Kings just draft Josh Jackson and delay the Cousins trade decision until the 2018 trade deadline?

C-DeMarcus Cousins
PF-Free Agent
SF-Josh Jackson
SG-Allen Crabbe
PG-Free Agent
6th Man: WCS

sportscrazy wrote:So based upon the details of my mock off-season being..

1. In-season during 2016-17, the Kings made a multi-team deal sending out Rudy Gay and Ben McLemore for Allen Crabbe.
2. The Kings finished with the 8th worst record in the NBA.
3. The Kings finished with the 3rd overall draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft after the draft lottery.

If Markelle Fultz and Harry Giles went 1 and 2 in the draft, would the Kings just draft Josh Jackson and delay the Cousins trade decision until the 2018 trade deadline?

C-DeMarcus Cousins
PF-Free Agent
SF-Josh Jackson
SG-Allen Crabbe
PG-Free Agent
6th Man: WCS

Dont forget the swap with Philly. They will have to go 1 or 2 in that draft. Otherwise the Kings pick lower than 3.

enderwilson wrote:

sportscrazy wrote:So based upon the details of my mock off-season being..

1. In-season during 2016-17, the Kings made a multi-team deal sending out Rudy Gay and Ben McLemore for Allen Crabbe.
2. The Kings finished with the 8th worst record in the NBA.
3. The Kings finished with the 3rd overall draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft after the draft lottery.

If Markelle Fultz and Harry Giles went 1 and 2 in the draft, would the Kings just draft Josh Jackson and delay the Cousins trade decision until the 2018 trade deadline?

C-DeMarcus Cousins
PF-Free Agent
SF-Josh Jackson
SG-Allen Crabbe
PG-Free Agent
6th Man: WCS

Dont forget the swap with Philly. They will have to go 1 or 2 in that draft. Otherwise the Kings pick lower than 3.

Yep, it goes..
1. Celtics via Nets
2. 76ers
3. Kings

It's definitely in everybody's best interest that cousins moves on and the bring in a whole new cast of guys in to leave the ugly past behind. I would like to see them start out horribly, and be forced to make the move instead of collecting another mid-late lottery pick because as it stands right now, no free agent will ever be lining up to play with cousins there.

If they can tank and have their pick in the top 5, as well as get another pick in that range(bkn pick), and brown, they should do it without hesitation.

Brown, wcs, and two top picks in this draft is a quick turn around to a bright future. Kofous, gay, collisons, and caspi could bring in some young assets as well.

I think Cousins is off, if the Kings get Dragic.

Vivek, like Cuban, is finally figuring it out. Karl, Pete are gone, Joerger's a good coach.

Dragic/Afflalo in the backcourt, Cassipi at the 3, Cousins/Koufos/WCS up front treads enough water, especially in the west, that Sacramento probably comes close to the playoffs.

But if Skal was a nice pick, and WCS is a nice prospect, trading Chriss for Papagiannis is going to be an all-time disaster if the guy can't get in shape. You could look to trade Cauley-Stein+ for a small forward or power forward..

Or Dragic/Mclemore/Afflalo on the perimeter, Cousins/Koufos up front.

Looking like you're going to be able to maneuver just enough to stay above water.

Then again, Minnesota made some moves like that around Garnett and it just stopped the bleeding for a year or two.

Andrew McCeltic wrote:I think Cousins is off, if the Kings get Dragic.

Vivek, like Cuban, is finally figuring it out. Karl, Pete are gone, Joerger's a good coach.

Dragic/Afflalo in the backcourt, Cassipi at the 3, Cousins/Koufos/WCS up front treads enough water, especially in the west, that Sacramento probably comes close to the playoffs.

But if Skal was a nice pick, and WCS is a nice prospect, trading Chriss for Papagiannis is going to be an all-time disaster if the guy can't get in shape. You could look to trade Cauley-Stein+ for a small forward or power forward..

Or Dragic/Mclemore/Afflalo on the perimeter, Cousins/Koufos up front.

Looking like you're going to be able to maneuver just enough to stay above water.

Then again, Minnesota made some moves like that around Garnett and it just stopped the bleeding for a year or two.

I think the Chriss trade was more about Bogdan Bogdanovic than anything. It sounds like Bogdanovic is the SG of the future for the Kings. I guess Dragic and Bogdanovic is a nice combo moving forward.

Ok OP I'll give you a real answer

Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart, 2017 Boston 1st+ Brooklyn Swap Rights, 2018 Brooklyn 1st, 2019 Memphis 1st, and whatever salary filler necessary.

For Boogie and any other salary filler necessary to make the deal happen with the exception of the following players:

Rudy Gay, WCS, Kosta Koufos, Skal Labissiere, Malachi Richardson

As far as I'm concerned you can have anybody else on the roster. They all are going to need to go anyway in this scenario.


If you guys refuse to include Marcus Smart, then you're going to have to give us Terry Rozier and include additional picks or prospects. For example, I would take Rozier and either Abdel Nader or Guerschon Yabusele if Smart is not involved. But I really would want Smart and Brown in addition to the picks.

Vlade has **** this team. The worst part is everybody saw it but him as soon as he made that deal with Philly. He wanted to create cap to sign a point guard that was becoming more and more washed up with attitude problems to boot to a one year deal. You can't possibly spin it to make that move look good with all the swaps and picks that went out for such a bad player.

Coincidentally that pick we gave up is the year after Cousins contract expires... I still can't believe he did that. Tanking isn't an option so trading Cousins isn't an option. Unless of course you're sending back star talent, which you aren't.

The worst possible outcome, which has a decent probability of happening. Is being too good to get this years pick, but not good enough to make noise in the playoffs. Not being good next season as per usual, being forced to trade cousins for lower value, or even worse just straight up losing him in free agency.

Then have to be the worst team in the nba for a season, get a top 3 pick that goes to Philly.

tyguy wrote:Vlade has **** this team. The worst part is everybody saw it but him as soon as he made that deal with Philly. He wanted to create cap to sign a point guard that was becoming more and more washed up with attitude problems to boot to a one year deal. You can't possibly spin it to make that move look good with all the swaps and picks that went out for such a bad player.

Coincidentally that pick we gave up is the year after Cousins contract expires... I still can't believe he did that. Tanking isn't an option so trading Cousins isn't an option. Unless of course you're sending back star talent, which you aren't.

The worst possible outcome, which has a decent probability of happening. Is being too good to get this years pick, but not good enough to make noise in the playoffs. Not being good next season as per usual, being forced to trade cousins for lower value, or even worse just straight up losing him in free agency.

Then have to be the worst team in the nba for a season, get a top 3 pick that goes to Philly.

I agree with the first half of what you said, but I disagree with you about the Kings' inability to tank. There's an easy fix for that. Take a look at our current situation pick-wise:

2017: Owe 1st round pick to Chicago (Top 10 protected) AND Pick Swap with Philadelphia

2018: Own our own pick outright

2019: Owe 1st round pick to Philadelphia (Unprotected)

Now, on the surface, that looks like a complete disaster. Mostly because it is. But there is a way to work around that.

If the Kings do the logical thing and trade Boogie to Boston, we can fix this entire situation. Here are the assets that Boston has available to trade pick-wise:

2017: Their own 1st round pick AND Pick Swap with Brooklyn

2018: Their own 1st round pick AND Brooklyn's 1st round pick (Unprotected)

2019: Their own 1st round pick AND Memphis' 1st round pick (Protected 1-8 in 2019, 1-6 in 2020, and Unprotected in 2021) AND Clippers' 1st round pick (Lottery protected)

The Celtics also have a ton of players and prospects that are enticing for the Kings.

So, if the Kings send Boogie to Boston, we could hypothetically get a package in return that could look something like:

Marcus Smart, Jaylen Brown, Amir Johnson, 2017 Brooklyn pick, 2018 Brooklyn pick, 2019 Memphis pick

So that would give the Kings the following in terms of draft picks:

2017: Our own 1st plus Boston's 1st with Brooklyn Swap Rights (BOTH lottery picks)

2018: Our own 1st (definitely in the lottery with no trades or swaps weighing on it) PLUS Brooklyn's 1st (Unprotected)

2019: Memphis Top 8 Protected 1st

That would give us AT LEAST 3 lottery picks over the next 2 years, with Brooklyn's 2017 1st having a shot at winning the lottery. Our 2017 1st would have to fade a pick swap with Philly, but since they are currently the worst team in the NBA I'm not too worried about that. More than likely, in this scenario, the Kings, Sixers, and Nets could all realistically fall into the Top 5 seeds in the lottery.

We also would have 2 legit shots at getting Top 3 picks in 2018, especially if Brooklyn stays bad and remains a lottery team.

Lastly, we would get Memphis' 2019 pick to make up for the pick we are losing to Philly.

We would combine all of these with 2 impressive young talents in Marcus Smart and Jaylen Brown. That would give us the following young players on the roster:

PG: Marcus Smart
SG: Malachi Richardson
SF: Jaylen Brown
PF: Skal Labissiere
C: WCS and Georgios Papagiannis

Then we would add 3 lottery picks plus 2 more 1st round picks over the next 3 drafts. That would put us in a situation where we would have 11 players on our roster to start the 2019-2020 season, and the oldest one would be WCS at 26 years old...

If we could somehow snag Markelle Fultz out of the 2017 draft, we would be SET for the next 9 years at PG.

Sac needs there picks back and young players like Smart Okafor back

if the celtics keep struggling they just might give in and give us a generous offer for Cuz...