Ntikilina or Smith Jr?

[FrodoBaggins]

Who do we take? I can see the value in both guys. My question is, what do we do with Lawson and Collison? I like them both as well.

[City of Trees]

Ntilikina or Smith Jr.

My answer is based on what caused Smith Jr. to essentially not bring it every night? Why did he stand upright on the peremiter when defending? Why did he have a bad attitude towards teammates?

Was Smith Jr. frustrated with losing and playing on an inferior team or is he a knucklehead? If he's a knucklehead I'm going with Ntilikina.


As for your second question about Collison and Lawson, I'd throw big money at Jeff Teague. He's 28 so he'll probably look for a shorter deal. If I can't land Teague I'd make my way back to Collison. Assuming Kings draft a PG I'd let Lawson walk.


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[SacKingZZZ]

I don't think the Kings should really even be pressured to just select bpa PG right now. There are plenty of options around the league to fill with a stopgap if it comes to that. SF or a combo F however I think is something that will be difficult to come by if not for the draft. This is also another draft where there might be some really good upperclassman PG's as far as deep in the 2nd round. Frank Mason and Monte Morris would be great young experienced PG's behind a vet like DC if you brought him back. I think another option could be dangling a pick to a team like Atlanta for Shroder and see if they bite or packaging both picks to move up and see if you can guarantee one of the SF's or maybe make a run at Fox.

Now if it came down to between Smith and Ntilikina then I think the Kings might as well gamble with Frank. Although if I were a GM with one pick and my job were on the line I'd probably take Smith Jr. to be safe.

[SactownHrtBrks8]

Dennis Smith Jr. He is an animal. Everybody worries about him not caring about defense but he still averaged 2 steals a game and he played on a poorly coach team. Get him on a team that preaches defense in a more competitive environment and he could be the next great. The type of player even people in the top three says why didn't we draft him

[JohnWillow]

Biggest Frank's fan in the world. Give me Frank.

[TacoBell]

I like Ntilikina for his length and defensive potential and playmaking ability. If worse comes to worse I see him as a good backup. He sounds like a good fit next to Buddy, Willie and Skal.

[c3j3h]

I don't think the Kings should really even be pressured to just select bpa PG right now. There are plenty of options around the league to fill with a stopgap if it comes to that. SF or a combo F however I think is something that will be difficult to come by if not for the draft. This is also another draft where there might be some really good upperclassman PG's as far as deep in the 2nd round. Frank Mason and Monte Morris would be great young experienced PG's behind a vet like DC if you brought him back. I think another option could be dangling a pick to a team like Atlanta for Shroder and see if they bite or packaging both picks to move up and see if you can guarantee one of the SF's or maybe make a run at Fox.

Now if it came down to between Smith and Ntilikina then I think the Kings might as well gamble with Frank. Although if I were a GM with one pick and my job were on the line I'd probably take Smith Jr. to be safe.

The Kings have to come out of this draft with a PG we can groom as our PG of the future. There are too many good prospects to pass on. Any other option would be stupid.

[SactownHrtBrks8]

I don't think the Kings should really even be pressured to just select bpa PG right now. There are plenty of options around the league to fill with a stopgap if it comes to that. SF or a combo F however I think is something that will be difficult to come by if not for the draft. This is also another draft where there might be some really good upperclassman PG's as far as deep in the 2nd round. Frank Mason and Monte Morris would be great young experienced PG's behind a vet like DC if you brought him back. I think another option could be dangling a pick to a team like Atlanta for Shroder and see if they bite or packaging both picks to move up and see if you can guarantee one of the SF's or maybe make a run at Fox.

Now if it came down to between Smith and Ntilikina then I think the Kings might as well gamble with Frank. Although if I were a GM with one pick and my job were on the line I'd probably take Smith Jr. to be safe.

The Kings have to come out of this draft with a PG we can groom as our PG of the future. There are too many good prospects to pass on. Any other option would be stupid.

I am 100% with you. I would even be willing to take guards at both picks. It is just that type of league now. If we could have three young talented guards going forward, we would be in good shape.

[SacKingZZZ]

I don't think the Kings should really even be pressured to just select bpa PG right now. There are plenty of options around the league to fill with a stopgap if it comes to that. SF or a combo F however I think is something that will be difficult to come by if not for the draft. This is also another draft where there might be some really good upperclassman PG's as far as deep in the 2nd round. Frank Mason and Monte Morris would be great young experienced PG's behind a vet like DC if you brought him back. I think another option could be dangling a pick to a team like Atlanta for Shroder and see if they bite or packaging both picks to move up and see if you can guarantee one of the SF's or maybe make a run at Fox.

Now if it came down to between Smith and Ntilikina then I think the Kings might as well gamble with Frank. Although if I were a GM with one pick and my job were on the line I'd probably take Smith Jr. to be safe.

The Kings have to come out of this draft with a PG we can groom as our PG of the future. There are too many good prospects to pass on. Any other option would be stupid.

Like I said, I think that player could be as deep as the 2nd round or even undrafted. Also, there are some more experienced options in FA or possibly trade. If they feel there is someone at 8 or 10 that is worth it as a PG prospect even if the fit isn't there then that's on them to make it work. Considering the ages and already advanced development of some of the Kings young core I wonder if a more experienced college player or current NBA PG wouldn't be ideal anyway.

[c3j3h]

I don't think the Kings should really even be pressured to just select bpa PG right now. There are plenty of options around the league to fill with a stopgap if it comes to that. SF or a combo F however I think is something that will be difficult to come by if not for the draft. This is also another draft where there might be some really good upperclassman PG's as far as deep in the 2nd round. Frank Mason and Monte Morris would be great young experienced PG's behind a vet like DC if you brought him back. I think another option could be dangling a pick to a team like Atlanta for Shroder and see if they bite or packaging both picks to move up and see if you can guarantee one of the SF's or maybe make a run at Fox.

Now if it came down to between Smith and Ntilikina then I think the Kings might as well gamble with Frank. Although if I were a GM with one pick and my job were on the line I'd probably take Smith Jr. to be safe.

The Kings have to come out of this draft with a PG we can groom as our PG of the future. There are too many good prospects to pass on. Any other option would be stupid.

Like I said, I think that player could be as deep as the 2nd round or even undrafted. Also, there are some more experienced options in FA or possibly trade. If they feel there is someone at 8 or 10 that is worth it as a PG prospect even if the fit isn't there then that's on them to make it work. Considering the ages and already advanced development of some of the Kings young core I wonder if a more experienced college player or current NBA PG wouldn't be ideal anyway.

WHAT?!? Like who? This doesn't make any sense.

[SacKingZZZ]

I don't think the Kings should really even be pressured to just select bpa PG right now. There are plenty of options around the league to fill with a stopgap if it comes to that. SF or a combo F however I think is something that will be difficult to come by if not for the draft. This is also another draft where there might be some really good upperclassman PG's as far as deep in the 2nd round. Frank Mason and Monte Morris would be great young experienced PG's behind a vet like DC if you brought him back. I think another option could be dangling a pick to a team like Atlanta for Shroder and see if they bite or packaging both picks to move up and see if you can guarantee one of the SF's or maybe make a run at Fox.

Now if it came down to between Smith and Ntilikina then I think the Kings might as well gamble with Frank. Although if I were a GM with one pick and my job were on the line I'd probably take Smith Jr. to be safe.

The Kings have to come out of this draft with a PG we can groom as our PG of the future. There are too many good prospects to pass on. Any other option would be stupid.

I am 100% with you. I would even be willing to take guards at both picks. It is just that type of league now. If we could have three young talented guards going forward, we would be in good shape.

They have to fit together, or be able to contribute in a way as to at the very least sustain some sort of value as a talent and trade asset. When you take perceived BPA and stick them in the back of the line of players fighting for the same minutes you have just recreated more than a few of the Kings draft nightmare scenarios prior to this last one.

Yesterday on the Kings preshow, James Ham mentioned the same thing I did in regards to the PG spot. There are a lot of viable options at PG these days. This isn't a point where players like Beno Udrih are sought after. It's deep there. If you watch the Kings play it's clear that the biggest issue moving forward is a SF or combo F. I see far more potential options at PG in FA/trade then I do SF.

If Bridges doesn't declare I think the Kings should look to move up and nab Fox, if not, hopefully Isaac is there at 8, and then take whoever is left between Smith Jr. and Ntilikina.

[SacKingZZZ]

The Kings have to come out of this draft with a PG we can groom as our PG of the future. There are too many good prospects to pass on. Any other option would be stupid.

Like I said, I think that player could be as deep as the 2nd round or even undrafted. Also, there are some more experienced options in FA or possibly trade. If they feel there is someone at 8 or 10 that is worth it as a PG prospect even if the fit isn't there then that's on them to make it work. Considering the ages and already advanced development of some of the Kings young core I wonder if a more experienced college player or current NBA PG wouldn't be ideal anyway.

WHAT?!? Like who? This doesn't make any sense.

Uh, maybe READ my original post before you reply?

[SactownHrtBrks8]

The Kings have to come out of this draft with a PG we can groom as our PG of the future. There are too many good prospects to pass on. Any other option would be stupid.

I am 100% with you. I would even be willing to take guards at both picks. It is just that type of league now. If we could have three young talented guards going forward, we would be in good shape.

They have to fit together, or be able to contribute in a way as to at the very least sustain some sort of value as a talent and trade asset. When you take perceived BPA and stick them in the back of the line of players fighting for the same minutes you have just recreated more than a few of the Kings draft nightmare scenarios prior to this last one.

Yesterday on the Kings preshow, James Ham mentioned the same thing I did in regards to the PG spot. There are a lot of viable options at PG these days. This isn't a point where players like Beno Udrih are sought after. It's deep there. If you watch the Kings play it's clear that the biggest issue moving forward is a SF or combo F. I see far more potential options at PG in FA/trade then I do SF.

If Bridges doesn't declare I think the Kings should look to move up and nab Fox, if not, hopefully Isaac is there at 8, and then take whoever is left between Smith Jr. and Ntilikina.

I do not really feel like any position is set right now. I like a lot of our pieces, and i want to see where they can go, but I am taking BPA in this deep draft. There could be some high level impact players where we are drafting and I want them regardless of position

[c3j3h]

Like I said, I think that player could be as deep as the 2nd round or even undrafted. Also, there are some more experienced options in FA or possibly trade. If they feel there is someone at 8 or 10 that is worth it as a PG prospect even if the fit isn't there then that's on them to make it work. Considering the ages and already advanced development of some of the Kings young core I wonder if a more experienced college player or current NBA PG wouldn't be ideal anyway.

WHAT?!? Like who? This doesn't make any sense.

Uh, maybe READ my original post before you reply?

Hey I like Monte Morris a lot, but he's not a better PG prospect than any of the guys projected to go in the Top 10. Frank Mason is not even close.

[OhioKingsFan]

Between the two I'd take Dennis Smith.

[SacKingZZZ]

WHAT?!? Like who? This doesn't make any sense.

Uh, maybe READ my original post before you reply?

Hey I like Monte Morris a lot, but he's not a better PG prospect than any of the guys projected to go in the Top 10. Frank Mason is not even close.

I didn't say they were better prospects, and I agree with you, I'm saying they might be good enough to be the PG you groom for the future considering you can invest a pick in a harder spot to fill with talent in todays NBA. Many people would have said the same thing about IT, so you never know. It also comes down to what you need. Do the Kings need a franchise PG necessarily? There is a chance of the likely 2 upper echelon level prospects at PG the Kings will have to choose from could be great, but if it's between the two discussed there is nothing concrete that either are franchise pillars. I think Frank has a higher upside, Smith has the tools now to put up numbers. Right now to most teams Fultz and Ball are your potential franchise pillars then it ticks on down from there.

[SacKingZZZ]

I am 100% with you. I would even be willing to take guards at both picks. It is just that type of league now. If we could have three young talented guards going forward, we would be in good shape.

They have to fit together, or be able to contribute in a way as to at the very least sustain some sort of value as a talent and trade asset. When you take perceived BPA and stick them in the back of the line of players fighting for the same minutes you have just recreated more than a few of the Kings draft nightmare scenarios prior to this last one.

Yesterday on the Kings preshow, James Ham mentioned the same thing I did in regards to the PG spot. There are a lot of viable options at PG these days. This isn't a point where players like Beno Udrih are sought after. It's deep there. If you watch the Kings play it's clear that the biggest issue moving forward is a SF or combo F. I see far more potential options at PG in FA/trade then I do SF.

If Bridges doesn't declare I think the Kings should look to move up and nab Fox, if not, hopefully Isaac is there at 8, and then take whoever is left between Smith Jr. and Ntilikina.

I do not really feel like any position is set right now. I like a lot of our pieces, and i want to see where they can go, but I am taking BPA in this deep draft. There could be some high level impact players where we are drafting and I want them regardless of position

If that BPA is heads above and a clear and obvious choice then by all means, but the Kings have a lot of young talent on the books right now though. At some point you are almost guaranteeing failure for someone because when developing young players for one cream to rise, another has to go rotten if they share the same role. If the Kings are interested in BPA then Vlade really needs to see if he can package those picks to move up.

[SactownHrtBrks8]

They have to fit together, or be able to contribute in a way as to at the very least sustain some sort of value as a talent and trade asset. When you take perceived BPA and stick them in the back of the line of players fighting for the same minutes you have just recreated more than a few of the Kings draft nightmare scenarios prior to this last one.

Yesterday on the Kings preshow, James Ham mentioned the same thing I did in regards to the PG spot. There are a lot of viable options at PG these days. This isn't a point where players like Beno Udrih are sought after. It's deep there. If you watch the Kings play it's clear that the biggest issue moving forward is a SF or combo F. I see far more potential options at PG in FA/trade then I do SF.

If Bridges doesn't declare I think the Kings should look to move up and nab Fox, if not, hopefully Isaac is there at 8, and then take whoever is left between Smith Jr. and Ntilikina.

I do not really feel like any position is set right now. I like a lot of our pieces, and i want to see where they can go, but I am taking BPA in this deep draft. There could be some high level impact players where we are drafting and I want them regardless of position

If that BPA is heads above and a clear and obvious choice then by all means, but the Kings have a lot of young talent on the books right now though. At some point you are almost guaranteeing failure for someone because when developing young players for one cream to rise, another has to go rotten if they share the same role. If the Kings are interested in BPA then Vlade really needs to see if he can package those picks to move up.

You're not guaranteeing failure for anyone. It is dog eat dog game. If you can't raise to the occasion, that is on the players problem. Players that deserve playing will earn it

Scenario: If Smith and Ntikilina both were available, and they are best players on the board at the time of each pick. I would draft both player. Even if it affects Buddy Hields development because we drafted two guards.

[SacKingZZZ]

I do not really feel like any position is set right now. I like a lot of our pieces, and i want to see where they can go, but I am taking BPA in this deep draft. There could be some high level impact players where we are drafting and I want them regardless of position

If that BPA is heads above and a clear and obvious choice then by all means, but the Kings have a lot of young talent on the books right now though. At some point you are almost guaranteeing failure for someone because when developing young players for one cream to rise, another has to go rotten if they share the same role. If the Kings are interested in BPA then Vlade really needs to see if he can package those picks to move up.

You're not guaranteeing failure for anyone. It is dog eat dog game. If you can't raise to the occasion, that is on the players problem. Players that deserve playing will earn it

Scenario: If Smith and Ntikilina both were available, and they are best players on the board at the time of each pick. I would draft both player. Even if it affects Buddy Hields development because we drafted two guards.

And it's the team that ultimately loses. Rising to the occasion is sometimes irrelevant when dealing with players that were drafted for 1 or at most 2 skills. If you don't allow them to provide that role you get, well, Ben McLemore. All of a sudden he's getting a piece of the offense 4 years and post Cuz later and he's starting to produce. Where were those shots before? David Kahn style GM'ing doesn't work. You don't corner the market on a position in the NBA, you waste assets and time.

[SactownHrtBrks8]

If that BPA is heads above and a clear and obvious choice then by all means, but the Kings have a lot of young talent on the books right now though. At some point you are almost guaranteeing failure for someone because when developing young players for one cream to rise, another has to go rotten if they share the same role. If the Kings are interested in BPA then Vlade really needs to see if he can package those picks to move up.

You're not guaranteeing failure for anyone. It is dog eat dog game. If you can't raise to the occasion, that is on the players problem. Players that deserve playing will earn it

Scenario: If Smith and Ntikilina both were available, and they are best players on the board at the time of each pick. I would draft both player. Even if it affects Buddy Hields development because we drafted two guards.

And it's the team that ultimately loses. Rising to the occasion is sometimes irrelevant when dealing with players that were drafted for 1 or at most 2 skills. If you don't allow them to provide that role you get, well, Ben McLemore. All of a sudden he's getting a piece of the offense 4 years and post Cuz later and he's starting to produce. Where were those shots before? David Kahn style GM'ing doesn't work. You don't corner the market on a position in the NBA, you waste assets and time.

Ben Mclemore is not a victim of circumstances. He just was rated higher than he should have been coming in to league. People thought Ray Allen was a valid comparison.Low IQ is what killed his chances to be great. He also cant create on his own shot or handle the ball well. It is player dependent. He is not elite level player and never will be. If you want to say he could have been in different circumstances, that is debatable.

I like the young players we have, but none of them are players that I would say okay we are set at that position. (Outside maybe Hield). We want to be an elite level team. We have to explore every option right now to just get yourself credible


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