Post draft, do you want the Kings to go after a PG in Free Agency?
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Post draft, do you want the Kings to go after a PG in Free Agency?
My very unscientific poll on this issue around the Kings draft party last night shows that many people are split on this issue. With the Kings drafting Fox and Mason, they have drafted two players who can really only play PG. The issue is that rookie PGs don't really have a strong track record in the NBA and it would be nice for the team to have a veteran to mentor the young kids. On the other hand, the Kings should have some SGs that could pretend to play PG (Temple, Bogdonovic) and Temple is a pretty good mentor.
What is your feeling on the Kings PG situation in Free Agency?
Free agent PGs include: (I am including lower tier veterans)
Darren Collison
Ty Lawson
Deron Williams
Brandon Jennings
Sergio Rodriguez
Aaron Brooks
Jose Calderon
Shelvin Mack
Personally, I think the Kings should throw relatively big money to a veteran on a one or two year deal. If the Kings could get Collison for a year in the 10 million range, I would do it. Otherwise, I would go after the Calderons and Macks of the world.
What do you think?
What is your feeling on the Kings PG situation in Free Agency?
Free agent PGs include: (I am including lower tier veterans)
Darren Collison
Ty Lawson
Deron Williams
Brandon Jennings
Sergio Rodriguez
Aaron Brooks
Jose Calderon
Shelvin Mack
Personally, I think the Kings should throw relatively big money to a veteran on a one or two year deal. If the Kings could get Collison for a year in the 10 million range, I would do it. Otherwise, I would go after the Calderons and Macks of the world.
What do you think?
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I agree that I'd choose Collison or Lawson on that list for the simple reason that they know what Joerger is looking for, terminology, etc. Lawson is better distributor and cheaper signing but I give slight edge to Collison because of his shooting.
As for the others, I'm ok with Mack but not Calderon. He's too old and a terrible defender.
As for the others, I'm ok with Mack but not Calderon. He's too old and a terrible defender.
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Note: you may want to edit, Fox and Mason (not Jackson)
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Frank Mason is a fully developed rookie. I think they should just roll with the rookie duo and see how it pans out. I know Darren wouldn't mind coming back, but if the Cavs are smart, they'll target him as a backup to Kyrie. If there is one player in the league that makes Curry work for it it's DC.
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I wouldn't mind bringing back Lawson OR Collison. Heck, I wouldn't be opposed on signing a PG on a cheap deal either i.e. Mack.
That being said, I would like to think the Kings will roll with Fox, Mason, and sometimes Temple at PG.
If anything, I think we still need a wing to supplement Justin Jackson there. Justin is a bit frail at SF (I think), so, maybe a FA wing (SF-ish) player might be needed over a PG, imo.
That being said, I would like to think the Kings will roll with Fox, Mason, and sometimes Temple at PG.
If anything, I think we still need a wing to supplement Justin Jackson there. Justin is a bit frail at SF (I think), so, maybe a FA wing (SF-ish) player might be needed over a PG, imo.
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SacKingZZZ wrote:Frank Mason is a fully developed rookie. I think they should just roll with the rookie duo and see how it pans out. I know Darren wouldn't mind coming back, but if the Cavs are smart, they'll target him as a backup to Kyrie. If there is one player in the league that makes Curry work for it it's DC.
This.
Mason isn't some 19 year old that needs to mature and learn the game, the guy is 23, and was a full time starter for 3 years at Kansas - and paying in every game as a true freshman averaging 16 mins a game. He then comes in the NBA with the role of backup. He is more than ready and capable of doing that. We do not need to sign a pg during the offseason.
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I wouldn't mind them going with the 2 rookies, however if I was going to go with someone I would have to say I would overpay hugely for Shaun Livingston. Something like 2/42 million, 2nd season as a player option.
He plays the game the right way, the way the Kings are trying to adopt and he has been a back up for a long time now but has the skills to be so much more.
Not sure if he takes the money to be on a rebuilding team, but it would be a lot of money for him to turn down and we can certainly afford to overpay someone, it just has to be for character and the way they play the game, Livingston ticks both those boxes and he would be a fantastic mentor for all of the players if we needed another one.
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He plays the game the right way, the way the Kings are trying to adopt and he has been a back up for a long time now but has the skills to be so much more.
Not sure if he takes the money to be on a rebuilding team, but it would be a lot of money for him to turn down and we can certainly afford to overpay someone, it just has to be for character and the way they play the game, Livingston ticks both those boxes and he would be a fantastic mentor for all of the players if we needed another one.
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MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!
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simonbampfield wrote:I wouldn't mind them going with the 2 rookies, however if I was going to go with someone I would have to say I would overpay hugely for Shaun Livingston. Something like 2/42 million, 2nd season as a player option.
He plays the game the right way, the way the Kings are trying to adopt and he has been a back up for a long time now but has the skills to be so much more.
Not sure if he takes the money to be on a rebuilding team, but it would be a lot of money for him to turn down and we can certainly afford to overpay someone, it just has to be for character and the way they play the game, Livingston ticks both those boxes and he would be a fantastic mentor for all of the players if we needed another one.
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How about they just F with the Warriors. Offer max to Iggy and that deal to Livingston.
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KF10 wrote:I wouldn't mind bringing back Lawson OR Collison. Heck, I wouldn't be opposed on signing a PG on a cheap deal either i.e. Mack.
That being said, I would like to think the Kings will roll with Fox, Mason, and sometimes Temple at PG.
If anything, I think we still need a wing to supplement Justin Jackson there. Justin is a bit frail at SF (I think), so, maybe a FA wing (SF-ish) player might be needed over a PG, imo.
The smart play might be to just stay out of the FA waters. Maybe do another couple short term 1 year deals on an overpay to see if it works out but maybe not. Hopefully Bogdan comes over and just play him, Temple, and Jackson at SF and see if that's an option, or to what extent of an option Bogdan and Jackson at SF is.
Do teams have to meet the salary floor to avoid the differential payoff penalty thing by the deadline? If not the Kings could just go into the season and wait for teams to get desperate at the deadline.
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SacKingZZZ wrote:KF10 wrote:I wouldn't mind bringing back Lawson OR Collison. Heck, I wouldn't be opposed on signing a PG on a cheap deal either i.e. Mack.
That being said, I would like to think the Kings will roll with Fox, Mason, and sometimes Temple at PG.
If anything, I think we still need a wing to supplement Justin Jackson there. Justin is a bit frail at SF (I think), so, maybe a FA wing (SF-ish) player might be needed over a PG, imo.
The smart play might be to just stay out of the FA waters. Maybe do another couple short term 1 year deals on an overpay to see if it works out but maybe not. Hopefully Bogdan comes over and just play him, Temple, and Jackson at SF and see if that's an option, or to what extent of an option Bogdan and Jackson at SF is.
Do teams have to meet the salary floor to avoid the differential payoff penalty thing by the deadline? If not the Kings could just go into the season and wait for teams to get desperate at the deadline.
I do like the wait and see approach too. I think some teams will have expectations of being a really good team and all of a sudden an injury or whatever details that and they hit the reset button. I can see 3-4 teams being in a situation like that and desperate GMs will come calling.
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SacKingZZZ wrote:simonbampfield wrote:I wouldn't mind them going with the 2 rookies, however if I was going to go with someone I would have to say I would overpay hugely for Shaun Livingston. Something like 2/42 million, 2nd season as a player option.
He plays the game the right way, the way the Kings are trying to adopt and he has been a back up for a long time now but has the skills to be so much more.
Not sure if he takes the money to be on a rebuilding team, but it would be a lot of money for him to turn down and we can certainly afford to overpay someone, it just has to be for character and the way they play the game, Livingston ticks both those boxes and he would be a fantastic mentor for all of the players if we needed another one.
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How about they just F with the Warriors. Offer max to Iggy and that deal to Livingston.
Well let's just start with Livingston lol but yes taking a key member of a championship team has so many benefits.
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Calderon?
I'd rather suit up SacKingZZZ than that fella.
If Beverly is available for cap space and a second rounder I'd take him first.
Lawson on a 2 year, with only a partial guarantee on the second would be my next choice.
Collison is going to get paid, 3 or 4 years. Not a timeline or asset match.
I'd rather suit up SacKingZZZ than that fella.
If Beverly is available for cap space and a second rounder I'd take him first.
Lawson on a 2 year, with only a partial guarantee on the second would be my next choice.
Collison is going to get paid, 3 or 4 years. Not a timeline or asset match.
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blind prophet wrote:Calderon?
I'd rather suit up SacKingZZZ than that fella.
If Beverly is available for cap space and a second rounder I'd take him first.
Lawson on a 2 year, with only a partial guarantee on the second would be my next choice.
Collison is going to get paid, 3 or 4 years. Not a timeline or asset match.
Hey, I'd take the minimum to sit on the bench and wave a towel without any complaints at all. That way Joerger is within hearing distance of my complaints that they aren't getting Buddy enough shots.
Beverley is interesting. There is some possibility he could even become a major trade asset at the deadline for a team needing to get that extra something heading into the playoffs.
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Temple can recruit Paul to Sacramento -- now that Temple will work under Paul in NBPA matters.
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Temple can recruit Paul to Sacramento -- now that Temple will work under Paul in NBPA matters.
Temple just seems like a future GM to me.
That aside, I like fox and Mason at pg. we absolutely need a SF. Jackson is a backup at best right now, and can supplant the starter in 2 years or so
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Id like nothing more than to sign away Iggy and Livington on overpay 2 year contracts. Makes a ton of sense and both pit positions of "need"
WCS/Papa/Koufos
Skal/Giles
Iggy/Jackson/Bogdan
Hield/Richardson/Temple
Fox/Livington/Mason
Koufos/Iggy/Temple/Livington as the vets. Can't get a better group than that to set the locker room in the right direction.
WCS/Papa/Koufos
Skal/Giles
Iggy/Jackson/Bogdan
Hield/Richardson/Temple
Fox/Livington/Mason
Koufos/Iggy/Temple/Livington as the vets. Can't get a better group than that to set the locker room in the right direction.
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SacKingZZZ wrote:blind prophet wrote:Calderon?
I'd rather suit up SacKingZZZ than that fella.
If Beverly is available for cap space and a second rounder I'd take him first.
Lawson on a 2 year, with only a partial guarantee on the second would be my next choice.
Collison is going to get paid, 3 or 4 years. Not a timeline or asset match.
Hey, I'd take the minimum to sit on the bench and wave a towel without any complaints at all. That way Joerger is within hearing distance of my complaints that they aren't getting Buddy enough shots.
Beverley is interesting. There is some possibility he could even become a major trade asset at the deadline for a team needing to get that extra something heading into the playoffs.
I like the idea of Beverley. We could also help Celtics by taking Crowder if they need space for Hayward. Beverley, Crowder, and JaMychal Green or Collison or Lawson, Ingles, and Green. That's all and I'd be happy this offseason.
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RipPizzaGuy wrote:Id like nothing more than to sign away Iggy and Livington on overpay 2 year contracts. Makes a ton of sense and both pit positions of "need"
WCS/Papa/Koufos
Skal/Giles
Iggy/Jackson/Bogdan
Hield/Richardson/Temple
Fox/Livington/Mason
Koufos/Iggy/Temple/Livington as the vets. Can't get a better group than that to set the locker room in the right direction.
I want to play our young guys, let them grow and learn and get a top 4 pick next year taking one of Porter, Bamba, Doncic, or Ayton.
If we do anything it should be for cap space rental and a 2019 pick. Tony Parker would be perfect as a coach on the floor.
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Wait, Aaron Brooks is still in the league?