Is signing Hill good for Fox?

[StepBackCrack]

I was ready to see Fox start from the get go so I'm kinda disappointed Kings signed Hill despite the contract being great. Would a player like Fox develop faster by getting mentored by an experienced PG instead of getting much more playing time? I'm not sure. I feel more playing time makes a player develop faster in general.

[lakerhater]

Fox will get plenty of burn. No reason you can't play Hill and Fox together, in fact that might prove to be one of the Kings best backcourt combos at different points next season.

If Fox is better sooner then later that's only a good thing for Sac who can then turnaround and deal Hill for roster needs.

[KingsMilz]

They can move Hield to SF for stretches and play Hill @ SG as a spot up shooter with Fox@PG, can't hurt having a guy that really is not ball dominant but rather efficient to learn from and understand what it takes on the defensive end as well.

All that's left it to nab a decent SF now.

*edited post (we should keep Temple cause he can serve as the 3rd PG as well)

[enderwilson]

I was ready to see Fox start from the get go so I'm kinda disappointed Kings signed Hill despite the contract being great. Would a player like Fox develop faster by getting mentored by an experienced PG instead of getting much more playing time? I'm not sure. I feel more playing time makes a player develop faster in general.

Fox is 19. Our youngins are anywhere from 19 to 23. Asking Fox to lead this team from day one is not doing him any favors. This is the best thing for him, and Hill will be an awesome mentor into the NBA.

Did Steph Curry start leading the Warriors his rookie year? No.
Did Kawhi Leonard? No.
Actually, can you name me one superstar/star who started for their teams without the benefit of some veteran presence around them?
Before the signings we had Garrett Temple and Kosta Koufas as the vets. Everyone else is on rookie contracts. Hill and Zbo were very necessary additions.

[TacoBell]

You should earn your spot on the team. With Joerger he gives you what you deserve. Buddy outplayed Aflalo and Ben and took their spot. Having Hill on the team will show Fox this is the standard you need to live up to if you want to start here. This brings good competition and Fox has fire and competitive in spades so it will be good for him.

[bleeds_purple]

Mentorship is good especially at the PG position.

[mos_def]

Hill is a perfect compliment to Fox. If Fox can produce like Conley did with 20mpg than it will be good.

[City of Trees]

Hell yes. Every rook needs a vet. Double bonus when that vet plays your position. To sign George Hill is to further invest in De'Aaron Fox.

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[kingjawn100]

Look at the other rookie point guards drafted this year. i doubt Lonzo, DSJ, Ntilikina or Donovan Mitchell will be opening day starters. Even Fultz may start out as a backup at first. Nothing out the ordinary.

I look at point guards as the closest things you'll find to NFL quarterbacks in terms of positional importance. You don't go into a season with a rookie as your starter AND backup. We are fine losing but that would just be promoting learning bad habits and could lead to team wide regression. Now you could argue that we should have gotten Lawson the backup instead of Hill the starter. But as good of a heart as Ty has he's the last guy you want setting an example for younger teammates.

I think we owe it to Joerger and the fans to play the vets the first 20-25 games of the season and if things look bleak record wise (likely) we turn things over to the youngens.

[VeeJay24]

I think Hill is perfect; this is what I was talking about when I said they need better vets to develop the young guys. I think ZBo is more important. He will definitely make our big men tougher and teach them the little things that you can only learn from experience. Just what Skal, WCS, Giles & PapaG need to enhance and quicken their development.

[SacKingZZZ]

Look at the other rookie point guards drafted this year. i doubt Lonzo, DSJ, Ntilikina or Donovan Mitchell will be opening day starters. Even Fultz may start out as a backup at first. Nothing out the ordinary.

I look at point guards as the closest things you'll find to NFL quarterbacks in terms of positional importance. You don't go into a season with a rookie as your starter AND backup. We are fine losing but that would just be promoting learning bad habits and could lead to team wide regression. Now you could argue that we should have gotten Lawson the backup instead of Hill the starter. But as good of a heart as Ty has he's the last guy you want setting an example for younger teammates.

I think we owe it to Joerger and the fans to play the vets the first 20-25 games of the season and if things look bleak record wise (likely) we turn things over to the youngens.

It's almost like teams forgot how the rebuilding game works. What top 5 drafted PG's didn't start previous to the last few drafts? This is a fairly new concept that does occur here and there but if this is the plan it appears to not be working for the majority teams that have done it.

As it is you could conceivably play Hill and Fox at the same time so that could help.

[City of Trees]

Look at the other rookie point guards drafted this year. i doubt Lonzo, DSJ, Ntilikina or Donovan Mitchell will be opening day starters. Even Fultz may start out as a backup at first. Nothing out the ordinary.

I look at point guards as the closest things you'll find to NFL quarterbacks in terms of positional importance. You don't go into a season with a rookie as your starter AND backup. We are fine losing but that would just be promoting learning bad habits and could lead to team wide regression. Now you could argue that we should have gotten Lawson the backup instead of Hill the starter. But as good of a heart as Ty has he's the last guy you want setting an example for younger teammates.

I think we owe it to Joerger and the fans to play the vets the first 20-25 games of the season and if things look bleak record wise (likely) we turn things over to the youngens.

It's almost like teams forgot how the rebuilding game works. What top 5 drafted PG's didn't start previous to the last few drafts? This is a fairly new concept that does occur here and there but if this is the plan it appears to not be working for the majority teams that have done it.

As it is you could conceivably play Hill and Fox at the same time so that could help.

Russell Westbrook started off his career coming off the bench.

So did James Harden, Kawhi Leonard, Isaiah Thomas, Jimmy Butler, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Kyle Lowry, Paul George, Kemba Walker, Draymond Greene, Paul Millsap, Kevin Love, Gordon Hayward, De'Andre Jordan, and Klay Thompson.

Yes, over half of the 2017 NBA All-Star roster started off their careers coming off the bench. Let's not get dramatic with Fox doing the same.


The rebuild is in good shape.
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[benchmobbin02]

Hell yes. Every rook needs a vet. Double bonus when that vet plays your position. To sign George Hill is to further invest in De'Aaron Fox.

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Looking at our team we have that pretty much

C vet KK to WCS and Papa
PF vet ZBo to Skal and Giles
Wing vet Temple to Hield, Richardson and Jackson
PG vet Hill to Kox and Mason

I would even venture to say Bogdan is a vet since he has been playing Pro ball for 7 yr since the age of 18.

The team is in a great place.

[blind prophet]

I'm not sure.

The year after this when there is a team option coming later, and his last chance of getting paid, let's see how he reacts.

[SacKingZZZ]

Look at the other rookie point guards drafted this year. i doubt Lonzo, DSJ, Ntilikina or Donovan Mitchell will be opening day starters. Even Fultz may start out as a backup at first. Nothing out the ordinary.

I look at point guards as the closest things you'll find to NFL quarterbacks in terms of positional importance. You don't go into a season with a rookie as your starter AND backup. We are fine losing but that would just be promoting learning bad habits and could lead to team wide regression. Now you could argue that we should have gotten Lawson the backup instead of Hill the starter. But as good of a heart as Ty has he's the last guy you want setting an example for younger teammates.

I think we owe it to Joerger and the fans to play the vets the first 20-25 games of the season and if things look bleak record wise (likely) we turn things over to the youngens.

It's almost like teams forgot how the rebuilding game works. What top 5 drafted PG's didn't start previous to the last few drafts? This is a fairly new concept that does occur here and there but if this is the plan it appears to not be working for the majority teams that have done it.

As it is you could conceivably play Hill and Fox at the same time so that could help.

Russell Westbrook started off his career coming off the bench.

So did James Harden, Kawhi Leonard, Isaiah Thomas, Jimmy Butler, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Kyle Lowry, Paul George, Kemba Walker, Draymond Greene, Paul Millsap, Kevin Love, Gordon Hayward, De'Andre Jordan, and Klay Thompson.

Yes, over half of the 2017 NBA All-Star roster started off their careers coming off the bench. Let's not get dramatic with Fox doing the same.


The rebuild is in good shape.
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Like I said. What top 5 PG's didn't start. There's been a few recently, and Westbrook looked awful coming off the bench for them as much as the team did w/o him. Not really a glaring example of it working out initially. Regardless they gave it all of a handful of games before he took over though and he started 64 of 82 games. If that's how it works out then fine, but you will be hard pressed to find top flight PG's on rebuilding sqauds learning from the bench for much more time than that. I'm sure the Kings success will dictate how it all works out, but if this is a plan to compete with vets while the kiddies watch from the bench then hopefully they don't wait too long to kick it into high gear when class is over.

And players selected in the lower parts of the draft and turning into stars is something entirely different. Even Leonard wasn't considered franchise player coming into the draft. Walker was selected 9th in a sketchy draft and he went to a team with another 9th pick PG from a few years back in Augustin. It's extremely unusual to select players that high, and in particular PG's and figure them in too far down the road.

[City of Trees]

Like I said. What top 5 PG's didn't start.

You're looking at this all wrong. Who cares if Fox was drafted #5 or #14. His development from today forward should be the same.


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[City of Trees]

And another thing, PG's responsibilities has drastically changed in the past several years so to compare Fox's development to guys from 2005 is wrong as well.

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[SacKingZZZ]

Like I said. What top 5 PG's didn't start.

You're looking at this all wrong. Who cares if Fox was drafted #5 or #14. His development from today forward should be the same.


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What I'm saying is that it's very unusual and it is. I have hope they know what they're doing but it's even more unusual to go out and spend the kind of money they did on someone like Hill on top of it. Joerger likes his 2 PG lineups so that might be part of it.

[benchmobbin02]

Like I said. What top 5 PG's didn't start.

You're looking at this all wrong. Who cares if Fox was drafted #5 or #14. His development from today forward should be the same.


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What I'm saying is that it's very unusual and it is. I have hope they know what they're doing but it's even more unusual to go out and spend the kind of money they did on someone like Hill on top of it. Joerger likes his 2 PG lineups so that might be part of it.

I don't give a crap what is usual. What matters is what is best for the player. Just because others before have started that doesn't mean it was best for them or it is best for OUR GUY.

George Hill is 31. And played 50 games last yr. I would bet Fox plays more than 1600mins this year. Just smart to easy a 19 yr old kid with 1 yr of college into the drivers seat if you want to insure sustained success.

[SacKingZZZ]

You don't? It's been the head scratching path that put the Kings in the mess they've been in from day 1 of Viveks ownership. It's the straight line moves as of recent that are putting things back on course. As said, we have to see what the actual point of these deals are before judging them. Dollar for dollar in a vacuum they are good value, low risk contracts. That might be part of the point.