Game 78: Sacramento Kings (24-53) @ Los Angeles Lakers (33-42) - 9:30 PM ET

[SacKingZZZ]

Yeah...last 4 games we should play starters first half and Cooley-Sampson-Bruno-Nigel-Frank for the 2nd half

I dont know how we could go into next year saying WCS/Skal is our starting frontcourt (its the glaring weakness of the team right now). Will be interesting to see who returns/how minutes shake out if we draft a big. Rookie/WCS/Koufos/Skal/Harry. There just arent enough minutes for 5 guys who are nearly 7 feet tall.

It depends on what you need out of your front court. The Kings clearly have their main talent on the wing so having players like Kosta Koufos, Jack Cooley, Hayes, Sampson, etc. makes more sense fit wise. I agree about too many guys not really being able to slide into the wing spot. They have a bunch of bigs that physically are more likely big PF's in a league where that isn't much of a benefit. I know it's the end of the year but I'm starting to not like what I'm seeing out of Willie defensively. He's not doing a whole lot on that end the last few games and he's doing way too much on the other.

Trading down and getting a pick in 2019 in the process might be the best option. I think the Kings are farther ahead than many of the other rebuilding squads due to age and experience but in case the team just doesn't work out next year for whatever reason it would be nice to have a shot next year.

[City of Trees]

Markannen, Booker, Jackson, Smith aren’t playing down the stretch.. Its a judgement call

And none of those teams can match what the Kings are brewing.

Now if it was Temple, ect winning then I'm right thete with you.. But its our core. We are developing who we have.

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Typically I agree but with 4 games left and seeding so tight, we should definitely be playing Cooley sampson Nigel and bruno.

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But that is what Joerger did last night. Jackson and Nigel Hayes had the 4th and 5th most minutes played last night. Nigel had 21 minutes Sampson and Cooley played 16-17 min each.

Only difference is VC had 12 min... Maybe give those min to Bruno but VC was scoreless last night, so....




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[LightTheBeam]

And none of those teams can match what the Kings are brewing.

Now if it was Temple, ect winning then I'm right thete with you.. But its our core. We are developing who we have.

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Typically I agree but with 4 games left and seeding so tight, we should definitely be playing Cooley sampson Nigel and bruno.

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But that is what Joerger did last night. Jackson and Nigel Hayes had the 4th and 5th most minutes played last night. Nigel had 21 minutes Sampson and Cooley played 16-17 min each.

Only difference is VC had 12 min... Maybe give those min to Bruno but VC was scoreless last night, so....




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I'm talking about closing out the game. No way I want any of fox buddy or Bogdan out there.

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[SacKingZZZ]

Typically I agree but with 4 games left and seeding so tight, we should definitely be playing Cooley sampson Nigel and bruno.

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But that is what Joerger did last night. Jackson and Nigel Hayes had the 4th and 5th most minutes played last night. Nigel had 21 minutes Sampson and Cooley played 16-17 min each.

Only difference is VC had 12 min... Maybe give those min to Bruno but VC was scoreless last night, so....




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I'm talking about closing out the game. No way I want any of fox buddy or Bogdan out there.

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The Kings already made their bed though. They didn't go the tank/asset build route for this year, they went with a longer term development route designed specifically for the players they have already so that means they'd do more damage than good by holding them out. They need that experience together because they are most likely the main core of talent they move forward with unless they get lucky in the lottery, free agency, or in a trade. I do agree Bruno should be getting minutes over someone like Carter but with Nigel Hayes getting signed that might be the end of the line for Bruno. Hayes is a much better fit for what Dave Joerger is looking for out of his bigs and according to Kayte in the post game after his debut he's been on the Kings radar all year.

[LightTheBeam]

But that is what Joerger did last night. Jackson and Nigel Hayes had the 4th and 5th most minutes played last night. Nigel had 21 minutes Sampson and Cooley played 16-17 min each.

Only difference is VC had 12 min... Maybe give those min to Bruno but VC was scoreless last night, so....




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I'm talking about closing out the game. No way I want any of fox buddy or Bogdan out there.

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The Kings already made their bed though. They didn't go the tank/asset build route for this year, they went with a longer term development route designed specifically for the players they have already so that means they'd do more damage than good by holding them out. They need that experience together because they are most likely the main core of talent they move forward with unless they get lucky in the lottery, free agency, or in a trade. I do agree Bruno should be getting minutes over someone like Carter but with Nigel Hayes getting signed that might be the end of the line for Bruno. Hayes is a much better fit for what Dave Joerger is looking for out of his bigs and according to Kayte in the post game after his debut he's been on the Kings radar all year.

Like I said typically I'd agree.

And I was one who with 20 games left was rooting for a win with the young kids.

But with 5 games left, majority of teams resting players, I don't see the same benefit as I did 15 games ago. The negatives out weight the benefit in this case scenario. The difference between getting Michael porter or Miles Bridges will be a huge difference 3 years from now.

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[kingjawn100]

But that is what Joerger did last night. Jackson and Nigel Hayes had the 4th and 5th most minutes played last night. Nigel had 21 minutes Sampson and Cooley played 16-17 min each.

Only difference is VC had 12 min... Maybe give those min to Bruno but VC was scoreless last night, so....




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I'm talking about closing out the game. No way I want any of fox buddy or Bogdan out there.

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The Kings already made their bed though. They didn't go the tank/asset build route for this year, they went with a longer term development route designed specifically for the players they have already so that means they'd do more damage than good by holding them out. They need that experience together because they are most likely the main core of talent they move forward with unless they get lucky in the lottery, free agency, or in a trade. I do agree Bruno should be getting minutes over someone like Carter but with Nigel Hayes getting signed that might be the end of the line for Bruno. Hayes is a much better fit for what Dave Joerger is looking for out of his bigs and according to Kayte in the post game after his debut he's been on the Kings radar all year.

See i just don't buy the argument of tank OR develop. The Kings are bad enough to pick high lottery just by giving their young talented players the majority of the minutes all season. If they literally tank 4-5 games meaning..sitting their best players in the second half of 4-5 games they could potentially have a draft slot that is 3-4 slots higher. If Buddy Hield literally didn't play 1 minute the next 4 games he would likely come into next season the exact same player as if he played 40 minutes a nite the next 4 games. If it's a cohesion thing the guys should get together for a week in July and play pick-up games.

[LightTheBeam]

I'm talking about closing out the game. No way I want any of fox buddy or Bogdan out there.

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The Kings already made their bed though. They didn't go the tank/asset build route for this year, they went with a longer term development route designed specifically for the players they have already so that means they'd do more damage than good by holding them out. They need that experience together because they are most likely the main core of talent they move forward with unless they get lucky in the lottery, free agency, or in a trade. I do agree Bruno should be getting minutes over someone like Carter but with Nigel Hayes getting signed that might be the end of the line for Bruno. Hayes is a much better fit for what Dave Joerger is looking for out of his bigs and according to Kayte in the post game after his debut he's been on the Kings radar all year.

See i just don't buy the argument of tank OR develop. The Kings are bad enough to pick high lottery just by giving their young talented players the majority of the minutes all season. If they literally tank 4-5 games meaning..sitting their best players in the second half of 4-5 games they could potentially have a draft slot that is 3-4 slots higher. If Buddy Hield literally didn't play 1 minute the next 4 games he would likely come into next season the exact same player as if he played 40 minutes a nite the next 4 games. If it's a cohesion thing the guys should get together for a week in July and play pick-up games.

Well said.

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[RIPskaterdude]

Lakers **** us again, 16 years later

[SacKingZZZ]

I'm talking about closing out the game. No way I want any of fox buddy or Bogdan out there.

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The Kings already made their bed though. They didn't go the tank/asset build route for this year, they went with a longer term development route designed specifically for the players they have already so that means they'd do more damage than good by holding them out. They need that experience together because they are most likely the main core of talent they move forward with unless they get lucky in the lottery, free agency, or in a trade. I do agree Bruno should be getting minutes over someone like Carter but with Nigel Hayes getting signed that might be the end of the line for Bruno. Hayes is a much better fit for what Dave Joerger is looking for out of his bigs and according to Kayte in the post game after his debut he's been on the Kings radar all year.

See i just don't buy the argument of tank OR develop. The Kings are bad enough to pick high lottery just by giving their young talented players the majority of the minutes all season. If they literally tank 4-5 games meaning..sitting their best players in the second half of 4-5 games they could potentially have a draft slot that is 3-4 slots higher. If Buddy Hield literally didn't play 1 minute the next 4 games he would likely come into next season the exact same player as if he played 40 minutes a nite the next 4 games. If it's a cohesion thing the guys should get together for a week in July and play pick-up games.

Perhaps, but they are building on the positive vibes theory where they all head into the summer with something to build off of. That and they are hopefully gaining more insight to players that didn't get a full showing all year long in many ways. I'm personally the type who thinks asset management is probably more important than over focusing on player and team development at this stage considering you don't know what your team will even look like in a few years but it is what it is. On the other side is the potential that breakout games, yes even this late, could push up some sort of value with these players. It's not likely this late in the game but possible.

[SacKingZZZ]

I'm talking about closing out the game. No way I want any of fox buddy or Bogdan out there.

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The Kings already made their bed though. They didn't go the tank/asset build route for this year, they went with a longer term development route designed specifically for the players they have already so that means they'd do more damage than good by holding them out. They need that experience together because they are most likely the main core of talent they move forward with unless they get lucky in the lottery, free agency, or in a trade. I do agree Bruno should be getting minutes over someone like Carter but with Nigel Hayes getting signed that might be the end of the line for Bruno. Hayes is a much better fit for what Dave Joerger is looking for out of his bigs and according to Kayte in the post game after his debut he's been on the Kings radar all year.

Like I said typically I'd agree.

And I was one who with 20 games left was rooting for a win with the young kids.

But with 5 games left, majority of teams resting players, I don't see the same benefit as I did 15 games ago. The negatives out weight the benefit in this case scenario. The difference between getting Michael porter or Miles Bridges will be a huge difference 3 years from now.

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Yeah the team that got Miles Bridges will be laughing at all those teams above them.

I think players like Buddy, Fox, and Bogdan showing what they can do with the team in their hands isn't at all negative regardless of the reasons surrounding it. If the Kings lose to the Suns and Grizz then they lose to them, but it's going to be hard to out tank them no matter what they do. You just just have to hope for really awful games from the Kings at that point or spiked gatorade or something.

Right now the hope should be that the Knicks win a few more and the Bulls win those tank games. The Kings will then be solidly in 7th if the Spurs and Rox don't rest.

[SacSanity]

I knew we were going to win. I **** hate joerger, what a joke of a coach

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Such a weird statement when looked at realistically haha. I choked on my whiskey laughing

Why? We want to lose.

[City of Trees]

I knew we were going to win. I **** hate joerger, what a joke of a coach

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Such a weird statement when looked at realistically haha. I choked on my whiskey laughing

Why? We want to lose.

It's an odd statement because you called him a bad coach for winning the game.


"We want to lose" only applies to fans and maybe the front office. It doesn't mean anything to the coach or the players. So your statement, in general, is kind of ridiculous.
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[LightTheBeam]

Such a weird statement when looked at realistically haha. I choked on my whiskey laughing

Why? We want to lose.

It's an odd statement because you called him a bad coach for winning the game.


"We want to lose" only applies to fans and maybe the front office. It doesn't mean anything to the coach or the players. So your statement, in general, is kind of ridiculous.
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Actually I called him a joke of a coach. And as most teams I would assume/hope our management tells him we want to lose the games. I think his pride throws that out the window when push comes to shove.

Like others said there's a reason the bulls and mavs aren't playing NBA players down the stretch.

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[City of Trees]

Why? We want to lose.

It's an odd statement because you called him a bad coach for winning the game.


"We want to lose" only applies to fans and maybe the front office. It doesn't mean anything to the coach or the players. So your statement, in general, is kind of ridiculous.
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Actually I called him a joke of a coach. And as most teams I would assume/hope our management tells him we want to lose the games. I think his pride throws that out the window when push comes to shove.

Like others said there's a reason the bulls and mavs aren't playing NBA players down the stretch.

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So you'd rather healthy scratch Fox and Buddy for the month of March and April?

Ok. I'm done. Can't involve myself in this conversation. Im out.

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[LightTheBeam]

It's an odd statement because you called him a bad coach for winning the game.


"We want to lose" only applies to fans and maybe the front office. It doesn't mean anything to the coach or the players. So your statement, in general, is kind of ridiculous.
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Actually I called him a joke of a coach. And as most teams I would assume/hope our management tells him we want to lose the games. I think his pride throws that out the window when push comes to shove.

Like others said there's a reason the bulls and mavs aren't playing NBA players down the stretch.

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So you'd rather healthy scratch Fox and Buddy for the month of March and April?

Ok. I'm done. Can't involve myself in this conversation. Im out.

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Come on dude... Don't be disingenuous. Last I check Markannen and DSJ are both playing, but in a close game they get benched at the end.

[benchmobbin02]

Actually I called him a joke of a coach. And as most teams I would assume/hope our management tells him we want to lose the games. I think his pride throws that out the window when push comes to shove.

Like others said there's a reason the bulls and mavs aren't playing NBA players down the stretch.

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So you'd rather healthy scratch Fox and Buddy for the month of March and April?

Ok. I'm done. Can't involve myself in this conversation. Im out.

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Come on dude... Don't be disingenuous. Last I check Markannen and DSJ are both playing, but in a close game they get benched at the end.

Not completely true.

But as Trees said its not worth the convo.

[LightTheBeam]

So you'd rather healthy scratch Fox and Buddy for the month of March and April?

Ok. I'm done. Can't involve myself in this conversation. Im out.

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Come on dude... Don't be disingenuous. Last I check Markannen and DSJ are both playing, but in a close game they get benched at the end.

Not completely true.

But as Trees said its not worth the convo.

Na y'all right it's a forum not worth the convo. Praise the kings all is good. Joerger is the greatest coach and our team can do no wrong!

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[City of Trees]

Come on dude... Don't be disingenuous. Last I check Markannen and DSJ are both playing, but in a close game they get benched at the end.

Not completely true.

But as Trees said its not worth the convo.

Na y'all right it's a forum not worth the convo. Praise the kings all is good. Joerger is the greatest coach and our team can do no wrong!

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Not true.

Just agree to disagree. Philosophical differences.

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[LightTheBeam]

Not completely true.

But as Trees said its not worth the convo.

Na y'all right it's a forum not worth the convo. Praise the kings all is good. Joerger is the greatest coach and our team can do no wrong!

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Not true.

Just agree to disagree. Philosophical differences.

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I mean dude, i'm probably one of the most optimistic Kings fans there is. I'm typically actually anti-tank because I hate to breed that type of culture. Go look at old threads, while everyone is jumping off a cliff, im happy we win behind big games from Fox, Bogie and the young guys.

The fact is, with this little games left in the season and a tight race between us the Bulls, Mavs, and Nets, I really see no incentive in winning.

We have no pick next year. This is literally time to grab a stud. I don't want to get Trey Young, Sexton and while I think both Bridges are quality players, neither projects to be a future superstar.

Fox might be that guy. I'm probably higher on Hield than most, I constantly praise him as our best defender and scorer. I love Bogdan and I repeatedly said theres no reason he cant be an absolute stud. Just go look at past threads. But the fact is we need an Ayton, Bagley, Doncic, or Porter JR. My only hope is the lottery balls bounce well for us, but judging off our last 10 years sans last year when we swapped with Philly, it never happens.

[benchmobbin02]

Come on dude... Don't be disingenuous. Last I check Markannen and DSJ are both playing, but in a close game they get benched at the end.

Not completely true.

But as Trees said its not worth the convo.

Na y'all right it's a forum not worth the convo. Praise the kings all is good. Joerger is the greatest coach and our team can do no wrong!

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Now who is being disingenuous...

The point is we disagree about the message to and the constant nick-picking over a game or 2 here or there when they are determining odd and not slots. We could lose all our games still end up 1 or 10. I think our coach should actually be teaching the team every chance he gets down the stretch as these are the future players that we will have to count on to play in the late game situations. I think it's important and was part of the plan going in. We have talked to death already about the player usage earlier during the year and how some didn't agree with it but none of that matters now. All the matters is the present.

But we aren't gonna convince each other which is why I said it wasn't worth the convo. Both sides have been stated.