Kings Off-Season

[codydaze]

I say you pay Willie anything up to 4/70. That would be the highest I'd be willing to pay but you can't just let him walk. If you don't match, at least get some value back in a sign and trade. Letting him walk for nothing would be worse than overpaying him in my opinion.

[dckingsfan]

I am kind of in the 4/60 - but we are close

My take is that letting him walk with nothing is much better than overpaying.

[SacKingZZZ]

What's the most another team can offer Willie?

[codydaze]

I am kind of in the 4/60 - but we are close

My take is that letting him walk with nothing is much better than overpaying.

I don't agree, you can't waste an asset like that. If you aren't going to match you need to at least get something back in a sign and trade.

[enderwilson]

I am kind of in the 4/60 - but we are close

My take is that letting him walk with nothing is much better than overpaying.

I don't agree, you can't waste an asset like that. If you aren't going to match you need to at least get something back in a sign and trade.

A sign and trade only works if the player is a restricted free agent, which I don't believe Trill is.

[codydaze]

I am kind of in the 4/60 - but we are close

My take is that letting him walk with nothing is much better than overpaying.

I don't agree, you can't waste an asset like that. If you aren't going to match you need to at least get something back in a sign and trade.

A sign and trade only works if the player is a restricted free agent, which I don't believe Trill is.

He is restricted, he's coming off of his rookie deal.

[jazanetti]

Some numbers here:
OCT 17, 2018 - SAC vs. UTA - Gobert 15 boards (season average - 13,2)
OCT 19, 2018 - SAC @ NOP - Davies 10 (12,7) (Randle added 14 boards, averages 7,9)
OCT 21, 2018 - SAC @ OKC - Adams 14 (10,1)
OCT 23, 2018 - SAC @ DEN - Jokic 12 (10,4)
OCT 24, 2018 - SAC vs. MEM - Gazol 10 (8,5)
OCT 26, 2018 - SAC vs. WAS - Mahinmi 5 (3,7)
OCT 29, 2018 - SAC @ MIA - Whiteside 24!!! (14,8)
OCT 30, 2018 - SAC @ ORL - Vucevic 15 (10,7)
NOV 01, 2018 - SAC @ ATL - Len 6 (5,6)
NOV 04, 2018 - SAC @ MIL - Lopez 2 (3,1) (Giannis added 15, averages 12,7)
NOV 07, 2018 - SAC vs. TOR - Ibaka 14 (8,4)
NOV 09, 2018 - SAC vs. MIN - Towns 19!!! (11,9)
NOV 10, 2018 - SAC vs. LAL - McGee 8 (7,1), Chandler 12 (6,4)
NOV 12, 2018 - SAC vs. SAS - Aldridge 18!!! (10,6)

In 12 of 14 games this season Willie's opponent took more rebounds than season's average. Willie also adds only 0,5 blocks. Can anyone explain me how to build a winning team with such a terrible rim protector at center position, who can't play PF and stretch the floor?

[sacking123]

Some numbers here:
OCT 17, 2018 - SAC vs. UTA - Gobert 15 boards (season average - 13,2)
OCT 19, 2018 - SAC @ NOP - Davies 10 (12,7) (Randle added 14 boards, averages 7,9)
OCT 21, 2018 - SAC @ OKC - Adams 14 (10,1)
OCT 23, 2018 - SAC @ DEN - Jokic 12 (10,4)
OCT 24, 2018 - SAC vs. MEM - Gazol 10 (8,5)
OCT 26, 2018 - SAC vs. WAS - Mahinmi 5 (3,7)
OCT 29, 2018 - SAC @ MIA - Whiteside 24!!! (14,8)
OCT 30, 2018 - SAC @ ORL - Vucevic 15 (10,7)
NOV 01, 2018 - SAC @ ATL - Len 6 (5,6)
NOV 04, 2018 - SAC @ MIL - Lopez 2 (3,1) (Giannis added 15, averages 12,7)
NOV 07, 2018 - SAC vs. TOR - Ibaka 14 (8,4)
NOV 09, 2018 - SAC vs. MIN - Towns 19!!! (11,9)
NOV 10, 2018 - SAC vs. LAL - McGee 8 (7,1), Chandler 12 (6,4)
NOV 12, 2018 - SAC vs. SAS - Aldridge 18!!! (10,6)

In 12 of 14 games this season Willie's opponent took more rebounds than season's average. Willie also adds only 0,5 blocks. Can anyone explain me how to build a winning team with such a terrible rim protector at center position, who can't play PF and stretch the floor?

They are all things that I'm sure the FO will be bringing up in negotiations with WCS agent. Fact is if he was even above average as a rim protector and rebounder what sort of player would we have on our hands? We are talking about one of the best 5s in the NBA (which WCS is playing at that level right now in fact).
I'm not a huge WCS fan, I don't mind him (probably if anything I lean to the thinking like you), but I'm also going to give him credit where it's due and realise he isn't good at the things you point out. I would say the only games where these numbers are annoying are the ones where you have !!!, which is 3 and maybe even the Ibaka one. Other than that you list players that he didn't even go up against. I know you said rim protector with him, but you didn't give him credit for keeping anyone under their average, Oct 19 against Davis he had 2 fewer so some might argue that was one of his main goals for the game, to keep him off the glass.
Well done on the research too though and digging that up, it was good going through it.
So after saying all that I didn't answer your question, however there are many ways to skin a cat, this team isn't a finished product, particularly player personnel wise and lets see where the playoffs go this year with the increased scoring.

[dckingsfan]

I am kind of in the 4/60 - but we are close

My take is that letting him walk with nothing is much better than overpaying.

I don't agree, you can't waste an asset like that. If you aren't going to match you need to at least get something back in a sign and trade.

Two things there really.

First, I think overpaying and he moves from asset to boat anchor. Hence - overpaying worse than letting go. Happens sometimes. Let's say someone offers him

Second, a S&T is terrific - I wouldn't have any problem with at all. But hypothetically, say someone offers him 4/100 or 4/90 or 4/80 or ... for me you match at 4/60 or 4/70 but not above.

[Popovich]

I did not have a clue that he is such a bad rim protector. He is athletic enough to become better rim protector, maybe it's about positioning and timing, these things can be learned and I am sure he will improve in the mentioned segment. OTOH I thought he played well this season so far, he is exciting player to watch, he rolls well after pick and I think we will see even more alley oops designed for him now when Bogdan Bogdanovic is available. These two linked pretty well last season.

[bleeds_purple]

I am kind of in the 4/60 - but we are close

My take is that letting him walk with nothing is much better than overpaying.

I don't agree, you can't waste an asset like that. If you aren't going to match you need to at least get something back in a sign and trade.

All depends on who else you can sign and how you use your cap space. You can't look at it in a vacuum. Using space on another player rather than resigning him is not wasting the assets. In other words, the "asset" can just as easily be viewed as the cap space rather than the player.

I'm ambivalent when it comes to WCS. One one hand, he is a pretty nice athlete and compliments the way the team is playing. On the other hand, he is low IQ and prone to frequently make boneheaded plays.

In the long run, if Bagley pans out he's the starting C or at the very least will be playing center during the most important points of the game. So that means WCS essentially becomes the nominal backup whether he starts or not. I think he would be a great backup. But I also think he would be a malcontent and potential locker room cancer if relegated to being a backup. You can tell he thinks very highly of himself.