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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#781 » by BoogieTime » Thu Feb 6, 2020 11:12 pm

kalenclayton wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:Not happy at all. Just our pick this year/BOgi should’ve beat the Wolves package

Why do you want Russell on the team? He hasn’t proven very much and he’s VERY overpaid. He’s a negative asset who wouldn’t fix anything on this team.


Cool it with the absolutes as if your an authority, your not and it’s rude

He would represent a shot at acquiring a second high end talent that could possibly develop into a Star. Those aren’t readily available for a small market team with a negative FA rep. You can get those with high end talent deprecated assets (Rudy Gay) and hope they develop. Where else? Drafting 8-10 or higher as the probability to this season and with this core? In FA?

He helped guide the Nets to a better record than what they are slated to have without him

If you read my messages you would understand my belief in playmaking, guards, and what the unit needs - playmaking (one of the reasons Bogdan was inserted)

Now we are fitting to pay Bogdan 1/2 to 2/3 of his salary that doesn’t have his timeline or high end capability IMO
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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#782 » by Castor_Troy » Thu Feb 6, 2020 11:31 pm

When did this board get so soft? Everybody is so sensitive and all up in their feelings if anyone disagrees with them :lol:
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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#783 » by kalenclayton » Fri Feb 7, 2020 12:02 am

BoogieTime wrote:
kalenclayton wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:Not happy at all. Just our pick this year/BOgi should’ve beat the Wolves package

Why do you want Russell on the team? He hasn’t proven very much and he’s VERY overpaid. He’s a negative asset who wouldn’t fix anything on this team.


Cool it with the absolutes as if your an authority, your not and it’s rude

He would represent a shot at acquiring a second high end talent that could possibly develop into a Star. Those aren’t readily available for a small market team with a negative FA rep. You can get those with high end talent deprecated assets (Rudy Gay) and hope they develop. Where else? Drafting 8-10 or higher as the probability to this season and with this core? In FA?

He helped guide the Nets to a better record than what they are slated to have without him

If you read my messages you would understand my belief in playmaking, guards, and what the unit needs - playmaking (one of the reasons Bogdan was inserted)

Now we are fitting to pay Bogdan 1/2 to 2/3 of his salary that doesn’t have his timeline or high end capability IMO

I stated my opinion. It may have been strong, but I don’t believe it was rude at all.

I respect that you responded with reasoning on why you like him. I think his playmaking and scoring would be a nice to have, but I’m just not a believer in him getting close to the salary that he's getting. His advanced stats don’t scream star to me. Based on counting stats, he’s never finished a season with a positive net rating. Based on advanced stats, he’s always been a negative in dbpm, granted, he had a pretty good obpm last season. His PIPM has been a negative for his career (and this season). RAPTOR had him showing promise offensively last season, so that could be evidence that I’m totally wrong. I just see a high usage guy who is a bad defender. We already have enough bad defenders on the Kings.

Just my opinion.
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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#784 » by bleeds_purple » Fri Feb 7, 2020 1:41 am

Castor_Troy wrote:When did this board get so soft? Everybody is so sensitive and all up in their feelings if anyone disagrees with them :lol:


DeMarcus was always an emotional lesbian. Maybe it has to do with the names :lol:
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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#785 » by BoogieTime » Fri Feb 7, 2020 2:29 am

kalenclayton wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:
kalenclayton wrote:Why do you want Russell on the team? He hasn’t proven very much and he’s VERY overpaid. He’s a negative asset who wouldn’t fix anything on this team.


Cool it with the absolutes as if your an authority, your not and it’s rude

He would represent a shot at acquiring a second high end talent that could possibly develop into a Star. Those aren’t readily available for a small market team with a negative FA rep. You can get those with high end talent deprecated assets (Rudy Gay) and hope they develop. Where else? Drafting 8-10 or higher as the probability to this season and with this core? In FA?

He helped guide the Nets to a better record than what they are slated to have without him

If you read my messages you would understand my belief in playmaking, guards, and what the unit needs - playmaking (one of the reasons Bogdan was inserted)

Now we are fitting to pay Bogdan 1/2 to 2/3 of his salary that doesn’t have his timeline or high end capability IMO

I stated my opinion. It may have been strong, but I don’t believe it was rude at all.

I respect that you responded with reasoning on why you like him. I think his playmaking and scoring would be a nice to have, but I’m just not a believer in him getting close to the salary that he's getting. His advanced stats don’t scream star to me. Based on counting stats, he’s never finished a season with a positive net rating. Based on advanced stats, he’s always been a negative in dbpm, granted, he had a pretty good obpm last season. His PIPM has been a negative for his career (and this season). RAPTOR had him showing promise offensively last season, so that could be evidence that I’m totally wrong. I just see a high usage guy who is a bad defender. We already have enough bad defenders on the Kings.

Just my opinion.


Ok, it’s all good.

He’s 23 and developing. McCollum has had negative defensive impact his career but I’m not sure anyone questions that he’s helped Portland as a prolific guard, without DLo IMO level of BBIQ.

I’d still rather pay him than pay what BOgi will be slated to get, and still struggle to find better ways of acquiring stud talent as this team isn’t slated to pick top half of the lottery with this core or a draw in FA (the T/T board collectively think D Lo has more upside than 2020 guards anyways)
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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#786 » by Kobblehead » Sun Feb 9, 2020 2:41 pm

Any interest in a De'Aaron Fox plus salary for Ben Simmons trade this summer?
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Post#787 » by kalenclayton » Sun Feb 9, 2020 4:39 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Any interest in a De'Aaron Fox plus salary for Ben Simmons trade this summer?

As a fan, I’d be interested but I’m not sure I’d pull the trigger. Simmons operates even less than Fox outside of the paint. He’s a non-factor out there. That means that the team would have to make quite a few follow up moves. Not saying I wouldn’t be in favor, but it would cause such a large ripple effect that I’m not sure the team would come out better.

Vlade would absolutely say no though. He’s attached his job to Fox. He didn’t draft Doncic because of him. He loves him.
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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#788 » by bleeds_purple » Sun Feb 9, 2020 6:14 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Any interest in a De'Aaron Fox plus salary for Ben Simmons trade this summer?


My only interest in Simmons is pairing him with Fox. How about Bagley and our FRP (top 3 protected)? We can throw in a slightly used Corey Joseph.
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Post#789 » by Kobblehead » Sun Feb 9, 2020 9:39 pm

My goal is to pair a star ball handler with Joel Embiid so if Fox isn't obtainable, I'd probably shop Simmons elsewhere.
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Post#790 » by OGSactownballer » Sun Feb 9, 2020 10:47 pm

I still feel that ultimately because of his lack of an outside game that the best thing to do with Simmons is to move him to SF.

So that trade would then leave us lacking an effective PG (a scoring one would be fine with Simmons) so it kind of becomes an neutral move.
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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#791 » by skywalker33 » Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:51 pm

bleeds_purple wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Any interest in a De'Aaron Fox plus salary for Ben Simmons trade this summer?


My only interest in Simmons is pairing him with Fox. How about Bagley and our FRP (top 3 protected)? We can throw in a slightly used Corey Joseph.


Already giving up on Bagley ?? Wow :o
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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#792 » by kalenclayton » Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:06 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
bleeds_purple wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Any interest in a De'Aaron Fox plus salary for Ben Simmons trade this summer?


My only interest in Simmons is pairing him with Fox. How about Bagley and our FRP (top 3 protected)? We can throw in a slightly used Corey Joseph.


Already giving up on Bagley ?? Wow :o

Not all Kings fans are. I’m not. Bagley’s had a rough go so far (injuries especially) and the hate he gets isn’t justified. It’s not his fault he was drafted before Luka.
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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#793 » by bleeds_purple » Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:57 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
bleeds_purple wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Any interest in a De'Aaron Fox plus salary for Ben Simmons trade this summer?


My only interest in Simmons is pairing him with Fox. How about Bagley and our FRP (top 3 protected)? We can throw in a slightly used Corey Joseph.


Already giving up on Bagley ?? Wow :o


I dunno that trading Bagley for Simmons is necessarily giving up.
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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#794 » by dckingsfan » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:46 pm

bleeds_purple wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
bleeds_purple wrote:
My only interest in Simmons is pairing him with Fox. How about Bagley and our FRP (top 3 protected)? We can throw in a slightly used Corey Joseph.


Already giving up on Bagley ?? Wow :o


I dunno that trading Bagley for Simmons is necessarily giving up.

Fox, Bogs, Hield, Simmons, Barnes, Bjelica, Homes...
then
Joseph, Parker, James

Kind of like it...
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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#795 » by dckingsfan » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:47 pm

kalenclayton wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
bleeds_purple wrote:My only interest in Simmons is pairing him with Fox. How about Bagley and our FRP (top 3 protected)? We can throw in a slightly used Corey Joseph.

Already giving up on Bagley ?? Wow :o

Not all Kings fans are. I’m not. Bagley’s had a rough go so far (injuries especially) and the hate he gets isn’t justified. It’s not his fault he was drafted before Luka.

This - and it was always going to take him longer to develop.

Just don't see him as untouchable.
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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#796 » by Jkam31 » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:50 am

kalenclayton wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Any interest in a De'Aaron Fox plus salary for Ben Simmons trade this summer?

As a fan, I’d be interested but I’m not sure I’d pull the trigger. Simmons operates even less than Fox outside of the paint. He’s a non-factor out there. That means that the team would have to make quite a few follow up moves. Not saying I wouldn’t be in favor, but it would cause such a large ripple effect that I’m not sure the team would come out better.

Vlade would absolutely say no though. He’s attached his job to Fox. He didn’t draft Doncic because of him. He loves him.


Ben being an elite defender makes me do this trade dude could guard 1-4 that’s extremely valuable. All he’s easier to build around, with Fox your stuck with a Fox/Bogi backcourt but with Ben you can plug a pg in the line up and have Ben lineup anywhere from 1-4
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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#797 » by TheBigDingus » Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:36 pm

The salaries work during this offseason, but it would require a Bogdanovic sign-and-trade.

Bogdan Bogdanovic, Nemanja Bjelica, Harrison Barnes, Kings’ 2022 FRP for Myles Turner, TJ Warren, TJ McConnell: https://i.imgur.com/XB0RZVy.jpg ***

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PICK WOULD BE A 2022 FIRST ROUND PICK, TOP 5 PROTECTED. IF THE KINGS GET TO KEEP THEIR PICK THEN IT CONVERTS TO TWO 2024 SECONDS, SACRAMENTO’S AND PORTLAND’S.


The Kings do this because:

Myles Turner is arguably the best possible center fit for their team basketball-wise. When he isn't dominating the paint, he stretches the floor (at the top of the key behind the 3pt line, or in the corner) and leaves space for Sabonis to go to work under the basket. Myles then covers for him on defence, seeing as he's usually the closest man to halfcourt. This perfectly compliments the fact that Sacramento's young stars De'Aaron Fox and Marvin Bagley III are both transition dominant, slashing players who require space and a defensive anchor.

As of the trade deadline, Myles Turner has played 311 games in his career. He has 14 shots or more in 49 games (15% of his career). When he has 14 or more attempts, he averages: 20.7ppg, 9.5rpg, 52% from the field, 38% from 3 (3.0 attempts), .59TS% 76% FT, 2.6bpg, in 32mpg. So getting him somewhere where he'll get more touches should help him a ton.

TJ Warren gives them someone else who can create off the dribble and can hold his own on defence, sliding into where Harrison Barnes used to play.

TJ McConnell gives them the backup PG they were looking for in Cory Joseph to ease the pressure off of Fox.

Lineup: Fox-Hield-Warren-Bagley-Turner

The Pacers do this because:

The Pacers acquire 3 premier three-point specialists who can space the floor for Domantas Sabonis. They FINALLY get a true power forward and net positive defender in Bjelica, as well as a 3&D combo forward in Barnes; something every team in the modern NBA needs. Bogdanovic, (who can play both the SG and SF) has been a hot asset all year and has been playing improved defence since being made a starter. In his past 17 games, he has recorded over a steal and less than 0.81 turnovers per game. (3-1 assist to turnover ratio.) That being said, any perceived defensive nosedive on the Pacer's side will hold up just fine; especially with the return of star player Victor Oladipo. This gives the Pacers INSANE lineup switchability by allowing them to run 3 different forward combinations being:

- Bogdanovic/Bjelica

- Barnes/Bjelica

- Bogdanovic/Barnes

Not to mention this is all without Jeremy Lamb AND Doug McDermott, who can both also run the 3.

Doing this also gives Indiana a failsafe in Bogdanovic if things with Oladipo/Lamb aren’t the same after their injuries. This move allows them to play a similar drive and kick style similar to the Milwaukee Bucks and Giannis Antetokounmpo. Only this time it’s Sabonis kicking it out to Brogdon/Oladipo/Bogdonavic/Lamb/McDermott/Barnes/Bjelica. Lastly, their bench gets considerably better. A solid bench is key to a deep run in the playoffs, something Pacers fans have been salivating at for far too long. Added picks are the cherry on top for Indiana here.

Lineup: Brogdon-Oladipo-Bogdanovic/Lamb/McDermott/Barnes/Bjelica-Sabonis

The Kings also have 3 second-round picks this year so tack some of those on/change the pick protections on the 2021 first if Indiana wants more. Kings' center Richaun Holmes could always be swapped in for Bjelica if they would rather more rim protection over spacing, and if you want to keep McConnell he could be changed for anyone else on the Pacers roster that makes the salaries work (There are many).

Let me know if there’s anything that you’d change!!
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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#798 » by TheBigDingus » Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:58 pm

I just want to start off by saying that I don't think Luke Walton is a bad coach, I just don't think he's the best person the Kings could have picked. In my opinion, the person best suited for this job is the reigning champion Toronto Raptors’ assistant coach, Adrian Griffin. This may surprise some, as Griffin isn’t really a household name and this would be his first official NBA coaching job, but he’s got more than enough on his resume to make up for that. He’s a defensive-minded coach who knows the Raptors switches/system, a former player AND has also helped coach the US Olympic team. Still not enough? Well let’s take a deep dive on his past assistant jobs in the NBA to get a feel for the talent that he’s worked with:

2008 - 2010: Assistant coach for the Milwaukee Bucks

This was Griffin’s first coaching job, but his results still showed. You have to keep in mind this was a pre-Giannis Antetokounmpo Bucks team, led by an older Michael Redd. In his first season with the team, they improved from 26 wins to 34 wins. Nothing to write home about but still a decent improvement from the year prior. The next year, he and head coach John Skiles lead the team to the playoffs with a record of 46-36! In two years in his tenure, the team improved by 20 wins. This was his final year with the team, and after his departure, the Bucks slid back to 35 wins.

2010 - 2015: Assistant coach for the Chicago Bulls

This is where, in my opinion, Griffin becomes really interesting in relation to the Kings. In these years, he got to coach and experience a young, prime, MVP Derrick Rose at the full peak of his athletic ability. These teams were fast due to Derrick Rose, mean defensively due to big man Joakim Noah, (which could help Marvin Bagley) and a constant playoff threat. Once again just like his prior job, after his departure and the regression/injuries on certain key players, the Bulls saw themselves fall from 50 wins to 37 and out of the playoffs.

2015 - 2016: Assistant coach for the Orlando Magic

Going 35-47, this remains to be his worst year behind the bench. However, I’ll give him a pass seeing as it was a single year and the Magic didn’t have much of a team as they were rebuilding around a young Aaron Gordon and Victor Oladipo.

2016 - 2018: Assistant coach for the Oklahoma City Thunder

For the second time in his career, Griffin got to coach one of the most electrifying, athletic point guards in the NBA now in Russell Westbrook. Just like Derrick Rose and the Bulls, Westbrook won the league MVP in his tenure. The Thunder were contenders every year that he was there and again, saw their win total diminish in his absence, despite not much difference in the roster this time.

2018 - Present: Assistant coach for the Toronto Raptors

When Dwayne Casey was fired from Toronto and Nick Nurse needed to build a coaching staff, guess who got the call? That’s right, not only did he win the championship in the first year as an assistant coach; We also saw/are seeing huge strides from Toronto’s young point guard in Fred VanVleet as well as a developed shooting stroke on big man Pascal Siakam, (again, something that could be used to help mentor Marvin Bagley and Harry Giles.)

To recap, he kept the mediocre Bucks afloat, improving their win total by 20 on an ageing team. The Bulls were contenders in his tenure, so were the Thunder, and he straight up won with the Raptors in a year. The man has a track record of carrying a winning culture pretty much wherever he goes. He has a history of success with young, athletic point guards with a shaky shot similar to De’Aaron Fox (MVP Westbrook/Rose) or his development of big guys like Siakam and Noah is very encouraging to me when it comes to the Kings’ young frontcourt. There were rumours that surfaced that indicated that the Grizzlies may be looking to make a move for him last season but I doubt they would still be interested as they already replaced their former coach, JB Bickerstaff with Taylor Jenkins the last offseason and are seeing success under him this year. If the Kings DO move on from Walton this offseason, they should do everything they can to get their hands on this guy before it’s too late.

Jerami Grant talking about AG aiding his development:
https://oklahoman.com/article/5570846/okc-thunder-journal-jerami-grant-honing-control-on-drives-to-basket
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Re: Kings Trade Thread 

Post#799 » by NYG » Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:14 am

Taurean Prince and 20th Overall Draft Pick for Nemanja Bjelica and Justin James?
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Post#800 » by BoogieTime » Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:29 pm

NYG wrote:Taurean Prince and 20th Overall Draft Pick for Nemanja Bjelica and Justin James?

Many Kings fans would like James over the 20, so you might want to present this as a 2nd or two

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