Looked better last night

OGSactownballer · Post #1 » by **OGSactownballer** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:56 pm

I was a little nervous after PS GM 1 (same old Luke BS). But last night looked markedly better.

BoogieTime · Post #2 » by **BoogieTime** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:03 pm

Young players look good. Fox, not so much. He needs to pick it up

Post #3 » by **KF10** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:24 pm

It was a good bounce back from the first pre-season game. Let's see if the Kings can continue with the improved play.

SmellingColors · Post #4 » by **SmellingColors** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 1:15 am

I was especially interested in how well James and Haliburton played. They both seemed to really get into the passing lanes and had an energy about them that I've missed seeing in Kings teams. Forgot how much I love watching guys just compete hard.

MarxyLebronist · Post #5 » by **MarxyLebronist** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:09 pm

They are very frustrating to follow.

It does not look good and I am so disappointed in this ownership (are they still working for the Warriors?) and the never-ending carousel of overpaid role players.

I was glad to see Giannis take his deal though, as it would be a death knell to have MIL-SAC bottom out off of that miscue on the trade announcement. Suggests that perhaps there is still a chance for the Kings to take an actual step forward here.
Skeptical until it actually happens, and they sure look like they got backed into a corner and handcuffed on the money they handed out. But I always want to see good things happen, for Sac especially since you're stuck with an arena that probably should not have been built. We could say that more forcefully if it's another 5 years and still no sense of being a contender any time soon. Let's earn that location investment here at some point with the on-court success.

For now, as an objective league wide fan: Incomplete.

Post #6 » by **codydaze** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:08 pm

BoogieTime wrote:Young players look good. Fox, not so much. He needs to pick it up

I'm not really worried about how Fox performs in preseason, it looks like he's just working on pull up jump shots which I'm totally fine with. I expect him to tone that down once the season gets going and get more into attack mode. His free throw shooting is definitely still a concern though. He really needs to get up to 78-82% from the line with the rate that he can get there. That instantly adds a point or two to his season average.

Post #7 » by **codydaze** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:09 pm

MarxyLebronist wrote:They are very frustrating to follow.

It does not look good and I am so disappointed in this ownership (are they still working for the Warriors?) and the never-ending carousel of overpaid role players.

I was glad to see Giannis take his deal though, as it would be a death knell to have MIL-SAC bottom out off of that miscue on the trade announcement. Suggests that perhaps there is still a chance for the Kings to take an actual step forward here.
Skeptical until it actually happens, and they sure look like they got backed into a corner and handcuffed on the money they handed out. But I always want to see good things happen, for Sac especially since you're stuck with an arena that probably should not have been built. We could say that more forcefully if it's another 5 years and still no sense of being a contender any time soon. Let's earn that location investment here at some point with the on-court success.

For now, as an objective league wide fan: Incomplete.

We didn't sign any free agents for more than the minimum...

MarxyLebronist · Post #8 » by **MarxyLebronist** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:46 pm

Don't quite follow- the money to Barnes, Fox, and Hield (and not getting any value or actual future options/flexibility from Bogdanovic) is problem enough and the team does not have relevant cap room until Joseph is off the books. Bagley getting extended sometime before he actually hits the market and taking up the next potential space would be the predictable icing on this very Kings cake.

Post #9 » by **codydaze** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:01 pm

MarxyLebronist wrote:Don't quite follow- the money to Barnes, Fox, and Hield (and not getting any value or actual future options/flexibility from Bogdanovic) is problem enough and the team does not have relevant cap room until Joseph is off the books. Bagley getting extended sometime before he actually hits the market and taking up the next potential space would be the predictable icing on this very Kings cake.

Barnes and Buddy were extended by the previous GM and Fox is who this team is being built around. I wouldn't be surprised at all if one, or even both, of Barnes and Buddy are moved by the deadline.

blind prophet · Post #10 » by **blind prophet** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:11 pm

The ball pressure and traps after some of the scores was really nice to see. Hope we see more of that in the regular season. They should over do it in preseason to get used to it.

MarxyLebronist · Post #11 » by **MarxyLebronist** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:11 pm

codydaze wrote:
MarxyLebronist wrote:Don't quite follow- the money to Barnes, Fox, and Hield (and not getting any value or actual future options/flexibility from Bogdanovic) is problem enough and the team does not have relevant cap room until Joseph is off the books. Bagley getting extended sometime before he actually hits the market and taking up the next potential space would be the predictable icing on this very Kings cake.

Barnes and Buddy were extended by the previous GM and Fox is who this team is being built around. I wouldn't be surprised at all if one, or even both, of Barnes and Buddy are moved by the deadline.

Same owner, bad and entitled coach. But more importantly, blaming GMs when the owner is in the draft room calling shots isn't going far. It's no big deal though. Fans of languishing franchises have to hope and excuse like this, and I am 100% on their side in wanting good things. On the other hand, the team's skill at dealmaking has no strong results to point to at present, so you'll forgive me and many for not believing as of yet. Without wishing or speculating, I'll stick with the current situation being bad. Actual clear changes are required to change the record. You have suggested that losing games this season is fine since the players are on their way out. That would of course be a terrible way to go about things if the leadership in the franchise were the ones saying such a thing. But again, I know the lament of the tortured fan well. Hope it gets better soon, for sure.

SmellingColors · Post #12 » by **SmellingColors** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:03 am

MarxyLebronist wrote:
codydaze wrote:
MarxyLebronist wrote:Don't quite follow- the money to Barnes, Fox, and Hield (and not getting any value or actual future options/flexibility from Bogdanovic) is problem enough and the team does not have relevant cap room until Joseph is off the books. Bagley getting extended sometime before he actually hits the market and taking up the next potential space would be the predictable icing on this very Kings cake.

Barnes and Buddy were extended by the previous GM and Fox is who this team is being built around. I wouldn't be surprised at all if one, or even both, of Barnes and Buddy are moved by the deadline.

Same owner, bad and entitled coach. But more importantly, blaming GMs when the owner is in the draft room calling shots isn't going far. It's no big deal though. Fans of languishing franchises have to hope and excuse like this, and I am 100% on their side in wanting good things. On the other hand, the team's skill at dealmaking has no strong results to point to at present, so you'll forgive me and many for not believing as of yet. Without wishing or speculating, I'll stick with the current situation being bad. Actual clear changes are required to change the record. You have suggested that losing games this season is fine since the players are on their way out. That would of course be a terrible way to go about things if the leadership in the franchise were the ones saying such a thing. But again, I know the lament of the tortured fan well. Hope it gets better soon, for sure.

Frankly, it doesn't seem like your comment is adding much. We are all aware of the current situation, meddling owner, and bad coach as well as former GM mistakes. It's not about making excuses, but taking the situation as it lies rather than dwelling on things that cannot be changed. Most of us have chosen to move forward and judge McNair on what he's able to do given a very poor situation.

blind prophet · Post #13 » by **blind prophet** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:56 am

SmellingColors wrote:
MarxyLebronist wrote:
codydaze wrote:
Barnes and Buddy were extended by the previous GM and Fox is who this team is being built around. I wouldn't be surprised at all if one, or even both, of Barnes and Buddy are moved by the deadline.

Same owner, bad and entitled coach. But more importantly, blaming GMs when the owner is in the draft room calling shots isn't going far. It's no big deal though. Fans of languishing franchises have to hope and excuse like this, and I am 100% on their side in wanting good things. On the other hand, the team's skill at dealmaking has no strong results to point to at present, so you'll forgive me and many for not believing as of yet. Without wishing or speculating, I'll stick with the current situation being bad. Actual clear changes are required to change the record. You have suggested that losing games this season is fine since the players are on their way out. That would of course be a terrible way to go about things if the leadership in the franchise were the ones saying such a thing. But again, I know the lament of the tortured fan well. Hope it gets better soon, for sure.

Frankly, it doesn't seem like your comment is adding much. We are all aware of the current situation, meddling owner, and bad coach as well as former GM mistakes. It's not about making excuses, but taking the situation as it lies rather than dwelling on things that cannot be changed. Most of us have chosen to move forward and judge McNair on what he's able to do given a very poor situation.

I lol'd at some of the things we got to hear about the Bogi situation.

The proper decision if we did not plan to keep him would of been to trade him at the deadline last year...And Vlade would of matched.

But Vlade wasn't here any more.

Sure the bottom line stinks, but how is that McNair's fault & all?

But you were offered something later should of taken it from Atlanta, but McNair refused free stuff with no context. Most of us know what how crappy things have been, but it's not even worth the time most of the time to even talk with outsiders about the situation and just accept the notion we are viewed terribly, and often rightfully so.

MarxyLebronist · Post #14 » by **MarxyLebronist** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:00 am

This season needs to show some sign Vivek is not just trotting out a hapless Sacramento Generals squad. So far tonight and this preseason, as well as the trade error, it doesn’t look like we’ll get that sign.

Post #15 » by **codydaze** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:25 am

MarxyLebronist wrote:This season needs to show some sign Vivek is not just trotting out a hapless Sacramento Generals squad. So far tonight and this preseason, as well as the trade error, it doesn’t look like we’ll get that sign.

You do know it's rumored that Vivek wanted Luka but it was Vlade's decision to take Bagley right? Vivek meddling in roster decisions is a played out criticism, it's just not the case anymore. He hasn't been a perfect owner but he's been hands off with basketball decisions at least the last 4-5 years.

MarxyLebronist · Post #16 » by **MarxyLebronist** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:41 am

My goodness, the revisionism. And to blame a departed GM at a time like this. The writing is on the wall. My apologies. Kings in the process of going from blowing out to getting blown out here in this slopfest.

Post #17 » by **codydaze** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:56 am

MarxyLebronist wrote:My goodness, the revisionism. And to blame a departed GM at a time like this. The writing is on the wall. My apologies. Kings in the process of going from blowing out to getting blown out here in this slopfest.

Are you implying that Vlade was a good GM? I honestly don't know what point you're trying to make here. Putting the hands of the franchise in Vlade and Peja was absolutely a colossal mistake and one Vivek should be criticized for but Vlade is the one responsible for putting the roster together the way it has been. You can say Vivek had a say in trading for Buddy because of his crush on him but what other moves are you saying Vivek had a hand in? Can you name any?

And although Vivek should 100% be criticized for putting Vlade in charge as I said, he went with a consulting firm this time around and made what seems so far to be a good hire with Monte Mcnair and allowed him to build a front office the way he wanted to.

And what game are you watching where we are getting blown out?

MarxyLebronist · Post #18 » by **MarxyLebronist** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:04 am

It’s a nice arena. There are worse legacies, I suppose. All the losses (including this one) are on Vivek’s tab.

MarxyLebronist · Post #19 » by **MarxyLebronist** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:22 am

Just atrocious, this performance they’re finishing up here with the predicted loss. I want better, and I’m sorry to seem like a rude interloper- justified. But this season is so short and the teams ready to compete now are the ones to believe in. Speculative trades, rear view blame gaming, and the inevitable coach dump coming next- these are not winning narratives. Vivek looks increasingly like a league insider transaction for arena development purposes, little else.

Post game EDIT: Lol I stand corrected wow Guy! Let me have it, I deserve it for that one. Watch them trade him to the Warriors for Wiggins now.

OGSactownballer · Post #20 » by **OGSactownballer** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:46 am

MarxyLebronist wrote:Just atrocious, this performance they’re finishing up here with the predicted loss. I want better, and I’m sorry to seem like a rude interloper- justified. But this season is so short and the teams ready to compete now are the ones to believe in. Speculative trades, rear view blame gaming, and the inevitable coach dump coming next- these are not winning narratives. Vivek looks increasingly like a league insider transaction for arena development purposes, little else.

Post game EDIT: Lol I stand corrected wow Guy! Let me have it, I deserve it for that one. Watch them trade him to the Warriors for Wiggins now.

So is this Vlade?

Or Grant posing as Vlade?

Or Peja?

Somebody is showing bias and I believe a very foreign learned command of English