Game 50 Thread - Kings (18-31) @ Hawks (21-25)

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[BoogieTime]

Hali/Davion, I'm here for it long term

[LightTheBeam]

Love to see it. Team plays well, starts doing nothing but jacking up bad 3s, not playing any defense. Atlanta takes the lead. Keep the tank rolling baby!

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[LightTheBeam]

When halis shot isn't falling, its tough to watch. He has zero other offensive moves.

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[LightTheBeam]

Offense is soo hard to watch without fox. Bunch of chickens with their heads cut off

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[BoogieTime]

Ridiculous 2nd quarter. Davion still a +2. Gentry is as bas as Walton.

[BoogieTime]

Holmes/Barnes, two vets who don't help or fit into long term plans. Hield... All there of them are names without substance who should not be here in the future. Vets who show no leadership or personality for the team either.

Bagley experiment is truly over. BBIQ can not be taught.

[BoogieTime]

Hali has been rough these last two games. He's entitled to it given his year, but, this is may take longer than expected for him to develop.

I still think Fox takes away from him and they are an odd fit, but the problems with energy and consistency are more than Fox than I have realized

Multi year rebuild

[sacking123]

How in the hell do the Kings just run the same stuff time and again? Against Atlanta why wouldn't they be just going at Trae primarily. He is a worse defender than Buddy, but sure, let's not use it at all.

Davion was good.
Barnes was good.
Everyone else? Terrible, absolutely terrible.

I said this after the first couple of games with Gentry, and I keep thinking it. Has an interim coach ever been fired. Because Gentry shouldn't be here. I'm not suggesting everything is on him, absolutely not.
BUT even when a guy (Doug) who had never coached a team before and only been an assistant for what 20-25 games got his chance, he added a small flavor of what he would be as a coach. That was for 3 games or whatever.
You don't need a training camp, you don't need a huge amount of time to make improvements to one of the worst teams in the sport.
What has Gentry done? What has the coaching staff implemented style wise or even scouting the opposition team?

Like, straight away next game against the 6ers. Assuming Fox is back.
On offense, take it to Korkmaz. If it's the below, Hali needs to take over whether that's on the P&R or clear out. Not suggesting its every single time, but as the primary offence and play off that.
Fox/Thybulle
Davion/Maxey
Hali/Korkmaz
Barnes/Harris
Holmes/Embiid

Bagley coming off the bench needs to dominate Niang.

On D, step off Thybulle and let him shoot as many 3s as possible. Make sure you have Hali matching up on Thybulle as much as possible. He is the best help defender. Needs to know where Embiid is at all times. Davion on Maxey and Fox on Korkmaz.
If the Kings aren't in the game at the half, put Queta in for as much of the second half against Embiid.
I'm not saying we would win the game, most likely not, but for goodness sake, try something!

[LightTheBeam]

Kings 1-6 when Fox doesn't play. 5 of them were blow outs. 4 of them we couldnt even break 100pts. Without him we are probably a 10 win team. It blows my mind people think he was the issue with this crap shoot team.

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[LightTheBeam]

How in the hell do the Kings just run the same stuff time and again? Against Atlanta why wouldn't they be just going at Trae primarily. He is a worse defender than Buddy, but sure, let's not use it at all.

Davion was good.
Barnes was good.
Everyone else? Terrible, absolutely terrible.

I said this after the first couple of games with Gentry, and I keep thinking it. Has an interim coach ever been fired. Because Gentry shouldn't be here. I'm not suggesting everything is on him, absolutely not.
BUT even when a guy (Doug) who had never coached a team before and only been an assistant for what 20-25 games got his chance, he added a small flavor of what he would be as a coach. That was for 3 games or whatever.
You don't need a training camp, you don't need a huge amount of time to make improvements to one of the worst teams in the sport.
What has Gentry done? What has the coaching staff implemented style wise or even scouting the opposition team?

Like, straight away next game against the 6ers. Assuming Fox is back.
On offense, take it to Korkmaz. If it's the below, Hali needs to take over whether that's on the P&R or clear out. Not suggesting its every single time, but as the primary offence and play off that.
Fox/Thybulle
Davion/Maxey
Hali/Korkmaz
Barnes/Harris
Holmes/Embiid

Bagley coming off the bench needs to dominate Niang.

On D, step off Thybulle and let him shoot as many 3s as possible. Make sure you have Hali matching up on Thybulle as much as possible. He is the best help defender. Needs to know where Embiid is at all times. Davion on Maxey and Fox on Korkmaz.
If the Kings aren't in the game at the half, put Queta in for as much of the second half against Embiid.
I'm not saying we would win the game, most likely not, but for goodness sake, try something!

Ya I mean it was evident that Gentry wasn't the answer. I was beyond disappointed that Monte decided he was better for the job that Christie. I get being respectful but screw that, you have a team to improve. I'm actually pretty happy we aren't going to make the play-in. Vivek and Monte would have rewarded him with a 5 year contract.

Hali is incapable of taking over. When his shot isn't falling he's almost a non factor on offense. He's good in the pick and roll, but I'm not sure he will ever be elite because he isn't fast enough. They basically run that play 75% of the time, and teams are able to sniff it out after the first quarter.

And Gentry is incapable of change. No excuse for woodard, Ramsey, queta to only get 10 minutes combined. Its incompetence

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[sacking123]

How in the hell do the Kings just run the same stuff time and again? Against Atlanta why wouldn't they be just going at Trae primarily. He is a worse defender than Buddy, but sure, let's not use it at all.

Davion was good.
Barnes was good.
Everyone else? Terrible, absolutely terrible.

I said this after the first couple of games with Gentry, and I keep thinking it. Has an interim coach ever been fired. Because Gentry shouldn't be here. I'm not suggesting everything is on him, absolutely not.
BUT even when a guy (Doug) who had never coached a team before and only been an assistant for what 20-25 games got his chance, he added a small flavor of what he would be as a coach. That was for 3 games or whatever.
You don't need a training camp, you don't need a huge amount of time to make improvements to one of the worst teams in the sport.
What has Gentry done? What has the coaching staff implemented style wise or even scouting the opposition team?

Like, straight away next game against the 6ers. Assuming Fox is back.
On offense, take it to Korkmaz. If it's the below, Hali needs to take over whether that's on the P&R or clear out. Not suggesting its every single time, but as the primary offence and play off that.
Fox/Thybulle
Davion/Maxey
Hali/Korkmaz
Barnes/Harris
Holmes/Embiid

Bagley coming off the bench needs to dominate Niang.

On D, step off Thybulle and let him shoot as many 3s as possible. Make sure you have Hali matching up on Thybulle as much as possible. He is the best help defender. Needs to know where Embiid is at all times. Davion on Maxey and Fox on Korkmaz.
If the Kings aren't in the game at the half, put Queta in for as much of the second half against Embiid.
I'm not saying we would win the game, most likely not, but for goodness sake, try something!

Ya I mean it was evident that Gentry wasn't the answer. I was beyond disappointed that Monte decided he was better for the job that Christie. I get being respectful but screw that, you have a team to improve. I'm actually pretty happy we aren't going to make the play-in. Vivek and Monte would have rewarded him with a 5 year contract.

Hali is incapable of taking over. When his shot isn't falling he's almost a non factor on offense. He's good in the pick and roll, but I'm not sure he will ever be elite because he isn't fast enough. They basically run that play 75% of the time, and teams are able to sniff it out after the first quarter.

And Gentry is incapable of change. No excuse for woodard, Ramsey, queta to only get 10 minutes combined. Its incompetence

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Just look at the last 24 hours. Two losses totaling 70 points and that young group of Jones/Woodard/Ramsey/Queta/King received something like 88-90 minutes total out of 480.

I don't blame anyone for not going with Doug as head coach, it was probably too soon for such an inexperienced guy to come in when the goal was to go for the play offs.
Now, surely they still don't believe this is achievable (they probably do!), however, when the realization of the POs isn't happening I would like to see Monte knock on Gentry's door and say, look we don't want your reputation to be tarnished here with a miserable end to the season so we would like to hand over the coaching duties to Doug for the final 20 games. Let's see what he can do with an experienced head coach like yourself next to him.
The time to do this is for the OKC game at home coming up. Gives him 28 games to mix things up and see if this coaching gig is something he wants to do.

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[LightTheBeam]

How in the hell do the Kings just run the same stuff time and again? Against Atlanta why wouldn't they be just going at Trae primarily. He is a worse defender than Buddy, but sure, let's not use it at all.

Davion was good.
Barnes was good.
Everyone else? Terrible, absolutely terrible.

I said this after the first couple of games with Gentry, and I keep thinking it. Has an interim coach ever been fired. Because Gentry shouldn't be here. I'm not suggesting everything is on him, absolutely not.
BUT even when a guy (Doug) who had never coached a team before and only been an assistant for what 20-25 games got his chance, he added a small flavor of what he would be as a coach. That was for 3 games or whatever.
You don't need a training camp, you don't need a huge amount of time to make improvements to one of the worst teams in the sport.
What has Gentry done? What has the coaching staff implemented style wise or even scouting the opposition team?

Like, straight away next game against the 6ers. Assuming Fox is back.
On offense, take it to Korkmaz. If it's the below, Hali needs to take over whether that's on the P&R or clear out. Not suggesting its every single time, but as the primary offence and play off that.
Fox/Thybulle
Davion/Maxey
Hali/Korkmaz
Barnes/Harris
Holmes/Embiid

Bagley coming off the bench needs to dominate Niang.

On D, step off Thybulle and let him shoot as many 3s as possible. Make sure you have Hali matching up on Thybulle as much as possible. He is the best help defender. Needs to know where Embiid is at all times. Davion on Maxey and Fox on Korkmaz.
If the Kings aren't in the game at the half, put Queta in for as much of the second half against Embiid.
I'm not saying we would win the game, most likely not, but for goodness sake, try something!

Ya I mean it was evident that Gentry wasn't the answer. I was beyond disappointed that Monte decided he was better for the job that Christie. I get being respectful but screw that, you have a team to improve. I'm actually pretty happy we aren't going to make the play-in. Vivek and Monte would have rewarded him with a 5 year contract.

Hali is incapable of taking over. When his shot isn't falling he's almost a non factor on offense. He's good in the pick and roll, but I'm not sure he will ever be elite because he isn't fast enough. They basically run that play 75% of the time, and teams are able to sniff it out after the first quarter.

And Gentry is incapable of change. No excuse for woodard, Ramsey, queta to only get 10 minutes combined. Its incompetence

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Just look at the last 24 hours. Two losses totaling 70 points and that young group of Jones/Woodard/Ramsey/Queta/King received something like 88-90 minutes total out of 480.

I don't blame anyone for not going with Doug as head coach, it was probably too soon for such an inexperienced guy to come in when the goal was to go for the play offs.
Now, surely they still don't believe this is achievable (they probably do!), however, when the realization of the POs isn't happening I would like to see Monte knock on Gentry's door and say, look we don't want your reputation to be tarnished here with a miserable end to the season so we would like to hand over the coaching duties to Doug for the final 20 games. Let's see what he can do with an experienced head coach like yourself next to him.
The time to do this is for the OKC game at home coming up. Gives him 28 games to mix things up and see if this coaching gig is something he wants to do.

I mean sure, but Gentry is basically a career of Walton. They are the same guy. At least Doug is a younger defensive guy who could be a motivator defensively.

I think you are wishful thinking. Our only hope is Gentry is tired of dealing with this lack of effort and decides to step away from the team. No chance he moves down a few seats for Doug.

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[sacking123]

Ya I mean it was evident that Gentry wasn't the answer. I was beyond disappointed that Monte decided he was better for the job that Christie. I get being respectful but screw that, you have a team to improve. I'm actually pretty happy we aren't going to make the play-in. Vivek and Monte would have rewarded him with a 5 year contract.

Hali is incapable of taking over. When his shot isn't falling he's almost a non factor on offense. He's good in the pick and roll, but I'm not sure he will ever be elite because he isn't fast enough. They basically run that play 75% of the time, and teams are able to sniff it out after the first quarter.

And Gentry is incapable of change. No excuse for woodard, Ramsey, queta to only get 10 minutes combined. Its incompetence

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Just look at the last 24 hours. Two losses totaling 70 points and that young group of Jones/Woodard/Ramsey/Queta/King received something like 88-90 minutes total out of 480.

I don't blame anyone for not going with Doug as head coach, it was probably too soon for such an inexperienced guy to come in when the goal was to go for the play offs.
Now, surely they still don't believe this is achievable (they probably do!), however, when the realization of the POs isn't happening I would like to see Monte knock on Gentry's door and say, look we don't want your reputation to be tarnished here with a miserable end to the season so we would like to hand over the coaching duties to Doug for the final 20 games. Let's see what he can do with an experienced head coach like yourself next to him.
The time to do this is for the OKC game at home coming up. Gives him 28 games to mix things up and see if this coaching gig is something he wants to do.

I mean sure, but Gentry is basically a career of Walton. They are the same guy. At least Doug is a younger defensive guy who could be a motivator defensively.

I think you are wishful thinking. Our only hope is Gentry is tired of dealing with this lack of effort and decides to step away from the team. No chance he moves down a few seats for Doug.

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Oh you're right, Gentry isn't moving aside for Doug. I am meaning it won't be Gentry's choice though. He can stay on as an assistant and we can sell it as what a great guy Gentry is, stepping aside so one of the most popular guys Sac has ever had in Doug can get a great learning experience on the job, or he can be stood down. If Gentry wants another chance on an NBA bench he knows what's up.
Sure the Kings will cop some flack for it too, but you can never look back on other people's poor choices (sacking 10 coaches in as many years etc) and not do the right thing for the organization because of it.

[BoogieTime]

Kings 1-6 when Fox doesn't play. 5 of them were blow outs. 4 of them we couldnt even break 100pts. Without him we are probably a 10 win team. It blows my mind people think he was the issue with this crap shoot team.

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When I see you filling up the thread, and I think I know what your saying, there are times when your coming off ignore.

any knowledge of advanced stats would tell you Fox has done nothing but hurt the Kings this year and cause them to lose. any knowledge of advanced stats would tell one Hali has had the best year by far, and has done nothing but help the team win. And is doing wonderfully for a second year player

Would Fox be better than the backups or rookies currently on the Kings on certain nights? Thats not saying he's the answer and correlation isnt causation in terms of how the team is playing, this is the first in several years Fox absence hasn't correlated to winning more

yes, a player making the max having horrible advanced stats, shooting 25% from 3, playing bad defense and having a demeanor that most fans term as "not trying hard" is an issue, if not one of 'the' issues. Even if the current iteration of the team would happen to be better with him on a given night doesn't mean he is the answer, now or long term

[LightTheBeam]

Kings 1-6 when Fox doesn't play. 5 of them were blow outs. 4 of them we couldnt even break 100pts. Without him we are probably a 10 win team. It blows my mind people think he was the issue with this crap shoot team.

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When I see you filling up the thread, and I think I know what your saying, there are times when your coming off ignore.

any knowledge of advanced stats would tell you Fox has done nothing but hurt the Kings this year and cause them to lose. any knowledge of advanced stats would tell one Hali has had the best year by far, and has done nothing but help the team win. And is doing wonderfully for a second year player

Would Fox be better than the backups or rookies currently on the Kings on certain nights? Thats not saying he's the answer and correlation isnt causation in terms of how the team is playing, this is the first in several years Fox absence hasn't correlated to winning more

yes, a player making the max having horrible advanced stats, shooting 25% from 3, playing bad defense and having a demeanor that most fans term as "not trying hard" is an issue, if not one of 'the' issues. Even if the current iteration of the team would happen to be better with him on a given night doesn't mean he is the answer, now or long term

Probably best you keep me on ignore, robot.

What are we posting about today? Vivek being poor, or your hate for Fox?

[BoogieTime]

Kings 1-6 when Fox doesn't play. 5 of them were blow outs. 4 of them we couldnt even break 100pts. Without him we are probably a 10 win team. It blows my mind people think he was the issue with this crap shoot team.

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When I see you filling up the thread, and I think I know what your saying, there are times when your coming off ignore.

any knowledge of advanced stats would tell you Fox has done nothing but hurt the Kings this year and cause them to lose. any knowledge of advanced stats would tell one Hali has had the best year by far, and has done nothing but help the team win. And is doing wonderfully for a second year player

Would Fox be better than the backups or rookies currently on the Kings on certain nights? Thats not saying he's the answer and correlation isnt causation in terms of how the team is playing, this is the first in several years Fox absence hasn't correlated to winning more

yes, a player making the max having horrible advanced stats, shooting 25% from 3, playing bad defense and having a demeanor that most fans term as "not trying hard" is an issue, if not one of 'the' issues. Even if the current iteration of the team would happen to be better with him on a given night doesn't mean he is the answer, now or long term

Probably best you keep me on ignore, robot.

What are we posting about today? Vivek being poor, or your hate for Fox?

Yet I knew what you were saying before read it.

There is a player making max who is putting up negative advanced stats, shooting 25% from three, playing bad defense, not taking leadership in the locker room and annoying the fanbase. Its Walton! Gentry! The supporting cast! The posters on RealGM!

[LightTheBeam]

When I see you filling up the thread, and I think I know what your saying, there are times when your coming off ignore.

any knowledge of advanced stats would tell you Fox has done nothing but hurt the Kings this year and cause them to lose. any knowledge of advanced stats would tell one Hali has had the best year by far, and has done nothing but help the team win. And is doing wonderfully for a second year player

Would Fox be better than the backups or rookies currently on the Kings on certain nights? Thats not saying he's the answer and correlation isnt causation in terms of how the team is playing, this is the first in several years Fox absence hasn't correlated to winning more

yes, a player making the max having horrible advanced stats, shooting 25% from 3, playing bad defense and having a demeanor that most fans term as "not trying hard" is an issue, if not one of 'the' issues. Even if the current iteration of the team would happen to be better with him on a given night doesn't mean he is the answer, now or long term

Probably best you keep me on ignore, robot.

What are we posting about today? Vivek being poor, or your hate for Fox?

Yet I knew what you were saying before read it.

There is a player making max who is putting up negative advanced stats, shooting 25% from three, playing bad defense, not taking leadership in the locker room and annoying the fanbase. Its Walton! Gentry! The supporting cast! The posters on RealGM!

I'm not shocked you don't see the irony.

[BoogieTime]

Probably best you keep me on ignore, robot.

What are we posting about today? Vivek being poor, or your hate for Fox?

Yet I knew what you were saying before read it.

There is a player making max who is putting up negative advanced stats, shooting 25% from three, playing bad defense, not taking leadership in the locker room and annoying the fanbase. Its Walton! Gentry! The supporting cast! The posters on RealGM!

I'm not shocked you don't see the irony.

The facts are on my side.

There is a player beginning a max contract putting up negative advanced stats, being one of the worst shooting guards in the league, playing bad defense, and giving IDGAF vibes in the locker room and to a lot of viewers watching

I should hate his play.

If I were biased against him I wouldve "hated" him before the season (to a grater extent, I always wasnt a fan per say)

IMO you have some type of issue in holding him accountable, and I can only guess why.