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Assuming we can no longer afford kuzma

Huerter + Mitchell + Duarte for John Collins really cleans up the roster

Fox (34) Monk (14)
Keon (18) Monk (14) Carter (16)
Keegan (32) Barnes (10) Keon (6)
Collins (14) Barnes (16) Lyles (16)
Sabonis (34) Collins (14)

9 man rotation. Len back for big center minutes.

First things first. Are the Kings willing to be a tax team?

If yes, I think the realistic targets are Collins, DFS, Stewart.
You're really looking at reclamation projects potentially if you're not including picks. Not sure of any others that are suitable that had a down year.

I'm really just not a fan of John Collins. I would be okay with trading for him but wouldn't be too inspired by it. In terms of most realistic trade candidates at this point, I'd probably rank my preferences:

1. Isaiah Stewart. I think has that dog mentality we need and can stretch the floor next to Sabonis. Very versatile and can play along any of our bigs.

2. Wendell Carter. Maybe not quite as versatile as Stew and more of a questionable fit with Sabonis but I've always really liked his game. Very solid defender and gives us a bit more size.

3. Cam Johnson/DFS. Dorian probably more realistic than Cam but both guys stretch the floor and give us a solid defender on the wing.

4. John Collins. Gives us athleticism and a guy that should be able to score the ball for us. Doesn't fix any defensive woes but hopefully another year of Mike Brown's system brings some improvement internally.

codydaze wrote:I'm really just not a fan of John Collins. I would be okay with trading for him but wouldn't be too inspired by it. In terms of most realistic trade candidates at this point, I'd probably rank my preferences:

1. Isaiah Stewart. I think has that dog mentality we need and can stretch the floor next to Sabonis. Very versatile and can play along any of our bigs.

2. Wendell Carter. Maybe not quite as versatile as Stew and more of a questionable fit with Sabonis but I've always really liked his game. Very solid defender and gives us a bit more size.

3. Cam Johnson/DFS. Dorian probably more realistic than Cam but both guys stretch the floor and give us a solid defender on the wing.

4. John Collins. Gives us athleticism and a guy that should be able to score the ball for us. Doesn't fix any defensive woes but hopefully another year of Mike Brown's system brings some improvement internally.

I think Collins is a better defender for what Sac needs than Barnes.

Just looking at the roster for next year, we have really beefed up our POA defense. Fox, Keon, Carter, Keegan are all really good perimeter defenders. With Keon over Huerter, we became a top 10 defense. I've never thought Davion was a good TEAM defender, he's fine man, but when he gets switched onto bigger guys hes useless. Carter won't have that same problem as it seems he can legit guard 1-3, and maybe even some smaller 4s, in that Holiday/White/Caruso/Bruce Brown mold.

Now back to Collins. He's averaged 8rbs per game his career, with some years as high as 10. He's averaged 1 block a game for his career with some as high as 1.6. This allows Sacramento to be very aggressive on the perimeter with our bull dogs, and then if Sabonis has to play out like he did a lot last year on switches, Collins is still there to help underneath.

To be fair I really like Stewart as well. I think there's room on the roster for both of them, which makes us a really big team overnight.

Start with your idea of Sasha/Huerter for Stewart
Then Davion/Barnes/Duarte for Collins.

Clear out the glut instantly

Bigs - Sabonis, Stewart, Lyles, Collins (3 bigs with good size who can spread the floor)
Wings - Keegan, Colby
Guards - Fox, Monk, Carter, Keon

You give Keon/Carter a lot of minutes at 3, basically playing small in the backcourt, but during those times you have 2 legit bigs up front instead of last year having Barnes at the 4 in some of those small ball lineups. I think it could work.

OxAndFox wrote:First things first. Are the Kings willing to be a tax team?

If yes, I think the realistic targets are Collins, DFS, Stewart.
You're really looking at reclamation projects potentially if you're not including picks. Not sure of any others that are suitable that had a down year.

Look at my post above. That actually cuts 12 million off the books and I don't believe we are a tax team in that scenario.

LightTheBeam wrote:

codydaze wrote:I'm really just not a fan of John Collins. I would be okay with trading for him but wouldn't be too inspired by it. In terms of most realistic trade candidates at this point, I'd probably rank my preferences:

1. Isaiah Stewart. I think has that dog mentality we need and can stretch the floor next to Sabonis. Very versatile and can play along any of our bigs.

2. Wendell Carter. Maybe not quite as versatile as Stew and more of a questionable fit with Sabonis but I've always really liked his game. Very solid defender and gives us a bit more size.

3. Cam Johnson/DFS. Dorian probably more realistic than Cam but both guys stretch the floor and give us a solid defender on the wing.

4. John Collins. Gives us athleticism and a guy that should be able to score the ball for us. Doesn't fix any defensive woes but hopefully another year of Mike Brown's system brings some improvement internally.

I think Collins is a better defender for what Sac needs than Barnes.

Just looking at the roster for next year, we have really beefed up our POA defense. Fox, Keon, Carter, Keegan are all really good perimeter defenders. With Keon over Huerter, we became a top 10 defense. I've never thought Davion was a good TEAM defender, he's fine man, but when he gets switched onto bigger guys hes useless. Carter won't have that same problem as it seems he can legit guard 1-3, and maybe even some smaller 4s, in that Holiday/White/Caruso/Bruce Brown mold.

Now back to Collins. He's averaged 8rbs per game his career, with some years as high as 10. He's averaged 1 block a game for his career with some as high as 1.6. This allows Sacramento to be very aggressive on the perimeter with our bull dogs, and then if Sabonis has to play out like he did a lot last year on switches, Collins is still there to help underneath.

To be fair I really like Stewart as well. I think there's room on the roster for both of them, which makes us a really big team overnight.

Start with your idea of Sasha/Huerter for Stewart
Then Davion/Barnes/Duarte for Collins.

Clear out the glut instantly

Bigs - Sabonis, Stewart, Lyles, Collins (3 bigs with good size who can spread the floor)
Wings - Keegan, Colby
Guards - Fox, Monk, Carter, Keon

You give Keon/Carter a lot of minutes at 3, basically playing small in the backcourt, but during those times you have 2 legit bigs up front instead of last year having Barnes at the 4 in some of those small ball lineups. I think it could work.

I wouldn't mind it for sure but I think I would rather have Barnes on the bench than move him for Collins. He'd be an expensive bench piece but I think he looks a lot better in the second unit, I think he's been scapegoated a bit because he definitely needs to be upgraded but he's still a 40+% shooter from three, very efficient and a great guy to have in the locker room. If you stop at the Huerter/Sasha for Stewart deal, a rotation looks like:

Fox/Carter/Davion
Keon/Monk/Colby
Keegan/Barnes/(Maybe throw in Troy Brown Jr from Det)
Stewart/Lyles/(Pick 45/FA)
Sabonis/Len/(Pick 45/FA)

Collins/Lyles definitely gives us more versatility in the front court but leaves us smaller at the 3. I think Sabonis/Lyles/Len could fully cover minutes at the 5 but none of those other bigs or Collins can play down to 3 like Barnes can. Whatever we do we need to bring in a guy that can be a legit 4 though.

Shedding Davion/Sasha for Jalen McDaniels… seems ok

codydaze wrote:

LightTheBeam wrote:

codydaze wrote:I'm really just not a fan of John Collins. I would be okay with trading for him but wouldn't be too inspired by it. In terms of most realistic trade candidates at this point, I'd probably rank my preferences:

1. Isaiah Stewart. I think has that dog mentality we need and can stretch the floor next to Sabonis. Very versatile and can play along any of our bigs.

2. Wendell Carter. Maybe not quite as versatile as Stew and more of a questionable fit with Sabonis but I've always really liked his game. Very solid defender and gives us a bit more size.

3. Cam Johnson/DFS. Dorian probably more realistic than Cam but both guys stretch the floor and give us a solid defender on the wing.

4. John Collins. Gives us athleticism and a guy that should be able to score the ball for us. Doesn't fix any defensive woes but hopefully another year of Mike Brown's system brings some improvement internally.

I think Collins is a better defender for what Sac needs than Barnes.

Just looking at the roster for next year, we have really beefed up our POA defense. Fox, Keon, Carter, Keegan are all really good perimeter defenders. With Keon over Huerter, we became a top 10 defense. I've never thought Davion was a good TEAM defender, he's fine man, but when he gets switched onto bigger guys hes useless. Carter won't have that same problem as it seems he can legit guard 1-3, and maybe even some smaller 4s, in that Holiday/White/Caruso/Bruce Brown mold.

Now back to Collins. He's averaged 8rbs per game his career, with some years as high as 10. He's averaged 1 block a game for his career with some as high as 1.6. This allows Sacramento to be very aggressive on the perimeter with our bull dogs, and then if Sabonis has to play out like he did a lot last year on switches, Collins is still there to help underneath.

To be fair I really like Stewart as well. I think there's room on the roster for both of them, which makes us a really big team overnight.

Start with your idea of Sasha/Huerter for Stewart
Then Davion/Barnes/Duarte for Collins.

Clear out the glut instantly

Bigs - Sabonis, Stewart, Lyles, Collins (3 bigs with good size who can spread the floor)
Wings - Keegan, Colby
Guards - Fox, Monk, Carter, Keon

You give Keon/Carter a lot of minutes at 3, basically playing small in the backcourt, but during those times you have 2 legit bigs up front instead of last year having Barnes at the 4 in some of those small ball lineups. I think it could work.

I wouldn't mind it for sure but I think I would rather have Barnes on the bench than move him for Collins. He'd be an expensive bench piece but I think he looks a lot better in the second unit, I think he's been scapegoated a bit because he definitely needs to be upgraded but he's still a 40+% shooter from three, very efficient and a great guy to have in the locker room. If you stop at the Huerter/Sasha for Stewart deal, a rotation looks like:

Fox/Carter/Davion
Keon/Monk/Colby
Keegan/Barnes/(Maybe throw in Troy Brown Jr from Det)
Stewart/Lyles/(Pick 45/FA)
Sabonis/Len/(Pick 45/FA)

Collins/Lyles definitely gives us more versatility in the front court but leaves us smaller at the 3. I think Sabonis/Lyles/Len could fully cover minutes at the 5 but none of those other bigs or Collins can play down to 3 like Barnes can. Whatever we do we need to bring in a guy that can be a legit 4 though.

That is fair, I just don't know that Stewart is really a starter.

I know that Collins is overpaid, but he rated out better than Stewart by almost every metric.

Advanced stats on offense and defense favor Collins. Rebounding pretty similar. Efficiency big nod to Collins. FT shooting Collins. Collins has had 4 years as a good 3pt shooter, Sterwart realy became one last year. Collins is the better athlete which I think plays better off of Sabonis/Monk. Collins clears him in LEBRON.

Financially we could really afford both + keep Barnes if we include Lyles without much struggle. That really might be the better play overall.

Sabonis 5
Collins 4-5
Stewart 4-5
Barnes 3-4
Keegan 3-4
Keon 2-3
Carter 1-3
Monk 1-2
Fox 1

In this scenario you have a bunch of guys who can swing positionally.

The bench of Monk - Carter - Barnes - Stewart looks like you could easily get by with a bunch of tough guys around Barnes.

BoogieTime wrote:Shedding Davion/Sasha for Jalen McDaniels… seems ok

McDaniels is probably a nothing. But it saved the Kings 8.3 million off the books and got rid of 2 guys who weren't in the long term plans. I'm fine with McDaniels as the 3rd string SF.

Fox/Monk
Keon/Carter/Colby
Keegan/x/McDaniels
x/Lyles
Sabonis

2 spots left to fill. Barnes, Huerter, Duarte the leftover salary to do it.

Don't love sending out two seconds in the deal. Felt there was value to be had at 45 and the POR second should have had a bit more value. Freeing up some cap maybe we're chasing Cam Johnson?

Well they just reported we also included #45 and Portland 2nd. Don't really care about #45, but Portland 2nd had some decent upside. It's hard for me to get worked up over 2nds, but damn... Davion should have been dump-able into cap space for a few teams. Then we shaved 2 mill off Sashas deal using #45 and Portland 2nd? Or Davion was that negative as well. Seems strange.

I get the motivation of the deal but value-wise? Not sure I like it.

codydaze wrote:Don't love sending out two seconds in the deal. Felt there was value to be had at 45 and the POR second should have had a bit more value. Freeing up some cap maybe we're chasing Cam Johnson?

Giving up the second SRP made me feel like we wanted to operate under the cap immediately, instead of finding another (and better) way to get rid of Mitchell and Vezenkov. Another move is coming sooner than later.

madskillz8 wrote:

codydaze wrote:Don't love sending out two seconds in the deal. Felt there was value to be had at 45 and the POR second should have had a bit more value. Freeing up some cap maybe we're chasing Cam Johnson?

Giving up the second SRP made me feel like we wanted to operate under the cap immediately, instead of finding another (and better) way to get rid of Mitchell and Vezenkov. Another move is coming sooner than later.

To be clear, I'm pretty sure we are still above the cap. We are under the first apron now. Chuck said if we use MLE we are hardcapped? Maybe there's a trade coming followed by using the MLE and calling it a day.

LightTheBeam wrote:

madskillz8 wrote:

codydaze wrote:Don't love sending out two seconds in the deal. Felt there was value to be had at 45 and the POR second should have had a bit more value. Freeing up some cap maybe we're chasing Cam Johnson?

Giving up the second SRP made me feel like we wanted to operate under the cap immediately, instead of finding another (and better) way to get rid of Mitchell and Vezenkov. Another move is coming sooner than later.

To be clear, I'm pretty sure we are still above the cap. We are under the first apron now. Chuck said if we use MLE we are hardcapped? Maybe there's a trade coming followed by using the MLE and calling it a day.

You are right I meant first apron instead of salary cap. But looking at the FAs I am having hard time to find players that I really want to use N-TP MLE on...

madskillz8 wrote:

LightTheBeam wrote:

madskillz8 wrote:
Giving up the second SRP made me feel like we wanted to operate under the cap immediately, instead of finding another (and better) way to get rid of Mitchell and Vezenkov. Another move is coming sooner than later.

To be clear, I'm pretty sure we are still above the cap. We are under the first apron now. Chuck said if we use MLE we are hardcapped? Maybe there's a trade coming followed by using the MLE and calling it a day.

You are right I meant first apron instead of salary cap. But looking at the FAs I am having hard time to find players that I really want to use N-TP MLE on...

The 3 guys I like the most are

Obi Toppin - think hes going to get more than this
Patrick Williams - Chicago should match quickly at that #
Naji Marshall - Can get for cheaper, very risky?

But ya you are right. MLE options looking extremely weak this summer. And between Orlando, Philly, Detroit, Utah. Teams are going to need to spend and I don't see who the hell they are going to spend it on. KCP gonna be fetching 30 mil lol

LightTheBeam wrote:

madskillz8 wrote:

LightTheBeam wrote:
To be clear, I'm pretty sure we are still above the cap. We are under the first apron now. Chuck said if we use MLE we are hardcapped? Maybe there's a trade coming followed by using the MLE and calling it a day.

You are right I meant first apron instead of salary cap. But looking at the FAs I am having hard time to find players that I really want to use N-TP MLE on...

The 3 guys I like the most are

Obi Toppin - think hes going to get more than this
Patrick Williams - Chicago should match quickly at that #
Naji Marshall - Can get for cheaper, very risky?

But ya you are right. MLE options looking extremely weak this summer. And between Orlando, Philly, Detroit, Utah. Teams are going to need to spend and I don't see who the hell they are going to spend it on. KCP gonna be fetching 30 mil lol

Local radio guy saying we might have some interest in Naji.

codydaze wrote:

LightTheBeam wrote:

madskillz8 wrote:
You are right I meant first apron instead of salary cap. But looking at the FAs I am having hard time to find players that I really want to use N-TP MLE on...

The 3 guys I like the most are

Obi Toppin - think hes going to get more than this
Patrick Williams - Chicago should match quickly at that #
Naji Marshall - Can get for cheaper, very risky?

But ya you are right. MLE options looking extremely weak this summer. And between Orlando, Philly, Detroit, Utah. Teams are going to need to spend and I don't see who the hell they are going to spend it on. KCP gonna be fetching 30 mil lol

Local radio guy saying we might have some interest in Naji.

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His defense was overshadowed by Herb Jones, but man he was a pain to play against. That guy could guard 4 positions, he could reliably hit the 3 ball. I'm not sure he's a starter, but you could do a lot worse than him off your bench.

I'm all for moving Barnes/Huerter for a starting PF, and then signing him off the bench. Plus I want to rip away any wing I can from New Orleans lol.

Not a fan of that trade at all.
Spending 2nd rounders like they're going out of fashion.

Monte operating like he wants to get rid of every asset he has before getting fired.

OxAndFox wrote:Not a fan of that trade at all.
Spending 2nd rounders like they're going out of fashion.

Monte operating like he wants to get rid of every asset he has before getting fired.

Not a fan of it either unless we do something with the cap flexibility it gave us. Also, all of the targets I liked for us at 45 were also off the board by 45 so that pick is whatever for me. I do think the POR 2025 second could have been used better though.