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Last stop on the east coast before coming back home.

Close game after 1 quarter, would be nice to come back home over .500.

It would be nice if, at some point this season, we decide to defend the three point line.

Fire Mike brown. I've had enough of this awful defensive scheme. He is not an nba level head coach. Not being over dramatic

Mike’s defensive 3PT game plan is malpractice

great third quarter so far

Domas saved Fox's lack of clutch play, and this was a needed win

Fox was otherwise solid tonight though and was instrumental in the third getting the momentum back(just when my finger is itchy). Deebo/Domas always solid.

Sabo! 3-1 road trip that should have been 4-0. There are some things we need to improve and having Huerter back and hopefully Lyles getting back to form at some point will help as well but there are flashes of being a really good team. Defense, obviously, has been the biggest need for improvement.

Fox got us back into the game in the third, Derozan was a bucket all night and Sabo gets the game winner after a difficult game. Light that beam.

That third quarter was championship level basketball, Sabonis played all nba level defense on that second half absolutely amazing. We’re a big wing player from being one of the top teams if fox is aggressive like he was in the third

Keegan, its meek scoring on not good shooting again... His development was going to big on this iteration of the team. Are Keegan/Fox going to consistently ride with Domas/Deebo who are always solid? I hope

Toronto leading in Denver, and I think we would have won that game with Huerter possibly. Maybe we're fine after all.

BoogieTime wrote:Keegan, its meek scoring on not good shooting again... His development was going to big on this iteration of the team. Are Keegan/Fox going to consistently ride with Domas/Deebo who are always solid? I hope

Toronto leading in Denver, and I think we would have won that game with Huerter possibly. Maybe we're fine after all.

Keegan has had the biggest impact on the team in terms of On/Off net ratings. He has been really good this year, if he can get that 3P% up to even 35-38% he will even more valuable, his development is going just fine.

codydaze wrote:

BoogieTime wrote:Keegan, its meek scoring on not good shooting again... His development was going to big on this iteration of the team. Are Keegan/Fox going to consistently ride with Domas/Deebo who are always solid? I hope

Toronto leading in Denver, and I think we would have won that game with Huerter possibly. Maybe we're fine after all.

Keegan has had the biggest impact on the team in terms of On/Off net ratings. He has been really good this year, if he can get that 3P% up to even 35-38% he will even more valuable, his development is going just fine.

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Well, our starters have been one of the best units in the league with piss poor bench contribution so far, so I'd wonder if a lot of our starters +/- would look similar, but, its an interesting stat

BoogieTime wrote:

codydaze wrote:

BoogieTime wrote:Keegan, its meek scoring on not good shooting again... His development was going to big on this iteration of the team. Are Keegan/Fox going to consistently ride with Domas/Deebo who are always solid? I hope

Toronto leading in Denver, and I think we would have won that game with Huerter possibly. Maybe we're fine after all.

Keegan has had the biggest impact on the team in terms of On/Off net ratings. He has been really good this year, if he can get that 3P% up to even 35-38% he will even more valuable, his development is going just fine.

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Well, our starters have been one of the best units in the league with piss poor bench contribution so far, so I'd wonder if a lot of our starters +/- would look similar, but, its an interesting stat

But as of now, I'm not supporting him getting worse progressively offensively year to year from his rookie season, when we needed offensive impact from him. Meek, non impactful offense so far. Would've liked to start creeping up to late teens in points efficiently for him to be what everyone wanted. Would take some real glue type team play to overcome this, and the impact stats would have to continue to prove his impact superseding for a longer stretch

codydaze wrote:

BoogieTime wrote:Keegan, its meek scoring on not good shooting again... His development was going to big on this iteration of the team. Are Keegan/Fox going to consistently ride with Domas/Deebo who are always solid? I hope

Toronto leading in Denver, and I think we would have won that game with Huerter possibly. Maybe we're fine after all.

Keegan has had the biggest impact on the team in terms of On/Off net ratings. He has been really good this year, if he can get that 3P% up to even 35-38% he will even more valuable, his development is going just fine.

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It's not just fine. It's literally been incredible and exactly the type of player this guy needs. He is lock down on defense, guarding the opposing teams best players night in and night out. He's crashing the glass, he's attacking the rim on cuts.

Once his 3pt shot comes back he is literally the type of player every single team wants. He can be a low end all star but that's not important, he's the SF/PF version of Jrue holiday.

codydaze wrote:

BoogieTime wrote:Keegan, its meek scoring on not good shooting again... His development was going to big on this iteration of the team. Are Keegan/Fox going to consistently ride with Domas/Deebo who are always solid? I hope

Toronto leading in Denver, and I think we would have won that game with Huerter possibly. Maybe we're fine after all.

Keegan has had the biggest impact on the team in terms of On/Off net ratings. He has been really good this year, if he can get that 3P% up to even 35-38% he will even more valuable, his development is going just fine.

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No wonder our starters net rating is so high we have two all nba level defenders and Sabonis proved tonight how good he is there.

Just need one extra wing defender

LightTheBeam wrote:Fire Mike brown. I've had enough of this awful defensive scheme. He is not an nba level head coach. Not being over dramatic

Credit to Mike for half time adjustment. We let herro, duncan, larsson go 11-14 from 3 in the first half. Those 3 went 0-5 from 3 in the 2nd half.

Also huge play letting Keegan guard butler on that last play and not sending a double. That was trust and confidence that your best defender can do his job, stay home on shooters. I pray Mike can learn not to double all game and leave shooters, this team would be a top 5 seed easily.

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codydaze wrote:

BoogieTime wrote:Keegan, its meek scoring on not good shooting again... His development was going to big on this iteration of the team. Are Keegan/Fox going to consistently ride with Domas/Deebo who are always solid? I hope

Toronto leading in Denver, and I think we would have won that game with Huerter possibly. Maybe we're fine after all.

Keegan has had the biggest impact on the team in terms of On/Off net ratings. He has been really good this year, if he can get that 3P% up to even 35-38% he will even more valuable, his development is going just fine.

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It's not just fine. It's literally been incredible and exactly the type of player this guy needs. He is lock down on defense, guarding the opposing teams best players night in and night out. He's crashing the glass, he's attacking the rim on cuts.

Once his 3pt shot comes back he is literally the type of player every single team wants. He can be a low end all star but that's not important, he's the SF/PF version of Jrue holiday.

JRue was actually good at both sides of the court, and each half of the court is equally important. Its only been 7 games but the trend and trajectory haven't been good. He's been going backwards statistically on that end. He's not finishing the generous looks his teammates have had for him or creating or showing much life on that end at all.

I know you like wings (approving of 5 picks for Mikal), although I think they are another position, and you like hard nosed defense (ignoring Huerter's vastly superior BBIQ and offensive presence to Keon's), but half the game is making your presence felt on O.

Even a Trey Murphy, who Keegan has been far from offensively, is still to me limited in presence (though I know you'll disagree). A lot of us felt that borderline all star two way player was in sight.

I appreciate him crashing the glass but he's playing PF. Is his rebounding notable for a PF? We give up some paint presence with him playing there too

BoogieTime wrote:

LightTheBeam wrote:

codydaze wrote:
Keegan has had the biggest impact on the team in terms of On/Off net ratings. He has been really good this year, if he can get that 3P% up to even 35-38% he will even more valuable, his development is going just fine.

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It's not just fine. It's literally been incredible and exactly the type of player this guy needs. He is lock down on defense, guarding the opposing teams best players night in and night out. He's crashing the glass, he's attacking the rim on cuts.

Once his 3pt shot comes back he is literally the type of player every single team wants. He can be a low end all star but that's not important, he's the SF/PF version of Jrue holiday.

JRue was actually good at both sides of the court, and each half of the court is equally important. Its only been 7 games but the trend and trajectory haven't been good. He's been going backwards statistically on that end. He's not finishing the generous looks his teammates have had for him or creating or showing much life on that end at all.

I know you like wings (approving of 5 picks for Mikal), although I think they are another position, and you like hard nosed defense (ignoring Huerter's vastly superior BBIQ and offensive presence to Keon's), but half the game is making your presence felt on O.

Even a Trey Murphy, who Keegan has been far from offensively, is still to me limited in presence (though I know you'll disagree). A lot of us felt that borderline all star two way player was in sight.

I appreciate him crashing the glass but he's playing PF. Is his rebounding notable for a PF? We give up some paint presence with him playing there too

Well let's start with the obvious. Jrue Holiday's 3rd season in the NBA. 13.5ppg, 43% from the field (averaged most attempts on his team that year). Keegan is averaging 14.4ppg on 44% from the field. he's tied with Domas for 3rd/4th most attempts on the team, and well behind Fox/Derozan.

Pretending that Keegan is some awful offensively player is just such a weird take. He's nearly 60% on his 2's, and once his 3pt shot starts falling (it's been 7 games), the impact will be incredible.

The most hilarious thing is pretending like Huerter is an invaluable offensive component to the team, as if he isn't the streakiest player on our team by a mile. Don't take my word for it, just look at last season where he had 3 months of playing time shooting the 3pt shot below 33%. Keegan is shooting 38% from 3 for his career, the 3's will start to fall. But what's even more hilarious is bashing Keegans improvement every chance you get. When Huerter's 3 isn't falling hes a liability in every other way, when Keegan's 3 isn't falling he impacts the game on defense, rebounds, cuts. The 2 are not close to the same.

As for his rebounds. He's tied at 33rd in rebounders per game. From my quick assessment, I see 9 non centers ahead of him in rebounds per game. So I'd say he's doing a damn good job on the glass, and a huge improvement in that category (barnes averaged 3 per game as our pf last season).

Other than arguing, I'll never understand the constant Keegan bashing while supporting Huerter. Our team is built to be an offensive force. Between Monk, Sabonis, Fox, Demar, we are not going to struggle offensively. The remaining role players need to all be + defenders. Huerter is not that, Keon is. Carter projects to be a stud on that side of the ball. Keegan is our best defender with only Keon currently close. Championship level teams build balanced teams. Look at Boston, not only can their 2 best defend, but then they specifically sought out high level defenders to round out the rotation (white, holiday, horford). You want 3&D players around your best offensive guys, that's how you build a serious team.

I think Monte agrees. The Carter pick was the most obvious agreement of that. The guy who projects to be a Derrick White type. Then you look at how Keon contributes, and he's on a short list with Holiday, White, Caruso, etc.. I'd be shocked if Huerter is on the team opening day next year.