Game 71: Kings (35-35) vs Celtics (52-19)

[codydaze]

Amick reporting Domas will return for tonight's game while Jaylen Brown remains questionable for the Celtics. This is a very quick turnaround for Domas from the ankle injury that looked like it should have kept him out at least a week longer. I really hope we are not going to rush him back in response to the news that Anthony Davis will return for the Mavs tonight as well. I truly do not feel a play-in berth is at risk so I don't agree with rushing him back for games that won't end up meaning a whole lot, in my opinion.

[codydaze]

Malik and Devin Carter both OUT for tonight.

[OxAndFox]

Amick reporting Domas will return for tonight's game while Jaylen Brown remains questionable for the Celtics. This is a very quick turnaround for Domas from the ankle injury that looked like it should have kept him out at least a week longer. I really hope we are not going to rush him back in response to the news that Anthony Davis will return for the Mavs tonight as well. I truly do not feel a play-in berth is at risk so I don't agree with rushing him back for games that won't end up meaning a whole lot, in my opinion.

I really hope the diagnosis was wrong initially then because it's incompetent to make the decision to rush him back. If the conditioning staff/docs etc say he is good to go, then fine, trust them.

At the end of the day is it really going to matter with or without Domas? It feels like the only thing that is to be determined is what number pick we give Atlanta and/or how badly does OKC bust them open if they make it to the POs.
Although I would love to see a showdown with OKC if I'm being honest.

[KF10]

Sabonis probably wants to meet the all-NBA game threshold. I believe it is a $1.3m additional compensation if he makes all-nba.

[codydaze]

For what it's worth, Domas does seem to be moving very well out there. Doesn't look like the ankle is an issue at all.

[LightTheBeam]

Boogie running out of ways to defend lavine and derozan.

Keon + sabonis 28pts on 15 shots
Demar + lavine 34pts on 37 shots

Is there anyway we get rid of those 2 this offseason? I doubt any team takes either without us giving serious compensation right?

At least we are looking likely to keep our pick. We might have 1 or 2 wins left all year.

[KF10]

Unless DeMar accepts a reserve role or a downgrade in the offensive pecking order, he should be traded tbh. His fit is not the best here. Same with Lavine too tbh.

If Sabonis is still here entering next season, the Kings need to hover all of their plays with Sabonis at all times i.e. Jokic. Limit the time on ball to the ISO heavy players here that constantly freeze the offense all season long.

But if Sabonis wants out, blow the whole thing up. Develop the Keegan, Keon, Carter core. Go find your 1A somehow.

[codydaze]

I won't mind keeping the pick this year but the point of the Zach trade and all the moves we made at the deadline were to make the playoffs so missing the play-in completely would be a massive failure.

Derozan needs to be moved this summer and it wouldn't surprise me if Domas enters the trade market as well. We won 48 games, made the playoffs for the first time in 17 years and then failed to address any of our needs to improve the team.

[KF10]

I won't mind keeping the pick this year but the point of the Zach trade and all the moves we made at the deadline were to make the playoffs so missing the play-in completely would be a massive failure.

Derozan needs to be moved this summer and it wouldn't surprise me if Domas enters the trade market as well. We won 48 games, made the playoffs for the first time in 17 years and then failed to address any of our needs to improve the team.

Yeah, pivoting from Fox to Lavine is a win-now move to give the current core another look, post-trade.

This core isn't working.

I've seen enough that even if you give this same guys an entire off-season and training camp, it is still an absolute mid team.

The very definition of treading water. Which this team is.

Gotta keep the pick at all costs and blow it up.

[BoogieTime]

we have a org that won't try to keep the pick despite what is good for them

And I dont know what you do with Doug this offseason... if you have a prime coach in grasp, I think you go for him, but we might be trying to save money

[BoogieTime]

I won't mind keeping the pick this year but the point of the Zach trade and all the moves we made at the deadline were to make the playoffs so missing the play-in completely would be a massive failure.

Derozan needs to be moved this summer and it wouldn't surprise me if Domas enters the trade market as well. We won 48 games, made the playoffs for the first time in 17 years and then failed to address any of our needs to improve the team.

Yeah, pivoting from Fox to Lavine is a win-now move to give the current core another look, post-trade.

This core isn't working.

I've seen enough that even if you give this same guys an entire off-season and training camp, it is still an absolute mid team.

The very definition of treading water. Which this team is.

Gotta keep the pick at all costs and blow it up.

I'll believe that when they start losing games they aren't supposed to lose

now its just injuries and tough part of the schedule

But it could be a "tread water" team.. I dont think Vivek torpedoes a low level competing playoff team.. Demar needs to be moved to the bench, and we may need a new, legit coach, but im not convinced with younger players getting better and the west aging the team needs to be blown up to restart in a non title or bust market

[OxAndFox]

I won't mind keeping the pick this year but the point of the Zach trade and all the moves we made at the deadline were to make the playoffs so missing the play-in completely would be a massive failure.

Derozan needs to be moved this summer and it wouldn't surprise me if Domas enters the trade market as well. We won 48 games, made the playoffs for the first time in 17 years and then failed to address any of our needs to improve the team.

Yeah, pivoting from Fox to Lavine is a win-now move to give the current core another look, post-trade.

This core isn't working.

I've seen enough that even if you give this same guys an entire off-season and training camp, it is still an absolute mid team.

The very definition of treading water. Which this team is.

Gotta keep the pick at all costs and blow it up.

I'll believe that when they start losing games they aren't supposed to lose

now its just injuries and tough part of the schedule

But it could be a "tread water" team.. I dont think Vivek torpedoes a low level competing playoff team.. Demar needs to be moved to the bench, and we may need a new, legit coach, but im not convinced with younger players getting better and the west aging the team needs to be blown up to restart in a non title or bust market

At what point do you not sound like monte mcnair or I'm pretty sure this is the Kings AI account. I F$#%d up but let's just wait and see what happens. And then, when something else happens in the meantime, I will blame it on something else that will ......hey look over there. Wake UP.

[BoogieTime]

Yeah, pivoting from Fox to Lavine is a win-now move to give the current core another look, post-trade.

This core isn't working.

I've seen enough that even if you give this same guys an entire off-season and training camp, it is still an absolute mid team.

The very definition of treading water. Which this team is.

Gotta keep the pick at all costs and blow it up.

I'll believe that when they start losing games they aren't supposed to lose

now its just injuries and tough part of the schedule

But it could be a "tread water" team.. I dont think Vivek torpedoes a low level competing playoff team.. Demar needs to be moved to the bench, and we may need a new, legit coach, but im not convinced with younger players getting better and the west aging the team needs to be blown up to restart in a non title or bust market

At what point do you not sound like monte mcnair or I'm pretty sure this is the Kings AI account. I F$#%d up but let's just wait and see what happens. And then, when something else happens in the meantime, I will blame it on something else that will ......hey look over there. Wake UP.

Yeah, nothing to talk about losing at home to the Celtics or the last seven losses. Schedule losses. Hard teams, b2b, and a freakishly hot bulls team, with injuries

We’ll debate when they are playing even games healthy

Assessing the team was always going to take into consideration murderius back stretch while team fiddled it’s easier schedule

[BoogieTime]

I'll believe that when they start losing games they aren't supposed to lose

now its just injuries and tough part of the schedule

But it could be a "tread water" team.. I dont think Vivek torpedoes a low level competing playoff team.. Demar needs to be moved to the bench, and we may need a new, legit coach, but im not convinced with younger players getting better and the west aging the team needs to be blown up to restart in a non title or bust market

At what point do you not sound like monte mcnair or I'm pretty sure this is the Kings AI account. I F$#%d up but let's just wait and see what happens. And then, when something else happens in the meantime, I will blame it on something else that will ......hey look over there. Wake UP.

Yeah, nothing to talk about losing at home to the Celtics or the last seven losses. Schedule losses. Hard teams, b2b, and a freakishly hot bulls team, with injuries

We’ll debate when they are playing even games healthy

Assessing the team was always going to take into consideration murderius back stretch while team fiddled it’s easier schedule

And I don’t know what your talking about

They will ofcourse restructure the team, starting with benching DeMar, and making trades if it helps going forward, winning

But it’s T/T board fandom to think the team will trade its best players for picks, when that’s not the org/fanbase interest and there is enough talent to compete for low level playoffs making other changes

[LightTheBeam]

I won't mind keeping the pick this year but the point of the Zach trade and all the moves we made at the deadline were to make the playoffs so missing the play-in completely would be a massive failure.

Derozan needs to be moved this summer and it wouldn't surprise me if Domas enters the trade market as well. We won 48 games, made the playoffs for the first time in 17 years and then failed to address any of our needs to improve the team.

Yeah, pivoting from Fox to Lavine is a win-now move to give the current core another look, post-trade.

This core isn't working.

I've seen enough that even if you give this same guys an entire off-season and training camp, it is still an absolute mid team.

The very definition of treading water. Which this team is.

Gotta keep the pick at all costs and blow it up.

I'll believe that when they start losing games they aren't supposed to lose

now its just injuries and tough part of the schedule

But it could be a "tread water" team.. I dont think Vivek torpedoes a low level competing playoff team.. Demar needs to be moved to the bench, and we may need a new, legit coach, but im not convinced with younger players getting better and the west aging the team needs to be blown up to restart in a non title or bust market

Couple things.

1. Look at the schedule. Of the next 11 which ones are we "supposed to win". Maybe 2? 3? So if we go 3-8 and finish 37-45 is that just well tough part of schedule bad luck? Good teams don't just roll over in the 4th quarter when they are beating teams like Milwaukee, Denver, lac..

2. Also wasn't Chicago a game we were supposed to win?

3. Your argument about west aging maybe made sense last year. Who in the west is aging? Kings are actually the one team is probably aging the worst. Our "core 3" will be 36, 30, 29 heading into next year. Our backup center splash deadline move is going to be 33. Even our "young guys" aren't that young.

Okc - getting better
Hous - youngest team in west playoffs
Denver - still prime aged
Lal - luka/reaves
Memphis- super young core
Warriors - old core, but have at least 1-2 years left
Clippers - old core
Wolves - ant, ddv, mcdaniels

We are now the old guys at the party, only we suck. And next year you'll have Portland, spurs, healthy Dallas, healthy pelicans all joining the party. Next year kings are fighting for 12th sadly.

[LightTheBeam]

At what point do you not sound like monte mcnair or I'm pretty sure this is the Kings AI account. I F$#%d up but let's just wait and see what happens. And then, when something else happens in the meantime, I will blame it on something else that will ......hey look over there. Wake UP.

Yeah, nothing to talk about losing at home to the Celtics or the last seven losses. Schedule losses. Hard teams, b2b, and a freakishly hot bulls team, with injuries

We’ll debate when they are playing even games healthy

Assessing the team was always going to take into consideration murderius back stretch while team fiddled it’s easier schedule

And I don’t know what your talking about

They will ofcourse restructure the team, starting with benching DeMar, and making trades if it helps going forward, winning

But it’s T/T board fandom to think the team will trade its best players for picks, when that’s not the org/fanbase interest and there is enough talent to compete for low level playoffs making other changes

If the move is putting demar on the bench. Who exactly are you trading?

Sabonis/jv/Isaac jones
Keegan
Lavine/demar/keon/monk/carter

Pretty sure that's the only guys signed through next year.

You must give salary to get.
Keon makes nothing
Carter makes nothing
Jones makes nothing
Lavine is untradable
You don't want to trade demar
You don't want to trade sabonis

That leaves Keegan (our only forward and best defender)
Monk the one guy out of the 3 iso guys we should keep
Jv

Thats who you are shuffling to fix this team?

[codydaze]

Yeah, pivoting from Fox to Lavine is a win-now move to give the current core another look, post-trade.

This core isn't working.

I've seen enough that even if you give this same guys an entire off-season and training camp, it is still an absolute mid team.

The very definition of treading water. Which this team is.

Gotta keep the pick at all costs and blow it up.

I'll believe that when they start losing games they aren't supposed to lose

now its just injuries and tough part of the schedule

But it could be a "tread water" team.. I dont think Vivek torpedoes a low level competing playoff team.. Demar needs to be moved to the bench, and we may need a new, legit coach, but im not convinced with younger players getting better and the west aging the team needs to be blown up to restart in a non title or bust market

Couple things.

1. Look at the schedule. Of the next 11 which ones are we "supposed to win". Maybe 2? 3? So if we go 3-8 and finish 37-45 is that just well tough part of schedule bad luck? Good teams don't just roll over in the 4th quarter when they are beating teams like Milwaukee, Denver, lac..

2. Also wasn't Chicago a game we were supposed to win?

3. Your argument about west aging maybe made sense last year. Who in the west is aging? Kings are actually the one team is probably aging the worst. Our "core 3" will be 36, 30, 29 heading into next year. Our backup center splash deadline move is going to be 33. Even our "young guys" aren't that young.

Okc - getting better
Hous - youngest team in west playoffs
Denver - still prime aged
Lal - luka/reaves
Memphis- super young core
Warriors - old core, but have at least 1-2 years left
Clippers - old core
Wolves - ant, ddv, mcdaniels

We are now the old guys at the party, only we suck. And next year you'll have Portland, spurs, healthy Dallas, healthy pelicans all joining the party. Next year kings are fighting for 12th sadly.

Yeah and if there are less games you are "supposed to win" than games you are "supposed to lose" then that just means you're a bad team

[BoogieTime]

Yeah, pivoting from Fox to Lavine is a win-now move to give the current core another look, post-trade.

This core isn't working.

I've seen enough that even if you give this same guys an entire off-season and training camp, it is still an absolute mid team.

The very definition of treading water. Which this team is.

Gotta keep the pick at all costs and blow it up.

I'll believe that when they start losing games they aren't supposed to lose

now its just injuries and tough part of the schedule

But it could be a "tread water" team.. I dont think Vivek torpedoes a low level competing playoff team.. Demar needs to be moved to the bench, and we may need a new, legit coach, but im not convinced with younger players getting better and the west aging the team needs to be blown up to restart in a non title or bust market

Couple things.

1. Look at the schedule. Of the next 11 which ones are we "supposed to win". Maybe 2? 3? So if we go 3-8 and finish 37-45 is that just well tough part of schedule bad luck? Good teams don't just roll over in the 4th quarter when they are beating teams like Milwaukee, Denver, lac..

2. Also wasn't Chicago a game we were supposed to win?

3. Your argument about west aging maybe made sense last year. Who in the west is aging? Kings are actually the one team is probably aging the worst. Our "core 3" will be 36, 30, 29 heading into next year. Our backup center splash deadline move is going to be 33. Even our "young guys" aren't that young.

Okc - getting better
Hous - youngest team in west playoffs
Denver - still prime aged
Lal - luka/reaves
Memphis- super young core
Warriors - old core, but have at least 1-2 years left
Clippers - old core
Wolves - ant, ddv, mcdaniels

We are now the old guys at the party, only we suck. And next year you'll have Portland, spurs, healthy Dallas, healthy pelicans all joining the party. Next year kings are fighting for 12th sadly.

Chicago just won eight of ten and just smacked the lakers at home

The pelicans b2b was a bad loss, as were the opening magic at home game.. aside from that, all the losses the new team has had have been the losses that any competing for lower level playoff team could lose with injuries

doesn't do any good crying about losing home to the Celtics, were going to see the measure of a low level playoff team with this 5 game stretch POR @orlando @indiana @washington @Charlotte

Joker is heading into his 30s and the Nuggets are solely reliant on him, thats a we'll see. So, okc, hous, Memphis, but these aren't shaking in your boots traditionally dominant type teams. But I see the west bunched up...

Monk/Keon/Zac/Keegan/Domas/Derozan/LaRavia hopefully etc. just isn't far enough away from competing for Vivek, who didn't even want to tear down a lot worse teams in previous years imo

[codydaze]

For reference, there are only four teams with an average roster age older than the Kings.

Clippers
Suns
Warriors
Lakers

And the Lakers just added Luka and are being weighted up in age with a 40 year old Lebron.

Suns are below us in the standings so really there are two teams ahead of us in the standings that are older.

The average age of the OKC roster is 24.1 years old and the youngest player on our entire roster just turned 23.

[codydaze]

I'll believe that when they start losing games they aren't supposed to lose

now its just injuries and tough part of the schedule

But it could be a "tread water" team.. I dont think Vivek torpedoes a low level competing playoff team.. Demar needs to be moved to the bench, and we may need a new, legit coach, but im not convinced with younger players getting better and the west aging the team needs to be blown up to restart in a non title or bust market

Couple things.

1. Look at the schedule. Of the next 11 which ones are we "supposed to win". Maybe 2? 3? So if we go 3-8 and finish 37-45 is that just well tough part of schedule bad luck? Good teams don't just roll over in the 4th quarter when they are beating teams like Milwaukee, Denver, lac..

2. Also wasn't Chicago a game we were supposed to win?

3. Your argument about west aging maybe made sense last year. Who in the west is aging? Kings are actually the one team is probably aging the worst. Our "core 3" will be 36, 30, 29 heading into next year. Our backup center splash deadline move is going to be 33. Even our "young guys" aren't that young.

Okc - getting better
Hous - youngest team in west playoffs
Denver - still prime aged
Lal - luka/reaves
Memphis- super young core
Warriors - old core, but have at least 1-2 years left
Clippers - old core
Wolves - ant, ddv, mcdaniels

We are now the old guys at the party, only we suck. And next year you'll have Portland, spurs, healthy Dallas, healthy pelicans all joining the party. Next year kings are fighting for 12th sadly.

Chicago just won eight of ten and just smacked the lakers at home

The pelicans b2b was a bad loss, as were the opening magic at home game.. aside from that, all the losses the new team has had have been the losses that any competing for lower level playoff team could lose with injuries

doesn't do any good crying about losing home to the Celtics, were going to see the measure of a low level playoff team with this 5 game stretch POR @orlando @indiana @washington @Charlotte

Joker is heading into his 30s and the Nuggets are solely reliant on him, thats a we'll see. So, okc, hous, Memphis, but these aren't shaking in your boots traditionally dominant type teams. But I see the west bunched up...

Monk/Keon/Zac/Keegan/Domas/Derozan/LaRavia hopefully etc. just isn't far enough away from competing for Vivek, who didn't even want to tear down a lot worse teams in previous years imo

Seems like moving Zach was addition by subtraction.