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Let's take a look at the King's future salary situation, if we decide NOT to do anything this deadline, which many fans are happy with *cough* Smills*cough*. I am assuming the kings are in the mode of winning now. Also assuming that Kenny + Shareef will be untradable from this point on. Their best chance of being traded is packaged with another one of our players, but if we are winning now, those packaged players aren't being traded.

07-08
Currently total team salary is $63,197,615 (I'm going to use rough estimates)

08-09
So, say the King's don't do anything, and just resign Artest and Beno and Draft pick this offseason. Artest contract starting around 9 mil, Beno starting at 5 mil, Draft pick 1.4 mil. I don't remenber K-Mart's contract, but i'll say 9.5

Then Kings would be roughly 81 mil with(Bibby, Miller, Artest, Shareef, Thomas, Salmons, Moore, Martin, Hawes, Garcia, Douby, Beno, 08 Draft) 13 players under contract.

Bibby won't be traded away, it'd be stupid, he'd have less value then he has now, value around an expiring (a bit more than a jason williams). Miller might be able to traded for expirings, but resigning artest and not doing anything means winning now. Kenny + Shareef untradeable. Moore no need if winning now.

09-10 (Our year to sign a BIG free agent)
*Assumption* King's don't sign anyone over the offseason, except for the draft pick.
Team salary around - 76 mil
Under Contract - 13 players
(Miller, Artest, Martin, Thomas, Shareef, Salmons, Moore, Beno, Garcia, Hawes, Douby, 08 Draft, 09 Draft.)
Kenny/Shareef/Miller all tradable, but they are expirings, and if kings want to get under the cap, we have to keep them. Assuming no more transactions.

10-11
*Assumption* Signs draft pick
Team Salary around - 45.2
Under Contract - 9 Players
(Artest, Martin, Salmons, Beno, Hawes, Douby, 08 Draft, 09 Draft, 10 Draft)

Martin is 28

deNIEd wrote:Let's take a look at the King's future salary situation, if we decide NOT to do anything this deadline, which many fans are happy with *cough* Smills*cough*. I am assuming the kings are in the mode of winning now. Also assuming that Kenny + Shareef will be untradable from this point on. Their best chance of being traded is packaged with another one of our players, but if we are winning now, those packaged players aren't being traded.

07-08
Currently total team salary is $63,197,615 (I'm going to use rough estimates)
08-09
So, say the King's don't do anything, and just resign Artest and Beno and Draft pick this offseason. Artest contract starting around 9 mil, Beno starting at 5 mil, Draft pick 1.4 mil. I don't remenber K-Mart's contract, but i'll say 9.5

Then Kings would be roughly 81 mil with(Bibby, Miller, Artest, Shareef, Thomas, Salmons, Moore, Martin, Hawes, Garcia, Douby, Beno, 08 Draft) 13 players under contract.

Bibby won't be traded away, it'd be stupid, he'd have less value then he has now, value around an expiring (a bit more than a jason williams). Miller might be able to traded for expirings, but resigning artest and not doing anything means winning now. Kenny + Shareef untradeable. Moore no need if winning now.

09-10 (Our year to sign a BIG free agent)
*Assumption* King's don't sign anyone over the offseason, except for the draft pick.
Team salary around - 76 mil
Under Contract - 13 players
(Miller, Artest, Martin, Thomas, Shareef, Salmons, Moore, Beno, Garcia, Hawes, Douby, 08 Draft, 09 Draft.)
Kenny/Shareef/Miller all tradable, but they are expirings, and if kings want to get under the cap, we have to keep them. Assuming no more transactions.

10-11
*Assumption* Signs draft pick
Team Salary around - 45.2
Under Contract - 9 Players
(Artest, Martin, Salmons, Beno, Hawes, Douby, 08 Draft, 09 Draft, 10 Draft)

Martin is 28

You crack me up, how is that number a 'rough' estimate.

OMG, the sky is falling!!!!!111!!1!]

Smills91 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



You crack me up, how is that number a 'rough' estimate.

I meant the rest, why would i use a rough estimate when that number is already givevn.

The point is, if the goal is clearing cap by 09, if Artest and Bibby is not traded, and artest is resigned, then there is almost no chance of clearing cap by then

in no way shape or form do i think we are going to take on any huge contracts the season is not over and though we could make the playoffs it is not likely to happen this year !

we are between 4-5 games behind the 9th and 10th seeds and even further behind the 8th in baseball thats not alot but we are talking basketball at the midseason point again its possibly but not likely to pass 3 western conference teams being that far behind with about a half of season left to play !

i am sure between will not take on any vets with big contracts unless it is expiring or the outside chance just 1 more season on their contract after this year at the worst case scenerio !

petrie will go after drafty picks,expirings/possibly one year after this year on their contract or if we get lucky a young talent with a huge upside !

petrie will do everything he can to package bibby or atest with k9, or reef if that doesnt happen look for the same situation in the off season if all else fails with moving k9 i believe the kings will offer k9 a buyout !

petrie is not stupid he is brilliant ! that said he will not be looking to add to this years payroll unless it is going to be able to save him a great deal of cap space next year and in 09/10 season !

finally if we have not gained ground in the playoff race with the 8,9 & 10 seeds in the next 5-6 games i look for him to make his 1st trade at that time i believe that is around the 9th or so of february hopefully he can get a great deal before then !

petie will risk our future as an organization by making stupid deals

in petrie we trust !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If we don't deal someone then we're paying luxury taxes. Maybe the Kings will just let Artest opt out and go.

ICMTM wrote:If we don't deal someone then we're paying luxury taxes. Maybe the Kings will just let Artest opt out and go.

I'm thinking that this is a strong possibility.

deNIEd wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



I meant the rest, why would i use a rough estimate when that number is already givevn.

The point is, if the goal is clearing cap by 09, if Artest and Bibby is not traded, and artest is resigned, then there is almost no chance of clearing cap by then

It was just funny, because it was written DIRECTLY after the actual figure.

ICMTM wrote:If we don't deal someone then we're paying luxury taxes. Maybe the Kings will just let Artest opt out and go.

If this is true, then why not just trade Artest to NYK for expiring + chandler, or Artest + KT for rose+expiring+2nd.

If we are just going to let him walk, it's better we get something out of it, and ensure Artest doesn't go to a Spurs/Suns/Dallas/Lakers etc.

I don't think Wilson Chandler is the answer to all that's wrong with the Kings. Why trade him for an expiring at all? He's an expiring himself so what's the point?

Who cares where he goes if he does. We aren't winning anytime soon.

ICMTM wrote:I don't think Wilson Chandler is the answer to all that's wrong with the Kings. Why trade him for an expiring at all? He's an expiring himself so what's the point?

Who cares where he goes if he does. We aren't winning anytime soon.

Chandler was just one possiblitiy, it doesn't really matter who it is.

If the kings are going to just let Artest expire, it means we aren't looking to win now. Therefore, getting good picks and young prospects are key to our future.

If that is the case, then i would look at 2 trades

Artest + Kenny
for
Rose + Fred Jones + Balkman + Chandler + 08 1st (top 14 protected)

or

Artest + Kenny + Shareef
for
Marbury + Jones + 08 1st (top 5 protected)

If you give Isiah a good deal, he won't be able to resist and decline it. Which leads to a the following situations...

1. Knicks draft pick is screwed up, letting the king's possibly getting 1 better position than before.
2. It ensures Artest not going to a west coast team.
3. It'll give some hope to the Knicks, meaning they will not be doing a true rebuild, resulting in keeping the Knicks down, one less team to compete with.
4. In both trades, Kings clear salary much eariler.
5. As Smills would say, the key to winning, is getting the most talent then making good trades when possible. Well, IF artest is just going to expire, both trades gives us some more talent. Maybe they aren't part of the long term plan, but they are good fillers. Which will allow future deals down the road.

Regardless of what happens, we can't just sit and do nothing. We can't just let Bibby/Artest expire, By doing that, it'll take another 5-6 years for us to improve. 2-3 years just to let everyone expire, why not at least cut down on one of those years. A pick is better than nothing, and an expiring is an expiring regardless of who it is.

If we aren't winning now, then lets get whatever we can get. If we are winning now, then truly show it, make the moves to get us over the top.

deNIEd wrote:

ICMTM wrote:I don't think Wilson Chandler is the answer to all that's wrong with the Kings. Why trade him for an expiring at all? He's an expiring himself so what's the point?

Who cares where he goes if he does. We aren't winning anytime soon.

Chandler was just one possiblitiy, it doesn't really matter who it is.

If the kings are going to just let Artest expire, it means we aren't looking to win now. Therefore, getting good picks and young prospects are key to our future.

If that is the case, then i would look at 2 trades

Artest + Kenny
for
Rose + Fred Jones + Balkman + Chandler + 08 1st (top 14 protected)

or

Artest + Kenny + Shareef
for
Marbury + Jones + 08 1st (top 5 protected)

If you give Isiah a good deal, he won't be able to resist and decline it. Which leads to a the following situations...

1. Knicks draft pick is screwed up, letting the king's possibly getting 1 better position than before.
2. It ensures Artest not going to a west coast team.
3. It'll give some hope to the Knicks, meaning they will not be doing a true rebuild, resulting in keeping the Knicks down, one less team to compete with.
4. In both trades, Kings clear salary much eariler.
5. As Smills would say, the key to winning, is getting the most talent then making good trades when possible. Well, IF artest is just going to expire, both trades gives us some more talent. Maybe they aren't part of the long term plan, but they are good fillers. Which will allow future deals down the road.

Regardless of what happens, we can't just sit and do nothing. We can't just let Bibby/Artest expire, By doing that, it'll take another 5-6 years for us to improve. 2-3 years just to let everyone expire, why not at least cut down on one of those years. A pick is better than nothing, and an expiring is an expiring regardless of who it is.

If we aren't winning now, then lets get whatever we can get. If we are winning now, then truly show it, make the moves to get us over the top.

Trading Artest for Marbury is like trading herpes for syphallis

One flares up unexpectadely every few months while the other just lingers and gets worse and worse.

I'd rather have herpes!! In a metaphoric since of course.

Dustin5566 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Trading Artest for Marbury is like trading herpes for syphallis

One flares up unexpectadely every few months while the other just lingers and gets worse and worse.

I'd rather have herpes!! In a metaphoric since of course.

the point isn't trading artest for marbury, the point is trading a player you are not going to resign, for a year out of kenny and shareef's contract. marbury would be either cut or bought out immediately, and the pick would help the kings future as well.

yeah, looking it from that standpoint its horrible, artest for marbury, but when you look at it from the standpoint that we won't be keeping artest, and by trading him now, we escape from kenny and shareef's contract a year earlier, its a no brainer

deNIEd wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



the point isn't trading artest for marbury, the point is trading a player you are not going to resign, for a year out of kenny and shareef's contract. marbury would be either cut or bought out immediately, and the pick would help the kings future as well.

yeah, looking it from that standpoint its horrible, artest for marbury, but when you look at it from the standpoint that we won't be keeping artest, and by trading him now, we escape from kenny and shareef's contract a year earlier, its a no brainer

You take on a $22M contract for next year to save $14M the following year...and you think that is logical?

KingInExile wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


You take on a $22M contract for next year to save $14M the following year...and you think that is logical?

Well to be fair, as far as pure extra money, it would mean taking on an extra $6million next year to save $15.4million the year after that.

KingInExile wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


You take on a $22M contract for next year to save $14M the following year...and you think that is logical?

You pay 6 mil, to get rid of 14-15?
But more importantly, by getting rid of KT/SAR's 15 King's salary in 2 years will be around 45-50, making us under the cap.

If you just want Artest to expire, and not do anything, might as well get something out of it.

1.0001 is better than 1
expiring + pick is better than expiring
expiring + ridding contracts + pick >>>> expiring + 6 mil


No need to keep marbury, either buy him out or just cut him. He's not needed, its the salary he represents is what is needed.

It's obvious your aren't seeing the whole picture. You can't just compare the differences between Marbury's contract and those of KT and SAR, you have to look at how those contracts impact the overall team salary. In doing so, you have to remember that Kevin's new salary kicks in next year, you have to account for signing our 1st round pick and you have to account for signing (or resigning) free agents to get the roster to the mandatory 14 players. If we let Artest walk and no other moves are made (ie, Bibby and Miller are kept), the team will be very close to the luxury tax level next year after you add in Martin's new salary (starting at about $10M) and add in other players (Justin resigned for about $1M, Beno resigned for the LLE of $1.9M, #10 pick at $1.75M and a couple of minimum rookies at $450K each). When you swap out Marbury's contract for the combined contracts of KT and SAR in that salary package, you end up sending the team $7.8M OVER the tax level. So you are not spending an extra $6M next year to save $15M the following...you are spending an extra $14M (difference in contracts plus the tax implication) to save $15M the next. That is a horrible investment any way you look at it.

ideally, a team would bail out the kings and offer a "fair" (whatever that means) deal for artest; one with expiring contracts and draft picks/young talent. however, in the event that a "fair" deal does not reveal itself to the kings, it will be interesting how the kings and artest handle it. i dont believe the kings can afford to do a sign and trade (with their draft chocie and kevin's new deal) and this would place alot of pressure on artest to potentially accept his option (maybe that explains some of this antics as of late, hes trying to lower his trade value and/or force petrie's hand to trade him). whatever happens, it will be interesting to see how artest and petrie play this hand. there are so many variables im not sure if i could adequetly project the results; maybe by the time the trade deadline gets closer we'll have a better picture.

Dustin5566 wrote:One flares up unexpectadely every few months

Well, that's certainly an exaggeration with Ron.

Ballings7 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Well, that's certainly an exaggeration with Ron.

not really.... In the past couple months Ron has.

1) Committed animal cruelty
2) Committed spousal abuse
3) Publically turn his back on his team by saying he wants to basiclly play 4 every other team
4) Go crazy in Utah.

Rons antics dont need to be on the court to be flare ups.