DAL/SAC/NOH

Teddy KGB · Post #1 » by **Teddy KGB** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:44 pm

Would you guys as SAC fans do the following deal? I guess this would mostly depend on if you want to rebuild or not, but most SAC fans on the trade board seem to want to rebuild so here's the deal. Hate it or love it?

Sacramento Kings

Incoming Players

Devin Harris
Salary: $3,995,003 Years Remaining: 6
PTS: 14.4 REB: 2.3 AST: 5.3 PER: 18.65

Maurice Ager
Salary: $974,400 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 1.7 REB: 0.4 AST: 0.3 PER: 0.25

Bobby Jackson
Salary: $5,670,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 7.1 REB: 2.4 AST: 1.7 PER: 13.19

Bernard Robinson
Salary: $1,080,000 Years Remaining: 1

08 1st DAL

Outgoing Players: Francisco Garcia, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Ron Artest

[Separate trade: Gooden and Newble to SAC for Bibby]

Sacto sets their backcourt for the future with Kevin Martin and Devin Harris. Along with a nice pick this year, Hawes etc, they will have a very bright future. Obviously this would signal the start of rebuilding and they would trade Miller and Bibby after this as well. In fact, I think they should do Bibby for Gooden and Newble right after this deal. They have to give up Garcia to dump Abdur-Rahim and get a 1st as well for him. They also get 3 short contracts which will make them FA players in the near future.

B Miller/S Hawes
D Gooden/M Moore
J Salmons
K Martin/M Ager
D Harris/B Udrih

Dallas Mavericks

Incoming Players

Francisco Garcia
Salary: $1,168,800 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 13.3 REB: 3.7 AST: 1.7 PER: 15.25

Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Salary: $5,800,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 1.7 REB: 1.7 AST: 0.7 PER: 5.68

Ron Artest
Salary: $7,400,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 17.7 REB: 5.6 AST: 4.1 PER: 16.79

Outgoing Players: Devin Harris, Maurice Ager, Jerry Stackhouse, 08 1st DAL

We get the tough guy we need in Artest who can post up and lock down opposing swing men, as well as bigger PGs such as Baron. We also get a nice young player in Garcia who I like for his versatility. The talent we would be left with would definitely be championship caliber. Of course, as we give up Harris we would only do this if Artest signed an extension before the trade, i.e. 5 years 40M so that we don't trade Harris for Artest to bolt to NYK. The squad we are left with has plenty of everything IMO and would beat Boston or SA in a 7 game series IMO. The cost of this talent upgrade is giving up Harris but also taking on 'Reef's waste of space contract. Sucks to give up Stack but doesn't work out capwise otherwise.

E Dampier/D Diop
D Nowitzki/B Bass
R Artest/T Hassell
J Howard/E Jones
J Terry/F Garcia

New Orleans Hornets

Incoming Players

Jerry Stackhouse
Salary: $6,750,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 9.9 REB: 2.5 AST: 2.5 PER: 12.68

Outgoing Players: Bobby Jackson, Bernard Robinson

With NOH, depth has long been a major issue and with this deal they trade two sucky guys for one who can definitely still ball.

T Chandler/H Armstrong
D West/J Wright
P Stojakovic/R Butler
M Peterson/J Stackhouse
C Paul/J Pargo

_SRV_ · Post #2 » by **_SRV_** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:15 pm

That's a very good deal for the Kings.

Smills91 · Post #3 » by **Smills91** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:54 pm

You'd have to take Garcia out of this deal for me...keep Ager and we'll keep Garcia and I'd call it good. If we deal Artest, Garcia is one of the players who's minutes will go up dramatically and fill that role well.

Teddy KGB · Post #4 » by **Teddy KGB** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:30 pm

man smills i have never seen you happy with a trade

Smills91 · Post #5 » by **Smills91** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:41 pm

ss_maverick wrote:man smills i have never seen you happy with a trade

When they're legitimate deals then I'll approve, this isn't the first..but all you see in Kings trade from other fans is how to get Artest on the EXTREME cheap or how do you get Bibby on the extreme cheap. These are high quality all-star caliber players here. If we're dealing them then we're rebuilding, rebuilding means moving bad contracts(like Kenny), picks(even if they're late 20's like the mavs) and young prospects that fill our major needs(1 and 4).

You've hit 2 for 3 on this trade. If you included Kenny in the deal(who can play this year and rebound/defend - he really needs a change of scenery more than anything) then you've just completed the slam dunk trade. If you swapped Kenny for SAR I'd let you keep your first to boot.

Post #6 » by **KingInExile** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:17 pm

ss_maverick wrote:man smills i have never seen you happy with a trade

He just lusts over Garcia and would probably refuse to give him up for LBJ.

As for my opinion on the deal, the first change that has to be made is to swap KT for SAR. The second change that has to be made is that the Kings must be taking back more expiring contracts than the value of Artest's. For us to trade Artest, who will opt out this summer, and take on more salary is absolutely pointless. This deal makes the Kings worse in salary, which means it is a bad deal.

Smills91 · Post #7 » by **Smills91** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:54 pm

KingInExile wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

He just lusts over Garcia and would probably refuse to give him up for LBJ.

As for my opinion on the deal, the first change that has to be made is to swap KT for SAR. The second change that has to be made is that the Kings must be taking back more expiring contracts than the value of Artest's. For us to trade Artest, who will opt out this summer, and take on more salary is absolutely pointless. This deal makes the Kings worse in salary, which means it is a bad deal.

WHAT? I've made man trade proposals involving Garcia, and the one including LBJ wasn't enough back in return! j/k

But really, I'm a fan of Garcia, but for the right price, I could easily see him going.

Post #8 » by **pillwenney** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:41 pm

I would personally rather move Kenny than SAR, and would rather take out the 1st, Ager, and Cisco.

We can always move Mike for expirings if we need to clear more salary.

BMiller52 · Post #9 » by **BMiller52** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:46 pm

I'd do it, we get our PG of the future. Harris is hella talented and we get a 1st. I'm iffy on giving up Garcia but I think I'd do it.

Bac2Basics · Post #10 » by **Bac2Basics** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:27 am

Make the package that the Kings give up Artest/Kenny Thomas/Q. Douby and recompute.

RoyalCourtJestr · Post #11 » by **RoyalCourtJestr** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:34 am

Take out SAR and Garcia, put in K.Thomas, keep your 1st rounder and you got a deal. If you keep the pick in, we'll put in Douby.

sackings916 · Post #12 » by **sackings916** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:46 am

I cant believe some of u would trade Douby for the Mavs 1st, which is gonna be in the 20s. Douby = Jason Terry w/ less PG skills but more D.

chriswebb86 · Post #13 » by **chriswebb86** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:20 am

mitchweber wrote:I would personally rather move Kenny than SAR, and would rather take out the 1st, Ager, and Cisco.

We can always move Mike for expirings if we need to clear more salary.

I think it still makes the deal fair if you do that.

chriswebb86 · Post #14 » by **chriswebb86** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:22 am

Overall, like many posters have said is to add KT. Also, I think he would be a better fit for you since he can actually play. Finally, I would love to get Harris here. After watching him play here a couple of weeks ago, I was extremely impressed. He has a bright future and would make moving Bibby and drafting this up coming year much easier.

PaKwAn · Post #15 » by **PaKwAn** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:20 am

chriswebb86 wrote:Overall, like many posters have said is to add KT. Also, I think he would be a better fit for you since he can actually play. Finally, I would love to get Harris here. After watching him play here a couple of weeks ago, I was extremely impressed. He has a bright future and would make moving Bibby and drafting this up coming year much easier.

I agree,devin has a bright future and he brings in what we need in a piont guard which is distribute the ball,defend and push the tempo. It also makes us focus on draft day what we truly need which is a pf.

Ballings7 · Post #16 » by **Ballings7** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:41 am

Not sure about the specific deal, but I would do Artest for Harris, with a package around him.

Dallas isn't doing it in reality, though.

Smills91 · Post #17 » by **Smills91** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:14 pm

Ballings7 wrote:Not sure about the specific deal, but I would do Artest for Harris, with a package around him.

Dallas isn't doing it in reality, though.

Even if they landed J-Kidd?

Kidd/Howard/Dirk/Artest is a very nice core.

sackings916 · Post #18 » by **sackings916** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:06 pm

They dont have enough pieces to get both Kidd and Artest

deNIEd · Post #19 » by **deNIEd** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:57 pm

Smills91 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Even if they landed J-Kidd?

Kidd/Howard/Dirk/Artest is a very nice core.

If Dallas could somehow manage to get J.Kidd using Terry as the main piece then getting Artest for them would solidify their team.

A possible

Kidd/Jaun
Howard/Garcia
Artest/Hassell
Dirk/Thomas
Dampier/Bass

Give them another summer, for signing some free agents and the team could be the 09 favorites. Given the fact that Cuben will spend whatever is necessary to win a ring.

But getting Harris, allows the King's to focus on getting a PF in the draft. Also forcing the Kings to trade Bibby before the deadline as well, which would give us possibily a 7-10 draft range. Good enough in finding a future PF.

Ballings7 · Post #20 » by **Ballings7** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:13 pm

I'd lean to Nets wanting Harris over Terry for Kidd. So that eliminates Artest just about completely for Dallas (unless there's some solid three-way deal), unless they gave up Josh Howard to us

.

Terry doesn't fit with Carter and Jefferson in the short or long-term. It's talented, but not that compatible of a trio.

Then you have Terry's contract.

Then with Kidd gone, then you have the Nets increasing their rebuild for 2010 when they debut in Brooklyn.