Mike Bibby

[KF10]

So what do you guys think of Mike Bibby so far? He is averaging: 13.2/3.9/5.2/1.3 in 31 minutes. As we know he is still rusty from the long absence. Lately, his balance play is showing on court and his defense has improved... He has controlled the game and limiting the turnovers. His presence stabilizes the offense... Will we keep him (And let him expire in 2009, which is Petrie's big FA plan) or trade him by this season?

[Smills91]

He's still rsuty sure, but he's really steadied the ship in my opinion. He's such a vastly underrated floor general/manager of the game. I think he'll be a King through the remainder of his contract though(if he does get dealt, it'll be as an expiring - meaning is he traded in the next 2 weeks? NOPERS).

[Rugged Ron Ron]

So far Im disappointed to be honest. He's been back for a month so I doubt he still rusty or not in game shape. And his defense? It's still pathetic. He tried out there but he just not good enough. As for his presence stabilized the offense, sometime it's true but sometime it's the opposite.

[KingInExile]

So what do you guys think of Mike Bibby so far? He is averaging: 13.2/3.9/5.2/1.3 in 31 minutes. As we know he is still rusty from the long absence. Lately, his balance play is showing on court and his defense has improved... He has controlled the game and limiting the turnovers. His presence stabilizes the offense... Will we keep him (And let him expire in 2009, which is Petrie's big FA plan) or trade him by this season?

I would still gladly move him for some expirings and a pack of chewing gum...cinnamon flavored.

[~73aLL372~]

I'd prefer sweet peppermint (mmm) but my priority right now wouldn't be to trade Bibby. It would be to trade Artest. Bibby's been playing decently and has really been a factor running the team and creating for other players. His defense has improved but still sucks. I really don't have a problem with him.

[RIPskaterdude]

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I would still gladly move him for some expirings and a pack of chewing gum...cinnamon flavored.

HA! We would never move him for that!


Now if the conversation starts and ends with a bag of chips.........

[KF10]

Hmm, seems to me people are split on Mike Bibby then... IMO Bibby's improved defense is a bit underrated...He gets deflections, stays with his man consistently, put an arm up, and etc... Basically, he is playing his best D since forever...

[OGSactownballer]

GREAT!!!

So his value has increased - that means we can get a HOT DOG for him!!!

Sign me up!

I'd still much rather see him go and sit on Artest until summer for a better S&T opportunity than things that are available now.

[imahustla]

I'm a Cavs fan, and I know that Bibby has been linked to us for the past gazilllion years, and at one point he was almost a Cav. But please, for the life of me, what the hell on God's green earth is it gonna take to get this guy from you? One's man litter is another man's gold, but I don't know what it will take to finally get this guy to Cleveland.

Look, I know that my team sucks outside of LeBron (and Daniel Gibson). We have nothing to offer. Hell, we'll be lucky if LB stays beyond 2010 with the crap he's had to put up with. So please don't mock me bc I know the Cavs supporting cast sucks and we have limited assets.

The only trade I was thinking of that might work out is Drew Gooden, Ira Newble's expiring, Shannon Brown's expiring, and a '08 first-rounder for Bibby. It seems like some of you are huge Bibby honks and the others would want to trade him for expirings. Well, in this case, you save $6.5 million this summer, get a first-rounder, and oh yeah btw get a power forward who actually REBOUNDS (and whose contract is manageable). I still can't believe you guys gave three years to Mikki Moore...wtf (although like I said, I'm a Cavs fan. Our GM's Danny Ferry...and he gave LARRY HUGHES five years, so who the hell am I to talk???).

Honestly, if star players that are being moved are being moved for expirings and draft picks instead of four quarters for a dollar, then that trade makes sense. I've been wanting Bibby on the Cavs for a freaking year now and it's failed TWICE, and honestly it's driving me insane. Will this ever get done? Why is your boy Petrie so anal? AAhhhhh!!!!!!!!

[Ballings7]

Bibby will be a Cavalier eventually. If not by the deadline, then in the summer.

[KF10]

I just dont get it...Why do we trade Bibby? His deal is almost up...He would be even MORE valuable as an expiring. i.e. Jamison... His contract is linked to Petrie's plan on 2009 offseason Which expires at the sametime... I keep Bibby for 1 more year IMO...At least, we have a legit PG...

[Bac2Basics]

Bibby will be a Cavalier eventually. If not by the deadline, then in the summer.

Why would Petrie agree to send Bibby to Cleveland when Cleveland has no significant trade pieces?

[SacKingZZZ]

I think a Gooden plus a 1st deal is fine. I guess the hang up is maybe sending Kenny Thomas with him. Although the Cavs can put together a package for that too. I don't get what the hang up really is. Ferry has bent over backwards from what I have gathered to make a deal work and I think it's fair. The other thing with Bibby is that he expires the same year the Kings are supposedly wanting to reduce salary so to dump his contract might not be first on Petrie's to do list. Kenny or some other salary would have to be moved in a Bibby to Cleveland deal most likely.

The deal with Mikki is that the 3rd year isn't fully guaranteed. So in essence, he can be used as basically an expiring next year I think. I think it may be a little bit of Greg Ostertagish signing wise. I think the Petrie signed Tag in large part to use him as part of a future trade as an expiring/useful role player later on and the same can be said for Mikki.

[pillwenney]

I'm a Cavs fan, and I know that Bibby has been linked to us for the past gazilllion years, and at one point he was almost a Cav. But please, for the life of me, what the hell on God's green earth is it gonna take to get this guy from you? One's man litter is another man's gold, but I don't know what it will take to finally get this guy to Cleveland.

Look, I know that my team sucks outside of LeBron (and Daniel Gibson). We have nothing to offer. Hell, we'll be lucky if LB stays beyond 2010 with the crap he's had to put up with. So please don't mock me bc I know the Cavs supporting cast sucks and we have limited assets.

The only trade I was thinking of that might work out is Drew Gooden, Ira Newble's expiring, Shannon Brown's expiring, and a '08 first-rounder for Bibby. It seems like some of you are huge Bibby honks and the others would want to trade him for expirings. Well, in this case, you save $6.5 million this summer, get a first-rounder, and oh yeah btw get a power forward who actually REBOUNDS (and whose contract is manageable). I still can't believe you guys gave three years to Mikki Moore...wtf (although like I said, I'm a Cavs fan. Our GM's Danny Ferry...and he gave LARRY HUGHES five years, so who the hell am I to talk???).

Honestly, if star players that are being moved are being moved for expirings and draft picks instead of four quarters for a dollar, then that trade makes sense. I've been wanting Bibby on the Cavs for a freaking year now and it's failed TWICE, and honestly it's driving me insane. Will this ever get done? Why is your boy Petrie so anal? AAhhhhh!!!!!!!!

Well, I mean, like you said, you guys aren't exactly loaded with assets, and I think more importantly, you don't have very many expiring contracts. And the whole reason to trade Mike is to get us under the luxury tax next year.

[Bac2Basics]

I think a Gooden plus a 1st deal is fine. I guess the hang up is maybe sending Kenny Thomas with him. Although the Cavs can put together a package for that too. I don't get what the hang up really is. Ferry has bent over backwards from what I have gathered to make a deal work and I think it's fair. The other thing with Bibby is that he expires the same year the Kings are supposedly wanting to reduce salary so to dump his contract might not be first on Petrie's to do list. Kenny or some other salary would have to be moved in a Bibby to Cleveland deal most likely.

The deal with Mikki is that the 3rd year isn't fully guaranteed. So in essence, he can be used as basically an expiring next year I think. I think it may be a little bit of Greg Ostertagish signing wise. I think the Petrie signed Tag in large part to use him as part of a future trade as an expiring/useful role player later on and the same can be said for Mikki.

Gooden & a 1st isn't terribly impressive and it doesn't work under the cap.
Any of the deals I've seen that actually work under the cap have us taking guys like Donyell Marshall, Eric Snow or Damon Jones which is 3rd rate bench crap that we should be able to do better than on a Bibby deal.

[pillwenney]

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Gooden & a 1st isn't terribly impressive and it doesn't work under the cap.
Any of the deals I've seen that actually work under the cap have us taking guys like Donyell Marshall, Eric Snow or Damon Jones which is 3rd rate bench crap that we should be able to do better than on a Bibby deal.

But not if Kenny is leaving with him.

[Bac2Basics]

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But not if Kenny is leaving with him.

Moving Kenny to get Snow or Marshall back in return is a lateral move, besides it makes more sense to attach Kenny to Artest.

[SacKingZZZ]

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Moving Kenny to get Snow or Marshall back in return is a lateral move, besides it makes more sense to attach Kenny to Artest.

Uh, no it's not. That would knock a year off of Kenny's deal which is all we need.

[dozencousins]

well i though i am not necessarily saying we would get it i think if clevland offered gooden,newble and 2 1st round picks for bibby petrie would do that without demaning k.thomas being ivolved those 1st being 2008 & 2010 !

the way i see it if the lakers give 2 1sts for gasol with alot of expirings and the mavs offered 2 1sts plus expirings not to menytion d.harris for a 38 or so year old kidd then the way i see it my suggested trade is not so unrealistic to get the deal done at least bibby has alot of years left in the tank were as kidd has 2-3 years more likely and he can be put out to pasture !

i think the same scenerio basically applies for artest if a contender truly wants him as well !

we will see petrie is the master poker player

[Bac2Basics]

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Uh, no it's not. That would knock a year off of Kenny's deal which is all we need.

Ok, so maybe not completely a lateral move, but it still makes much more sense to move KT with Artest rather than Bibby.