Resigning Ron Artest

[sackings916]

Artest is a winner. He plays with heart, he's a mismatch on a nightly basis, and can guard elite perimeter players. The issue of him forcing up shots is being on a team with no leader, no true floor general. You put a Chris Paul with Martin and Artest and the offense would run a lot more smoother IMO. Keep Artest long term to pair with Martin and find that true point guard in the draft.

[Ballings7]

I'd be quite okay with him staying around, I love the guy, and there are certain reasons for him to. But, I'm pretty doubtful he's re-signed.

[RIPskaterdude]

Artest is a winner. He plays with heart, he's a mismatch on a nightly basis, and can guard elite perimeter players. The issue of him forcing up shots is being on a team with no leader, no true floor general. You put a Chris Paul with Martin and Artest and the offense would run a lot more smoother IMO. Keep Artest long term to pair with Martin and find that true point guard in the draft.

Won't happen.

A) Ron wants to play for a winning team
B) If we resign Artest for 9-11 million, we will be over the tax limit...a rebuilding/non-playoff team that is over the tax is NEVER good.

Like I said, if Artest isn't traded, I'm afraid we will "hope" for the playoffs and be completely disappointed, again. Then Artest will leave and we will be left with nothing.

[_SRV_]

There are 3 options IMO, I'd rate them by their level likeliness:
1. Artest is let go because the FO won't pay ~10m tax for a non-PO team.
2. Bibby traded for expirings, opening the door for Artest re-signing
3. The FO actually paying ~10 million in tax for a non-PO team.

[ICMTM]

You have to ask yourselves...is there a market for Ron Artest? Before we talk how much money he wants remember when Bonzi Wells outbid himself and there weren't ANY takers for him?

I don't think there will be a market for Ron Ron regardless of what the Kings do. THEREFORE, I think opting out would be a mistake for Artest personally. Who other than Isaiah Thomas wants Ron Artest?

[Smills91]

You have to ask yourselves...is there a market for Ron Artest? Before we talk how much money he wants remember when Bonzi Wells outbid himself and there weren't ANY takers for him?

I don't think there will be a market for Ron Ron regardless of what the Kings do. THEREFORE, I think opting out would be a mistake for Artest personally. Who other than Isaiah Thomas wants Ron Artest?

Well I think there are several teams that WANT Ron-Ron, but the main problem with Ron opting out is that you're right, there is no market for him and so none of the teams that DO want him could afford him.

Lakers
Nuggets
Cavs
Heat
Raptors

IMO would all be interested in Ron.

We'll see though, one week left until the trade deadline, maybe there'll be a fury of action this next week, maybe the Kidd deal caps it off(it's going to go down, it was just slowed down by that dumb A George.

[deNIEd]

Stop thinking we can win.

If we want to rebuild with Artest, FINE. But stop clinging onto this false since that we have any shot at the playoffs. Houston is 12 games over .500 and STILL not in the playoffs. Getting to .500 in the west now..is worthless, and will get you no where. Unless our team is amazing, then screw attempting to compete and rebuild.

If we want to keep Artest okay. Trade Bibby, Trade Miller.

Don't make trading Thomas/Shareef a major priority because it drastically lowers the value of either Bibby or Miller. Trade both of them for expirings and picks, or take on a smaller bad contract, in order to get a great pick. ie. Miller to Charlotte, but we take back Nazr. While, Bibby goes for purely expirings, say to Miami for J. Williams.

Lose enough so our draft pick is able to get either Rose or Bayless, and then sign the missing PF in 3-4 years. It's not that hard. However, if you want to win while rebuild, it's impossible. We do not have a Kobe type player, and we have one of the cheapest set of owners in the league.

the ONLY option is rebuilding/losing right now

[ICMTM]

Stop thinking we can win.

If we want to rebuild with Artest, FINE. But stop clinging onto this false since that we have any shot at the playoffs. Houston is 12 games over .500 and STILL not in the playoffs. Getting to .500 in the west now..is worthless, and will get you no where. Unless our team is amazing, then screw attempting to compete and rebuild.

If we want to keep Artest okay. Trade Bibby, Trade Miller.

Don't make trading Thomas/Shareef a major priority because it drastically lowers the value of either Bibby or Miller. Trade both of them for expirings and picks, or take on a smaller bad contract, in order to get a great pick. ie. Miller to Charlotte, but we take back Nazr. While, Bibby goes for purely expirings, say to Miami for J. Williams.

Lose enough so our draft pick is able to get either Rose or Bayless, and then sign the missing PF in 3-4 years. It's not that hard. However, if you want to win while rebuild, it's impossible. We do not have a Kobe type player, and we have one of the cheapest set of owners in the league.

the ONLY option is rebuilding/losing right now

Building through the draft is absolutely the wrong thing to do unless you're sitting on the #1 pick when a potential HOF player is in that draft. Look at teams like Memphis and the Clips who are always in the lottery. Even look at Portland. They are a few games over .500 and they built in the draft. Chicago is another team that's built through the draft. The only team that has been built exclusively through the draft and is a contender is San Antonio.

[nolimit0820]

If there is any intention of resigning Ron Artest then John Salmons has to go. He will never be content with being the "sixth man" and he shouldn't. He is too talented for that. One of the two have to go and in all likelihood its Ron. John Salmons and his contract are the perfect fit for this team as a championship contender. If we have all our money locked into Ron and Kevin we will not have too much flexibility for the other pieces of the puzzle.

There is not enough room for all of these talented swingmen we have.

[SacTown Kings]

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Building through the draft is absolutely the wrong thing to do unless you're sitting on the #1 pick when a potential HOF player is in that draft. Look at teams like Memphis and the Clips who are always in the lottery. Even look at Portland. They are a few games over .500 and they built in the draft. Chicago is another team that's built through the draft. The only team that has been built exclusively through the draft and is a contender is San Antonio.

I agree rebuilding through the draft is not wise. You can add Atlanta to that list as well (with the except of J. Johnson they rebuilt through the draft). They have a lot of young talent but they still suck. I don't want to be an Atlanta where it takes us 10 years to get good.

[Bibbinator]

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I agree rebuilding through the draft is not wise. You can add Atlanta to that list as well (with the except of J. Johnson they rebuilt through the draft). They have a lot of young talent but they still suck. I don't want to be an Atlanta where it takes us 10 years to get good.

Being a Portland is more ideal.

[SacKingZZZ]

I think it's pretty safe to say that the Kings have zero want to re-sign Artest. Our best shot to trade him was probably last summer, we didn't move him, if he is here past the deadline he walks during this upcoming summer.

[Bac2Basics]

1 - Even if we keep Artest, they're no way the Kings make the playoffs. It's just not realistic. The team would have to play something like .800 ball for the rest of the season, and at least 3 or 4 teams ahead of Sacramento would have to tank. It's a nice dream to have but it's time to wake up.

2 - I'm okay with getting a lesser return in an Artest trade if we get to move Kenny Thomas in the process. The addition by subtraction of moving KT's contract can give us much more flexibility of things than I think many Kings fans realize. Even with the KT contract, Artest still has the potential to take on a reasonable return.

3 - I'm not sure which team or scenario would be the best fit for an Artest trade, but with all the movement that's happened in the recent weeks, I think that many GM's are going to be scrambling to make a move and that's going to increase traction for a possible deal for current Kings.

[pillwenney]

I think it's pretty safe to say that tI have zero want and the Kings have zero flexibility to re-sign Artest. Our best shot to trade him was probably last summer, we didn't move him, if he is here past the deadline he walks during this upcoming summer.

Fixed.

[SacKingZZZ]

If the Maloofs/Kings really wanted to re-sign Ron Artest there would be SOME indication! C'mon, lets get real here, Artest is just about the single most available player in the league.

Geoff Petrie, GEOFF PETRIE, is even almost talking in normal sentence structure about it. An interesting tidbit about the Maloofs was posted in the Bee the other day, about how they have shown in the past that they will do anything to keep what they want to keep. I don't see this situation being any different if they wanted to keep Ron and the only reason they couldn't was financial. They signed Mikki Moore to the full MLE!!! if that doesn't show how free spending they are I don't know what will.

[pillwenney]

If the Maloofs/Kings really wanted to re-sign Ron Artest there would be SOME indication! C'mon, lets get real here, Artest is just about the single most available player in the league.

Geoff Petrie, GEOFF PETRIE, is even almost talking in normal sentence structure about it. An interesting tidbit about the Maloofs was posted in the Bee the other day, about how they have shown in the past that they will do anything to keep what they want to keep. I don't see this situation being any different if they wanted to keep Ron and the only reason they couldn't was financial. They signed Mikki Moore to the full MLE!!! if that doesn't show how free spending they are I don't know what will.

I think the hope was that the team would be more competitive, and thus would be able to justify going over the tax to re-sign him. Now that it's clear that we won't be, I don't think we'll re-sign someone that would put us that far into the tax.

[SacKingZZZ]

Yeah, and I think that the fact that this team is going nowhere with Ron Artest in the lead has more to do with Ron's future with the Kings than a strictly financial one.

Even if we didn't have to go over the tax to re-sign Ron, do you honestly think they would re-sign him this offseason?

I certainly don't.

[pillwenney]

Yeah, and I think that the fact that this team is going nowhere with Ron Artest in the lead has more to do with Ron's future with the Kings than a strictly financial one.

Even if we didn't have to go over the tax to re-sign Ron, do you honestly think they would re-sign him this offseason?

I certainly don't.

Absolutely. The only thing that Ron hurts is our draft pick.

[deNIEd]

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Building through the draft is absolutely the wrong thing to do unless you're sitting on the #1 pick when a potential HOF player is in that draft. Look at teams like Memphis and the Clips who are always in the lottery. Even look at Portland. They are a few games over .500 and they built in the draft. Chicago is another team that's built through the draft. The only team that has been built exclusively through the draft and is a contender is San Antonio.

Keeping Artest and Bibby and Miller is also the absolutely the wrong thing to do, IF our intention is to soley let them expire, which with our knowledge (the fans/media), is the King's intention. (Assuming our assumption is correct, for all we know, Martin and Hawes and our Pick could be traded tomorrow in a plan to contend now, but assuming we let them expire)

What good do A/B/M do for our team, if we will only let them expire. Unless we trade them, then they do us no good, instead only kill our chances at getting an Oden or Horford, or getting a Beasley/Rose, Rubio/Griffin. I agree, you can't soley build a team through the draft, but, I also understand, you can't build a team WITHOUT the draft.

Keeping B/A/M hurts us tremendously. Like I've said, getting something is better than getting nothing. If Artest is treated like an expiring contract, than any other expiring + any kind of incentive is better than keeping Artest.
Expiring = Expiring
mid-late 1st, or 2nd, or prospect all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nothing.

We all believe Petrie is this great nba mastermind, and a large portion of the fans on this board, believes Petrie is fully capable in finding a Boozer/Manu/Lee type of a player. Then, give Petrie a few more picks and let him prove himself.

Because as of late, he's proven nothing.

[PDXKnight]

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Being a Portland is more ideal.

Atlanta's GM sucks at drafting and passed up players like Brandon Roy, Rudy Gay, Deron Williams, Chris paul, ect. to fill needs above total talent. In many scenarios, rebuilding through the draft is the best scenario and the Blazers have definitely proven that oftentimes drafting on talent over needs is the best thing to do. Quiet honestly, I don't think many teams can do much worse than the Hawks as far as drafting goes and I definitely seen how beneficial building through the draft can be.