Kevin Martin

Post #1 » by **KF10** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 6:15 am

Kevin Martin arguably played his best basketball during March. His averages:

26.3 PPG/ 4.2 RPG/ 1.9 APG

Shooting at 47.1 % on 15 shot attempts, 38.8 % on 3s, and 63.8 TS%

11.2 FTA @ 88% FT

Way to go Martin!

:clap:

SactownHrtBrks8 · Post #2 » by **SactownHrtBrks8** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 6:31 am

Ya Martin is one of the bright spots. Him and Spencer Hawes of this season.

deNIEd · Post #3 » by **deNIEd** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 6:37 am

Throw in Garcia as a bright spot

Garcia could become a top 5 6th man in the league, hopefully bringing us what Bobby Jackson brought off the bench

Post #4 » by **KF10** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 6:41 am

^^

Yeah, definitely. A couple months ago, a stat showed that Garcia was like #2 in go ahead shots in the NBA...A great player to have off the bench...Even though, he had times that he was like....yeah...

SactownHrtBrks8 · Post #5 » by **SactownHrtBrks8** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 6:41 am

Ya agree on Garcia.

I think we need to get rid of Salmons, Moore and Miller.

I don't care how well Salmons played at the beginning on the year. He should be able to play off the bench, forget the ego

Try to up grade at PF and get a better backup or get a better PG and have Udrih as the backup. Will see where we go though

sackings916 · Post #6 » by **sackings916** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 7:37 am

Its no coincidence that Martin plays his best ball when him and Theus started putting that extra time in working together. Theus was a great scorer and knows what it takes to be an elite player.

K-Town King · Post #7 » by **K-Town King** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:02 am

Kevin will continue to get better and better and we're really lucky to have him playing for us we have some bright spots to build around with Cisco and Kevin and Hawes its a very nice nucleus and I feel like this team has a chance to be good in a couple years from now.

a-rod · Post #8 » by **a-rod** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 4:25 pm

good for him, but its true what they say, timing is everything :wink:

deNIEd · Post #9 » by **deNIEd** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 4:42 pm

Artest93

Completely agree.

Salmon's value has probably decreased some since the allstar break, but he is still a good player and still has good value.

Miller has to go, just because he has value, lots of it right now, and doesn't fit rebuilding teams.

Moore has to go just because he's like Miller, without the value lol.

Thomas should stay, just because we have to give up too much in order to get rid of him. Perhaps he obtains some value when he becomes an expiring.

Shareef should go once he has some value again, and trade him for any offer. Expiring + anything, and I say Shareef should be traded. Expiring + 2nd round = good enough.

Douby is expendable.

Beno/Martin/Garcia/Hawes (possibly Sheldon) (possibly Artest just because it will be impossible to find another Artest type player)

Those 4 maybe 6, is the start of a good team. Add 2 more pieces from moving our current players, and add 2 from the next two drafts, and I can see us with 10 quality players by the time of 2010.

I just hope that these players won't be 9 Garcia's (good 6th man type player, nothing extremely special as starter)

UKF · Post #10 » by **UKF** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 5:52 pm

I think Kevin, Spencer, and Cisco are all bright spots. They all did better than anyone expected, and in Spencer's case much more than I expected. When we drafted him I thought it was a total mistake that we took him instead of PG Acie Law. Spencer has blown me away with his footwork and his shot. He has looked ten times better than I had expected him to get.

Cisco is a big part of this teams future. Him Kev and Spencer are going to be the core young guys on this team. Cisco has made some mistakes this year, but his jumper is so clean. When he shoots and misses, your are surprised (like a certain player that wore number 16). He hasnt been perfect but nobody really has. At times he forces things, but he will learn.

Artest93 wrote:Ya agree on Garcia.

I think we need to get rid of Salmons, Moore and Miller.

I don't care how well Salmons played at the beginning on the year. He should be able to play off the bench, forget the ego

Try to up grade at PF and get a better backup or get a better PG and have Udrih as the backup. Will see where we go though

I have to disagree with that. In Moore, we finally have an athletic big man that can get a rebound and throw it down like any PF should. I think it was the game against Houston when he got the board and in the same motion put it down. I can't remember the last time a Kings player did that.

Miller is getting old but I he is one of the most important parts to the team. If we take away Brad this will hurt us a lot. Kevin gets a lot of his baskets from G+Gs with Brad. He is a very under-rated big man, and having him helps us more than you can notice. Yeah, at times he annoys me with his complaining, but he has made a huge jump this year, and he has played hard every night.

And John, Im kinda in the middle with him. He plays great at times, on the defensive end and on the offensive. In the last game against Houston, he spent a lot of time on Tracy and did a great job of staying with him. I dont know why he cant come off the bench, but I dont think its because he doesnt want to. If it is then I would want him gone as well.

_SRV_ · Post #11 » by **_SRV_** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 7:18 pm

Did you just say that Moore can get a rebound?

deNIEd · Post #12 » by **deNIEd** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 7:20 pm

[quote="UKF"][/quote]

If Moore shouldn't be traded and Miller shouldn't be traded, that makes our only assets Artest and Salmons.

Its a given that our team needs to improve, and if the draft isn't the answer (which 99% of this board believes so, except for me and a few others), and the trade isn't a real possiblity (the majority of our teams are off limits and not looking to be moved), that leaves our only option as the FA, which no team rebuilt by the FA has ever had success.

sackings916 · Post #13 » by **sackings916** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 7:25 pm

Salmons just isnt a very good role player. He needs play starter minutes and get a lot of touches for him to be effective.

sacking101 · Post #14 » by **sacking101** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 10:59 pm

I would love for mikki to stick around but not as a starter. Him and garcia are perfect energy guys off the bench. As for Kevin has he seemed more
aggressive ever since he has been working with reggie privately? He seems to finally have almost a cocky swagger out on the court that I really have never seen from him before. (And I mean that in a good way.)

SactownHrtBrks8 · Post #15 » by **SactownHrtBrks8** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 11:03 pm

[quote="UKF"][/quote]

Thats where we have a difference of opinion.

I like Miller. I still think he has some good ball left. But I like Hawes more and he needs starter minutes.

Moore. I am mixed on. It just seems like we play better without him. He shouldn't be a starter. I'd be fine if he was 10-15 minutes a game but as a backup nothing more

As for Salmons, sorry his time is over IMO. Good players can play whenever. He's just not that great of a player.

As for Rahim and Thomas, I've basical forgot they were on the team.

Rahim I think is keepable, again as a backup, but I 'd say get rid of him or Moore and get a better defensive backup Center or PF, depending on the upgrade we get at PF (thats if we do) and Sheldan Williams

Thomas is not worth discussing. End of story

sackings916 · Post #16 » by **sackings916** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 3:01 am

How is Salmons time over? He plays the same position as Kmart and Artest, the Kings 2 best players. To expect him to play the same when those 2 were out to when they came back is not realistic. He needs a bigger role and a lot of touches to be effective and as I said earlier he's not much of a role player. I think Salmons could get a mid 1st rounder, teams(including the Kings) know how much talent he has and what he is capable of.

SactownHrtBrks8 · Post #17 » by **SactownHrtBrks8** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 7:34 am

sackings916 wrote:How is Salmons time over? He plays the same position as Kmart and Artest, the Kings 2 best players. To expect him to play the same when those 2 were out to when they came back is not realistic. He needs a bigger role and a lot of touches to be effective and as I said earlier he's not much of a role player. I think Salmons could get a mid 1st rounder, teams(including the Kings) know how much talent he has and what he is capable of.

Did i say he had to play the same as before Artest and Martin got back? No, i just said he should be able to play at least a little effective off the bench. If he was such a great palyer, he'd be fine off the bench

Salmons has talent, make no mistake, but he needs to be able to be effective in any situation, good players do that.

I'm sick of hearing about touches. Not only has his offense has slacked but his defense and effort also. I say get rid of him, even if Artest leaves, we don't need players like that

but hey thats just me, i'm entitled to my thoughts

BMiller52 · Post #18 » by **BMiller52** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 8:20 am

Artest93 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Did i say he had to play the same as before Artest and Martin got back? No, i just said he should be able to play at least a little effective off the bench. If he was such a great palyer, he'd be fine off the bench

Salmons has talent, make no mistake, but he needs to be able to be effective in any situation, good players do that.

I'm sick of hearing about touches. Not only has his offense has slacked but his defense and effort also. I say get rid of him, even if Artest leaves, we don't need players like that

but hey thats just me, i'm entitled to my thoughts

I kind of agree. I don't really see minutes for John, and the fact is Martin/Artest/Cisco is a really good rotation for SG/SF. If he can't produce, we could be better off trading him. Better off than keeping him on the bench anyway, and we are better off with the above 3 I listed than with him starting. I dunno I kinda feel bad for the guy because he was good as a starter but he needs to be consistent.

GMcapable · Post #19 » by **GMcapable** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 5:49 pm

Im really surpised people are so down on Salmons. He carried us for 2 months and was playing at an allstar level. Of course he is worse now with half the shots, minutes etc. I agree if he had a better overall attitude the drop off in production wouldnt have been as great. But at the same time thats what I like about John he has a lot of confidence in himself and truly believes that he is a starter and a star. He wants to win and I bet if we were a playoff team and he still had a reduced role he wouldnt mind because it would be working. But as a proffessional to see your team struggle and feel if you were playing things would be different then how can you blame him. At least he cares unlike KT!

On another note why arent more of you sold on Beno. The guy is stud and a lot like Manu. He is constant energy, good attitude, good team player and playmaker. He is everythin other than overally athletic that you could ask for in a PG. Why dont you guys get that. He needs to be resigned long term. That way we can focus all our attention to the BIGS the backcourt is set with Udrih, Martin, Garcia, Artest.

SadKingsFan · Post #20 » by **SadKingsFan** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 8:56 pm

Its not about being "sold" on Beno, i just dont want to give him a 5 year contract at the moment. Two to three years is just fine and long enough to know if he indeed the real deal and if he is good enough to be a longterm starter or great backup.

And i have noticed the same thing as Sackingz. Kevin Martin has looked much more cocky out there the last month or so and im loving it. Reggie theus might deserve alot of credit because martin is definitely doing some things i havent seen him do before, in terms of ball handling and creating shots for himself.