My offseason plan

[BMiller52]

I can come up with about a thousand but here is one off the top of my head, and isn't quite the way a lot of people would do it but I felt like going a different direction:

1. Draft DJ Augustin, Jason Thompson or DeVon Hardin, and DeMarcus Nelson
2. Trade Ron Artest+S&T Anthony Johnson for Marcus Camby
3. Trade Miller to Dallas for Eddie Jones, Jerry Stackhouse, and Brandon Bass
4. Re-Sign Beno with MLE


Depth chart becomes:

Beno/Augustin/Douby(could be traded or whatever)
Martin/Salmons/Nelson
Garcia/Stackhouse/Salmons
Bass/Shelden/Moore
Camby/Spencer/Hardin(or Thompson)

Camby would be good for a few years, he seems to me like a guy like Mutumbo who can play forever. He gets injured sometimes, but that just opens minutes for Spencer. He'd give us a shotblocker while Spencer still matures and then after that he could be our 3rd big off the bench like a guy like Mutumbo is for Houston. He's still a great rebounder and shotblocker, his length and skills aren't going to dissappear just because he'll be 34 next year(and IMO effective as a starter until he's like 37 or 38) because he doesn't rely on athleticism. This trade also lets Cisco start. For Denver it works because they can plug in Nene at C next year and probably be fine. Interior D isn't their problem, it's perimeter D and they even keep their boy Kleiza.

Augustin is a good PG and in his 1st year he'd be a good sparkplug off the bench. Or he could beat out Beno in training camp. Either way 1 of them would be a great back up, the other probably a good starter but I'm not sure Beno's the longterm PG of this team. So I take Augustin for that.

Dallas gets another experienced big man who can play pretty well. Brad would give them another shooter and he could be good at PF for the 10 or so minutes Dirk doesn't play, also he can back up for Dampier. For us we get experience off the bench but best of all we get Brandon Bass, who could be a good starter for some team and is only 24. He gets 8/5 and half a block in like 20 minutes off the bench and he could be a good starter for us IMO. I love his game. He and Shelden could battle it out for the starting PF spot but he can play for sure, would be putting up really nice stats if he weren't behind one of the best PFs in the NBA.

I can probaby do 1000 more of these, but this is my first. What do you guys think?

[KF10]

I can come up with about a thousand but here is one off the top of my head, and isn't quite the way a lot of people would do it but I felt like going a different direction:

1. Draft DJ Augustin, Jason Thompson or DeVon Hardin, and DeMarcus Nelson

I will be cool I guess, if we drafted DJ Augustin.

2. Trade Ron Artest+S&T Anthony Johnson for Marcus Camby

I remember that this trade was mention in the trade board several months ago (8-9 months ago) it was actually a good deal but Im not sure how this viewpoint is changed. Artest is that player that brings another dimension to the game for the Nuggets. But if they trade Camby, who will be the center for the Nuggets? Nene?

3. Trade Miller to Dallas for Eddie Jones, Jerry Stackhouse, and Brandon Bass

Eh, this trade to me is kinda blah...We get shorter contracts and Bass which is good but I dont know...Besides Dampier/Miller combo will cost $$$ for the Mavericks...

4. Re-Sign Beno with MLE

Im ok we resign Beno, I guess.

Depth chart becomes:

Beno/Augustin/Douby(could be traded or whatever)
Martin/Salmons/Nelson
Garcia/Stackhouse/Salmons
Bass/Shelden/Moore
Camby/Spencer/Hardin(or Thompson)

Camby would be good for a few years, he seems to me like a guy like Mutumbo who can play forever. He gets injured sometimes, but that just opens minutes for Spencer. He'd give us a shotblocker while Spencer still matures and then after that he could be our 3rd big off the bench like a guy like Mutumbo is for Houston. He's still a great rebounder and shotblocker, his length and skills aren't going to dissappear just because he'll be 34 next year(and IMO effective as a starter until he's like 37 or 38) because he doesn't rely on athleticism. This trade also lets Cisco start. For Denver it works because they can plug in Nene at C next year and probably be fine. Interior D isn't their problem, it's perimeter D and they even keep their boy Kleiza.

Augustin is a good PG and in his 1st year he'd be a good sparkplug off the bench. Or he could beat out Beno in training camp. Either way 1 of them would be a great back up, the other probably a good starter but I'm not sure Beno's the longterm PG of this team. So I take Augustin for that.

Dallas gets another experienced big man who can play pretty well. Brad would give them another shooter and he could be good at PF for the 10 or so minutes Dirk doesn't play, also he can back up for Dampier. For us we get experience off the bench but best of all we get Brandon Bass, who could be a good starter for some team and is only 24. He gets 8/5 and half a block in like 20 minutes off the bench and he could be a good starter for us IMO. I love his game. He and Shelden could battle it out for the starting PF spot but he can play for sure, would be putting up really nice stats if he weren't behind one of the best PFs in the NBA.

I can probaby do 1000 more of these, but this is my first. What do you guys think?

Overall, not bad. But we could find various scenarios that could be more ideal for the Kings IMO.

But I have a question. Are we contending in this lineup, rebuilding, or rebuilding on the fly?

[longfellow44]

^^It's not bad but I don't hink that this would really change us that much we would be a team very similar to Denver with this trade good but still not good enough.


My Off Season

Resign Beno to MLE

Trade Mikki to a team with capspace for a TPE

Trade Artest to Phoneix for their TPE and atl's 1st


Draft Westbrook with our Pick
Draft Arthur with the Phoneix pick


New Roster
Udrih/Westbrook
Martin/Douby
Salmons/Garcia
Arthur/Shelden
Miller/Hawes

In another years time we will have several expiring contracts that we will be able to trade or let expire. However if we let them expire we will more than likely still not have much cap room because we will be giving extensions to Hawes and Garcia and maybe Shelden.

[BMiller52]

I'm not sure if we'd be contending or rebuilding on the fly. Probably rebuilding on the fly, because as Camby gets worse it would allow Hawes to transition into his role without having it forced on him before he's ready.

Here's another 1 but it's less moves:
Draft Augustin
Sign Carl Landry with part of the MLE
Salmons to the Spurs for their pick and a player(they could probably S&T someone to a 1 year deal)
With their pick take... hmm I dunno. Maybe it would have to be a pre agreed to deal anyway because draft is before FA. Earl Clark or Hardin or someone, just whatever athletic big man prospect is there.

I kinda like longfellow44's though.

Kingsfan10: I dunno I like Bass's game more than other people I guess. But yeah Nene would start at C for the Nuggets. That'd be a tough and strong line up though... AI/Artest/Melo/Martin/Nene.

[KF10]

Kingsfan10: I dunno I like Bass's game more than other people I guess. But yeah Nene would start at C for the Nuggets. That'd be a tough and strong line up though... AI/Artest/Melo/Martin/Nene.

Yeah, fair enough. I like Bass's game as well. Very solid big man.

[_SRV_]

Draft Love or Arthur, if Arthur or PG is drafted, sign O'Bryant from the W's.
Sign Beno for part of the MLE.
Listen to offers for Miller and Artest, try to unload KT with one of them (probably Artest), again, if Miller is traded go after a center prospect, O'Bryant fits the bill.

[BMiller52]

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Yeah, fair enough. I like Bass's game as well. Very solid big man.

Yeah bro, also what do you think of Carl Landry? I dunno why but he's a FA and he had a real nice rookie season for Houston. We could take him with part of the MLE.

[RIPskaterdude]

I'm not sure if we'd be contending or rebuilding on the fly. Probably rebuilding on the fly, because as Camby gets worse it would allow Hawes to transition into his role without having it forced on him before he's ready.

Here's another 1 but it's less moves:
Draft Augustin
Sign Carl Landry with part of the MLE
Salmons to the Spurs for their pick and a player(they could probably S&T someone to a 1 year deal)
With their pick take... hmm I dunno. Maybe it would have to be a pre agreed to deal anyway because draft is before FA. Earl Clark or Hardin or someone, just whatever athletic big man prospect is there.

I kinda like longfellow44's though.

Kingsfan10: I dunno I like Bass's game more than other people I guess. But yeah Nene would start at C for the Nuggets. That'd be a tough and strong line up though... AI/Artest/Melo/Martin/Nene.

Doubt Houston will let Landry go, IMO. Plus, with the Spurs not having a 2009 draft pick, I don't think they will trade this one, they need to get younger.

[BMiller52]

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Doubt Houston will let Landry go, IMO. Plus, with the Spurs not having a 2009 draft pick, I don't think they will trade this one, they need to get younger.

Oh yea I didn't know SA traded their pick, my bad. They must've traded it in the Kurt Thomas deal right?

I dunno but Landry's a FA for some reason, and if we throw the MLE at him they might not be willing to overpay especially if they wind up drafting a bigger PF like a Hardin or someone, and with Scola as the starter already. He has been hella productive for a rookie, the guy can play. Not much of a shotblocker but he's a really good rebounder and a good athlete. Could potentially break out like Boozer did when he left the Cavs IMO.

[sackings916]

I had a dream that next season was about to start and we had Kaman and Camby on the team. Dont know how we got them but they were on the team. Imagine that defense/rebounding from a Kaman/Camby/Artest frontcourt.

[KF10]

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Yeah bro, also what do you think of Carl Landry? I dunno why but he's a FA and he had a real nice rookie season for Houston. We could take him with part of the MLE.

Yeah, I like Landry as well. Nice active, athletic and solid big man. I like his hustle around the basket. We could try to throw part of the MLE at him. Either way, I would be happy if we got him.

[Smills91]

My thoughts:
1) Draft Kevin Love with the #12 pick

2) Package Kenny Thomas with John Salmons for an expiring deal.
-example: Salmons/Thomas for Raef LaFrentz

3) Shed SAR for an expiring contract
-example: SAR/2nd round pick to NY for Malik Rose

4) Re-up Artest for 3-4 more years

5) Re-sign Beno Udrih for the MLE at 3-4 years.

6) Extend Garcia for 5 years at 25 million

6) Dump Brad Miller at the trade deadline for an expiring contract and pick.
-example: Rasho Nesterovic/Joey Graham for Brad Miller

Kings roster at the end of next season:
C: Spencer Hawes, Mikki Moore(can be cut at 50%)
PF: Kevin Love
SF: Ron Artest, Francisco Garcia
SG: Kevin Martin, Quincy Douby
PG: Beno Udrih

Contracts on the books for summer of 2009
Martin - 11 million
Artest - 10 million
Garcia - 5 million
Beno - 6 million
Hawes - 2 million
Douby - 1 million
2nd round pick - 0.5 million

Grand total of 31-32 million dollars spent

that'd give the Kings ~ 25 million to spend on Free Agency in 2009(NEXT off-season)
Which would equate to two big signings.

Potential Prized restricted free agents in 2009:
Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Marvin Williams, Raymond Felton,Sean May, Jason Maxiell, Danny Granger, Andrew Bynum, Charlie Villanueva, David Lee, Paul Millsap

Potential Prized unrestricted free agents in 2009:
Elton Brand, Shawn Marion, Chris Wilcox, Drew Gooden, Gilbert Arenas, Lamar Odom

[SacKingZZZ]

If we are going for say, Elton Brad, and want to keep Artest and compete now then we don't need all the youth.

Kevin Marin, 12th pick, and whatever else it takes salary wise (Probably Mikki and Reef maybe more) for Brand this summer. Re-sign Beno and AJ and give it a go. i don't like the idea of tearing down our vertern core to sign a guy like Brand and then be left with Artest/Brand and a bunch of young guys needing time to develop.

PG: Beno / AJ
SG: Salmons / Douby
SF: Artest / Cisco
PF: Brand / Shelden / KT
C: Miller / Hawes

[BMiller52]

My thoughts:
1) Draft Kevin Love with the #12 pick

2) Package Kenny Thomas with John Salmons for an expiring deal.
-example: Salmons/Thomas for Raef LaFrentz

3) Shed SAR for an expiring contract
-example: SAR/2nd round pick to NY for Malik Rose

4) Re-up Artest for 3-4 more years

5) Re-sign Beno Udrih for the MLE at 3-4 years.

6) Extend Garcia for 5 years at 25 million

6) Dump Brad Miller at the trade deadline for an expiring contract and pick.
-example: Rasho Nesterovic/Joey Graham for Brad Miller

Kings roster at the end of next season:
C: Spencer Hawes, Mikki Moore(can be cut at 50%)
PF: Kevin Love
SF: Ron Artest, Francisco Garcia
SG: Kevin Martin, Quincy Douby
PG: Beno Udrih

Contracts on the books for summer of 2009
Martin - 11 million
Artest - 10 million
Garcia - 5 million
Beno - 6 million
Hawes - 2 million
Douby - 1 million
2nd round pick - 0.5 million

Grand total of 31-32 million dollars spent

that'd give the Kings ~ 25 million to spend on Free Agency in 2009(NEXT off-season)
Which would equate to two big signings.

Potential Prized restricted free agents in 2009:
Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Marvin Williams, Raymond Felton,Sean May, Jason Maxiell, Danny Granger, Andrew Bynum, Charlie Villanueva, David Lee, Paul Millsap

Potential Prized unrestricted free agents in 2009:
Elton Brand, Shawn Marion, Chris Wilcox, Drew Gooden, Gilbert Arenas, Lamar Odom

I stopped reading at: 1) Draft Kevin Love with the #12 pick

Actually otherwise that you didn't do too badly but that would be a really horrible decision. I think I just my jab my eyes out with silverware if we took Love. I pray he won't be there when we pick.

[KF10]

Agreed, BMiller52. But Love is not THAT bad of a player but he is a bad fit for this team. Especially, if Hawes is our future Center....

[Wolfay]

I like Smills' plan, although I'm not sure about Kevin Love either. I admit I don't really follow college sorts or the draft, but pretty much everything I've read on the matter says Love has the biggest potential to be a bust.

I'm curious to see how Brand plays next season coming back from injury.

[BMiller52]

Agreed, BMiller52. But Love is not THAT bad of a player but he is a bad fit for this team. Especially, if Hawes is our future Center....

Yeah I think he'll be a decent player but with his lack of mobility and athleticism we would get killed on D all game every game. If we pick him we have to dump Spencer. I rather just pick someone who fits next to Spencer.

[deNIEd]

Assumption - The majority of players declare this year, making 08 a strong draft class, and 09 a weaker one compared to 08.

Draft Day Trade
Cha: N. Mohammed, 08 1st
Sac: B. Miller, 09 1st (Lotto Protected in 09, top 3 protected in 10)

Draft
8th Pick - Blake Griffin
12th Pick - Anthony Randolph
2nd Round Picks - ....

After Draft
LAC give: C. Maggette, B. Knight
LAC gets: J. Salmons, M. Moore, Q. Douby, 09 1st (Tor), 09 2nd (Sac)

Tor give: T. Ford, 09 1st (Top 16 Protected)
Tor gets: C. Maggette

Sac give: J. Salmons, M. Moore, Q. Douby, King's 09 2nd
Sac gets: T. Ford, B. Knight

*Resign Beno to MLE*

PG: TJ Ford/B. Udrih
SG: K. Martin/F. Garcia/08 2nd
SF: R. Artest/A. Randolph
PF: B. Griffin/S. Rahim/K. Thomas
C : S. Hawes/S. Williams/08 2nd

2010 Offseason
PG: TJ Ford/B. Udirh ~ (14 mil)
SG: K. Martin/F. Garcia ~ (16 mil)
SF: R. Artest/A. Randolph ~ (14 mil)
PF: B. Griffin ~ (4 mil)
C : S. Hawes/S. Williams ~ (6 mil)

Total - 50 mil
Roughly 10 mil for FA (by this time)
Gives option of Trading Artest if Garcia/Randolph works out better
Gives option of trading Ford or Beno if either one turns out better

[BMiller52]

Denied I actually like that a lot but I heard today Griffin's returning . You could probably plug in a guy like Jordan or Arthur or Speights and be fine though.

[KF10]

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Yeah I think he'll be a decent player but with his lack of mobility and athleticism we would get killed on D all game every game. If we pick him we have to dump Spencer. I rather just pick someone who fits next to Spencer.

Yeah, agreed. But Love's defense is kinda underrated IMO. His positional defense in the post has been decent IMO. And he has kinda a good timing on blocks as well...But either way, he just doesnt fit with the structure of the team.