Will people keep questioning Petrie about the draft?

AnDrOiDKing4 · Post #1 » by **AnDrOiDKing4** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:50 am

I was wondering your guys views on Petrie and the draft.

I was just thinking about all the negatively Kings fans have shown Petrie the last couple of years, there were alot of people riding Petrie to the ground but he still did his job, and although we didnt have a successful season in terms of the playoffs, we showed alot of promise for the future.

Starting off with K-Mart, alot of people laughed at that draft pick, and only a couple of years later he is one of the best scorers in the nba.

Garcia was another one the fans seemed to get on his case about, he struggled at first but now is developing into one of those complete all around players in the nba and i can easily see him starting at the 3.

Hawes was called a bust by many fans before he even got to play, and he played pretty well for a 19 year old rookie.

Douby is/was another pick that fans seem to be iffy about, but like the other draft picks if given a year or two, we will be able to see his potential.

I wont lie, i was one of the many that didnt like the drafts over the last couple of years but you wont see me bitching this year, no matter the spot we pick at or who we pick, i will trust Petrie 100%

a-rod · Post #2 » by **a-rod** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:52 pm

I trust him and i think hes doing a great job, i never really questioned him.

deNIEd · Post #3 » by **deNIEd** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:17 pm

I'm bitching about the fact that we won't do anything to help our draft pick at all.

Look how close we are to the 11th or even 10th pick this year (last year a 4th-9th pick was under 5 games or so).

Everyone continously says "the draft is a crapshot, most of the time you can get a bust"

I trust Petrie enough to believe, wherever he picks, he will get a good player. Why not give him more options.

What will kill me the most, is if in this draft, Augustin, McGee, Jordan, Arthur all go right before us, which in most mock's is exactly where they are going, 3-4 spots preceding ours.

Post #4 » by **pillwenney** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:40 pm

In most mocks that I have seen, Arthur isn't going until like 20, so I don't really know what you're talking about there--MgGee also usually goes later.

But I think that that is such a nice thing about the draft this year. There are so many options that I have to think that we'll at least have a couple to work with. There's Arthur, Jordan, Augustin, Speights, Randolph, Collison, maybe Westbrook, MgGee. I mean we have a ton of options that could potentially be good fits for us, and most of them will probably be available to us.

Petrie won't be starving for options this year. So frankly, I'll easily take my team having a sense of pride, and knowing how good they are (and my veterans maintaining some value) over the possibility that Geoff has one more possible option.

_SRV_ · Post #5 » by **_SRV_** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:48 pm

deNIEd wrote:I'm bitching about the fact that we won't do anything to help our draft pick at all.

Look how close we are to the 11th or even 10th pick this year (last year a 4th-9th pick was under 5 games or so).

Everyone continously says "the draft is a crapshot, most of the time you can get a bust"

I trust Petrie enough to believe, wherever he picks, he will get a good player. Why not give him more options.

What will kill me the most, is if in this draft, Augustin, McGee, Jordan, Arthur all go right before us, which in most mock's is exactly where they are going, 3-4 spots preceding ours.

What you say is true for last year's draft (Noah was the better fit, and would've saved us from signing Moore I think), but this year it's really a crap shoot.
Also, as a fan you get caught into games that don't matter and find yourself cheering, think how would a young competitive BB player, thirsty to prove himself will do (or imagine Ron Artest

).

mobiuseinz · Post #6 » by **mobiuseinz** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:39 am

if he picks Westbrook or Arthur I'll be satisfied.

Ballings7 · Post #7 » by **Ballings7** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:29 am

I don't think I'll be unhappy to any extent with who we pick.

If we pick an SF over a big man or PG that was a quality prospect for us, then I'll have mixed feelings.

deNIEd · Post #8 » by **deNIEd** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:38 am

Ballings7 wrote:I don't think I'll be unhappy to any extent with who we pick.

If we pick an SF over a big man or PG that was a quality prospect for us, then I'll have mixed feelings.

Depends how good the SG/SF is.

If (last year bad draft), its like 2006, and its picking either a Brandon Roy/Rudy Gay or Patrick O'Bryant/Sene, then i think its a no brainer and go with the SG/SF.

(hindsight 20/20)
but, the point being, I trust petrie enough in his drafting ablities. I just don't trust or know about his rebuilding commitment

d0rkus916 · Post #9 » by **d0rkus916** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:49 am

deNIEd wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

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but, the point being, I trust petrie enough in his drafting ablities. I just don't trust or know about his rebuilding commitment

i agree with the above comments. i guess we're uncertain about what he is thinking w/ the lack of trades as we are a rebuilding team...

VeeJay24 · Post #10 » by **VeeJay24** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:37 am

I think Petrie really is trying to retool without going all the way down like Miami this year. Although the Kings haven't been able to crack the playoffs, they haven't been awful. In fact I think if Theus is the coach last year they would've made the playoffs.

I don't know where you heard the complaining about K-mart, I remember everyone approving of the pick especially since the Kings picked near the bottom of the the 1st rd.

I don't think anyone thought Cisco was a bad pick, they just it would be a overload at the wing position.

Personally, I'm still not sold on Douby, the jury's still out. In fact I still think we'd be better off with Marcus Williams, Rajon Rondo or Jordan Farmar. So I do think Petrie missed here but you don't hit all the time in the draft.

I remember everyone having a wait and see attitude with Hawes since he was a big man and had awesome offensive skills.

So I don't think your assessment of everyone questioning Petrie's drafting is totally true.

I think if anything people questioned his rebuilding method. They didn't know if he was rebuilding or trying to win.

SacKingZZZ · Post #11 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:48 am

Ballings7 wrote:I don't think I'll be unhappy to any extent with who we pick.

If we pick an SF over a big man or PG that was a quality prospect for us, then I'll have mixed feelings.

I don't know, I think having Beno (hopefully) and now adding Shelden and Spencer our needs in both areas are greatly reduced. I like this crop of hybrid F's. Much more legit combos than last year. Clark, Greene, and Randolph could all be there when we pick and I wouldn't be disappointed with any of them. In fact, I would be pretty disappointed if we got the PG's that will most likely be in our area of the draft.

sactownsport · Post #12 » by **sactownsport** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:18 pm

The draft is not the problem. Its very rare that a team gets better through a draft pick. Trades are the issue. Why couldnt he get Pau Gasol, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Shaq & even Kobie who wanted to be traded at the beginning of the year. Last year Golden State suddenly became a better team than us because of their 4 man trade. I don't see evidence of a GM that can help us win the Pacific Division much less get to the Western Finals. The 2008-2009 season will be very telling!

Post #13 » by **KingInExile** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:18 pm

sactownsport wrote:The draft is not the problem. Its very rare that a team gets better through a draft pick. Trades are the issue. Why couldnt he get Pau Gasol, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Shaq & even Kobie who wanted to be traded at the beginning of the year. Last year Golden State suddenly became a better team than us because of their 4 man trade. I don't see evidence of a GM that can help us win the Pacific Division much less get to the Western Finals. The 2008-2009 season will be very telling!

When you don't have much that people want in a trade...especially for "big name" players...then trades don't get done. This is the biggest thing that a lot of people on these boards can't seem to understand. The NBA is a business. Petrie can't just snap his fingers and make a trade happen.

Ballings7 · Post #14 » by **Ballings7** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:34 pm

SKZZZ wrote:I don't know, I think having Beno (hopefully) and now adding Shelden and Spencer our needs in both areas are greatly reduced. I like this crop of hybrid F's. Much more legit combos than last year. Clark, Greene, and Randolph could all be there when we pick and I wouldn't be disappointed with any of them. In fact, I would be pretty disappointed if we got the PG's that will most likely be in our area of the draft.

Well, I've already established how I feel about that scenario with the combo fowards as our future PF. We basically agree to disagree there (excluding probably Clark).

Shelden is questionable if he's going to be a starter for awhile, and Beno is questionable if he'll be starting at PG for more than 2-3 years. Assuming he's re-signed.

As starters, I don't know with Shelden, I think he may be for a little bit, and with Beno I see as a short-term guy. But more than that? I don't know with Shelden, and don't think so with Beno.

I of course wouldn't mind at all if it turned out in Shelden being the future PF, I'd be glad about that, meaning he turned out really good (at least for this team), but that's tough to say if it goes like that.

I think with who we take with our pick, regardless of what position, that guy will probably be a future starter (how soon depends, of course). Considering the ability and up-side level with numerous prospects. There is the scenario of trading the player away who we picked, but that is an unknown, until something develops where that would be a possibility.

I'm only into a few PGs. Overall, though, I'm about the big men first here.

Cruel_Ruin · Post #15 » by **Cruel_Ruin** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:23 pm

sactownsport wrote:The draft is not the problem. Its very rare that a team gets better through a draft pick. Trades are the issue. Why couldnt he get Pau Gasol, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Shaq & even Kobie who wanted to be traded at the beginning of the year. Last year Golden State suddenly became a better team than us because of their 4 man trade. I don't see evidence of a GM that can help us win the Pacific Division much less get to the Western Finals. The 2008-2009 season will be very telling!

Uhh... no. Teams usually get better when they surround their star draft picks with good talent.

Spurs: Drafted Duncan (1st, 1997), Parker (28th!, 2001) and Ginobli (57th!, 1999)
Lakers: Drafted Kobe (13th, 1996), Bynum (10th, 2005)
Hornets: Drafted Pau (4th, 2005), West (18th, 2003)
Rockets: Drafted Yao (1st, 2002)
Suns: Drafted Amare' (9th, 2002)
Jazz: Drafted D.Williams (3rd, 2005)
Mavericks: Drafted Dirk (9th, 1998)
Nuggets: Drafted Carmelo (3rd, 2003)

There's your entire Western Conference playoff picture for you.