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Going back to the elite Kings teams, the Kings had Christie,Hedo and to a lesser extent Jim Jackson handling the ball, while Bibby and Jackson were used as scorers.

I think Petrie is trying to recreate this point forward/scoring guard combo. With his recent draft picks in Garcia and Douby, and acquiring John Salmons via FA, I think Petrie is infatuated with the combo. I remember a few years back Petrie was saying he wanted the team to get the "versatility" the elite Kings teams had, was this what he was talking about? In rebuilding the team, is this the right way to go about it or is going more traditional with playmaking PGs and scoring wings the better way?

Passing point guards, ones who look to set up teammates more then they shoot (not to say they can't score as well, I mean, look at Paul) are, IMO, very necessary. I wish we had a pass first PG rather then a combo guard.

I think calling Cisco and Salmons "point forwards" is a bit of a stretch. Both can certainly handle the ball well enough to bring it up the court pretty much every time if need be, and can play PG in a pinch, but neither really can run things like DC could IMO. Really, both are more scorers, and I think that that is what Geoff likes to look for, and is good at finding--and that includes the PG spot.

mitchweber wrote:I think calling Cisco and Salmons "point forwards" is a bit of a stretch. Both can certainly handle the ball well enough to bring it up the court pretty much every time if need be, and can play PG in a pinch, but neither really can run things like DC could IMO. Really, both are more scorers, and I think that that is what Geoff likes to look for, and is good at finding--and that includes the PG spot.

What were you talking about here that Petrie likes to look for?

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What were you talking about here that Petrie likes to look for?

Guys that are good scorers, particularly on the perimeter. All of our perimeter guys are good scorers.

Yeah, getting this "point-forward" will give us more versatility but it is more ideal to get a pass first PG.

mitchweber wrote:I think calling Cisco and Salmons "point forwards" is a bit of a stretch. Both can certainly handle the ball well enough to bring it up the court pretty much every time if need be, and can play PG in a pinch, but neither really can run things like DC could IMO. Really, both are more scorers, and I think that that is what Geoff likes to look for, and is good at finding--and that includes the PG spot.

I totally think Cisco CAN become that DC-like player though, I mean it's been 3 years and we had Doug after 8 or so years. Doug improved quite abit from the time he was a rookie to the time we got him, and I thin Cisco is showing that he will too.

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I totally think Cisco CAN become that DC-like player though, I mean it's been 3 years and we had Doug after 8 or so years. Doug improved quite abit from the time he was a rookie to the time we got him, and I thin Cisco is showing that he will too.

Maybe, but given that Cisco is probably only like 3 years from his prime (at most), and is still putting up more turnovers than assists, I'm not all that convinced.

i dont think the main focus should be having a "point-forward" or a pass first point guard.

I would rather have someone who who makes smart decisions with the ball.

Cisco has all the skills to do it, but he can be a complete knucklehead with the ball.

Guys like Scottie Pippen and Grant Hill have high Bball IQ's, thats what we need in a Point or a "point-forward"

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Maybe, but given that Cisco is probably only like 3 years from his prime (at most), and is still putting up more turnovers than assists, I'm not all that convinced.

Wont he be like 30 in 3 years. Age wise he should be entering in it now.

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Wont he be like 30 in 3 years. Age wise he should be entering in it now.

he's 26 isn't he?

He turns 27 on new year's eve. I would consider ages like 27-31 or 32 a typical prime.

Frankly, I rather have a team with Versatile unselfish players, and great passers..., Although I would not mind a true pass-first point guard.

With Brad Miller getting younger I think waiting for Cisco and others to develop is a great gameplan.

IMO I think Petrie is just going best player available because if you ask me we're going to be a part of a big deal in the next year or so. Just what I'm thinking.

ICMTM wrote:With Brad Miller getting younger I think waiting for Cisco and others to develop is a great gameplan.

IMO I think Petrie is just going best player available because if you ask me we're going to be a part of a big deal in the next year or so. Just what I'm thinking.

That's something I alluded to in my 'ball and chain' thread. Next year offseason we're going to have almost 30 million dollars in expiring contracts. If we hedge our bets and take the BPA, we'll also have other young assets that can be used to package with those expirings to nab a 'Pau Gasol' like talent. Kwame Brown, a 1st and crittenten? Are you KIDDING ME! We could totally outdo that proposal to get us another big guy to play with Kevin/Hawes

Yeah, I think Cisco is pretty close to his ceiling. Probably better decision making and maybe improving a little more off the dribble is going to be things Cisco can improve upon, but for the most part I think last season's Cisco is close to his prime which is still pretty good.

ICMTM wrote:With Brad Miller getting younger I think waiting for Cisco and others to develop is a great gameplan.

IMO I think Petrie is just going best player available because if you ask me we're going to be a part of a big deal in the next year or so. Just what I'm thinking.

I think it could be as soon as this offseason dude. With teams like Dallas, Washington, Toronto, Houston, all looking like they'll get swept some superstar is going to be up for trade IMO. I think we'll get someone with some combo of Spencer/our pick/other players(I'm hoping for someone like Dirk if Dallas gets swept).

Another nice thing, in the same vein that BMiller52 is talking about, I think this offseason there is going to be a pretty good market to trade Artest if he excercises his option, or sign and trade him, for someone that fits more into the mold of what Geoff wants.

wiltchamberlain wrote:Another nice thing, in the same vein that BMiller52 is talking about, I think this offseason there is going to be a pretty good market to trade Artest if he excercises his option, or sign and trade him, for someone that fits more into the mold of what Geoff wants.

No I think you keep Artest and KMart and look for a big or a PG to trade for and put around them. I'm not interested in waiting 5 years to be good again. If you can get a Dirk or Gil or someone that's a good PF and blocks shots etc. I think you trade for them. Like if we could deal Hawes+#12+filler for Dirk I think you do it just because stars win in this league. I will go with Martin/Artest/Dirk or whoever anyday over waiting 5 years for Spencer and this year's pick and random young players to contribute.

Forgive me, but I don't think Hawes, pick 12, and filler(by this I can only imagine you mean Kenny) are going to be enough to get a star of the caliber of Dirk.