I've been under the impression that we're just waiting for a team to shop a big name player and come in with a deal to get us back into the playoffs. A couple of teams that have made moves that didn't work:
Dallas
Denver
Phoenix
A team that might look to blow it up:
Detroit (If they don't win it all)
I'd love to get Chauncey, but the main purpose of this thread is to figure out who will be available, and if a team is going in a different direction who do you deal with.
Teams That may Look to Break Their Teams Up
Teams That may Look to Break Their Teams Up
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Teams That may Look to Break Their Teams Up
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Denver may very well look to blow things up.
Dallas - I don't think so. I think they've got to try to have some patience, and at least let Avery try to implement a system that isn't a God awful fit for Kidd.
Phoenix - ehh, same story as Dallas. As of right now, that move was just too bold to give up after a half a season.
Houston - Doubt they blow anything up. They are looking very good for being without Yao.
Everybody else in the west--highly doubtful.
East
Atlanta--nope. They're still building and waiting for their younger guys to improve.
Philly - I think they'll probably look to add more, but that won't involve moving anybody big.
Toronto - May be no break their team up, but they clearly have too much talent concentrated at PG and would probably be best served to trade one of their PGs for another high level talent.
Washington - After a good year, I think they'll keep trying to go with this core, and see if they can try to mix in a healthy Arenas effectively.
Cleveland - Doubt it.
Orlando - Nope. They may look to add another big, or a perimeter player, but not at the cost of any of their main pieces.
Detroit - Yeah, maybe if they don't win it all. At the same time they have some nice young players that are making more and more of a difference every year, and should continue to really help their depth.
Boston - God no.
Dallas - I don't think so. I think they've got to try to have some patience, and at least let Avery try to implement a system that isn't a God awful fit for Kidd.
Phoenix - ehh, same story as Dallas. As of right now, that move was just too bold to give up after a half a season.
Houston - Doubt they blow anything up. They are looking very good for being without Yao.
Everybody else in the west--highly doubtful.
East
Atlanta--nope. They're still building and waiting for their younger guys to improve.
Philly - I think they'll probably look to add more, but that won't involve moving anybody big.
Toronto - May be no break their team up, but they clearly have too much talent concentrated at PG and would probably be best served to trade one of their PGs for another high level talent.
Washington - After a good year, I think they'll keep trying to go with this core, and see if they can try to mix in a healthy Arenas effectively.
Cleveland - Doubt it.
Orlando - Nope. They may look to add another big, or a perimeter player, but not at the cost of any of their main pieces.
Detroit - Yeah, maybe if they don't win it all. At the same time they have some nice young players that are making more and more of a difference every year, and should continue to really help their depth.
Boston - God no.
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IMO dallas is the most likely. These playoffs have shown me that the Jason Kidd we all know is gone. The future they had in howard, harris, and Bass was very bright. Now with the whole howard smoking thing and Kidd not being up to their expectations, I wouldn't be surprised to see them shopping dirk or howard.
Phoenix just got a bad draw in having to see san antonio in the first round. They will probably have 2-3 more competitive years until shaq and nash retire then look to build around amare.
I think it's obvious that Denver needs to do something but most likely won't do more then a coaching change. IMO they have the most talent (at least offensively) in the league but really have no half court offense beside giving iverson and anthony the ball to go one on one. I can see nene, JR smith, or even camby getting traded.
I think that Detroit is still the second best team in the east but needs another scoring big man.
I think our best bet at getting legit talent is through the clippers with either brand or maggette or golden state.
Phoenix just got a bad draw in having to see san antonio in the first round. They will probably have 2-3 more competitive years until shaq and nash retire then look to build around amare.
I think it's obvious that Denver needs to do something but most likely won't do more then a coaching change. IMO they have the most talent (at least offensively) in the league but really have no half court offense beside giving iverson and anthony the ball to go one on one. I can see nene, JR smith, or even camby getting traded.
I think that Detroit is still the second best team in the east but needs another scoring big man.
I think our best bet at getting legit talent is through the clippers with either brand or maggette or golden state.
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I don't see Dallas 'blowing it up' in fact I see them wanting to add a piece, like an Artest.
I definitely see Denver blowing things up.
Phoenix could go 50/50 depends on their confidence in Nash for another season or two.
I don't think iverson/Camby are all that attractive to the Kings at this point anymore. So unless we want to deal Ron for Pot -Smoker I don't see a deal happening with these teams unless the Suns offer their TPE/#15 for Ron.
I definitely see Denver blowing things up.
Phoenix could go 50/50 depends on their confidence in Nash for another season or two.
I don't think iverson/Camby are all that attractive to the Kings at this point anymore. So unless we want to deal Ron for Pot -Smoker I don't see a deal happening with these teams unless the Suns offer their TPE/#15 for Ron.
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You left one out..... Sacramento! hehe.
Realistically I see more opportunities for us to rebuild than snag a superstar but one guy I would look out for is Elton Brand. Maggette? Why even consider him? NO reason to IMO. If we are bringing a big name in or going after a team looking to blow it up then I would much rather trade our youth/picks than make a dent in the veteren core we already have and the Clipps might go along with that idea.
I doubt any of the playoff teams in the West "blow it up". Denver is too new. They are also way too old, with waaay to many huge contracts. They'll look to add. (they better go after Ron this summer or they are plain stupid, Melo/Ron would make Kobe crap his pants. No way can he defend either guy).
Maybe Washington in the east. They might be willing to sign and trade Jamison for something of value if he asks for too much money. But is that someone we need?
Detroit? They don't really have any individual player that could come onto any team and make them rise up the ranks in their conference. So, bleh...
Toronto? They would look to add. That Ron for Ford trade might not be too unrealistic. They don't need two starting quality true PG's anyway.
Realistically I see more opportunities for us to rebuild than snag a superstar but one guy I would look out for is Elton Brand. Maggette? Why even consider him? NO reason to IMO. If we are bringing a big name in or going after a team looking to blow it up then I would much rather trade our youth/picks than make a dent in the veteren core we already have and the Clipps might go along with that idea.
I doubt any of the playoff teams in the West "blow it up". Denver is too new. They are also way too old, with waaay to many huge contracts. They'll look to add. (they better go after Ron this summer or they are plain stupid, Melo/Ron would make Kobe crap his pants. No way can he defend either guy).
Maybe Washington in the east. They might be willing to sign and trade Jamison for something of value if he asks for too much money. But is that someone we need?
Detroit? They don't really have any individual player that could come onto any team and make them rise up the ranks in their conference. So, bleh...
Toronto? They would look to add. That Ron for Ford trade might not be too unrealistic. They don't need two starting quality true PG's anyway.
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I would seriously doubt that we will be able to get any real big name player in trade or free agency before the season starts !
k9 = nobody wants him we only can dump him in an artest deal if were luck possibly with brad miller (outside chance !)
reef - injury prone nobody will likely want him we might get lucky in dumping him before the trade deadline if a playoff contender needs him unless again we dump him with either artest or b.miller !
moore = has value currrently but i doubt we can get a great package for him i dont think were looking to move him right now !
artest ,miller are our best trading assets right now if we decide to trade either ?
douby and salmons are possibilities to deal though i doubt we trade either to trade those guys you would have to get either draft picks for them if we decided to do so (again i doubt !) or we basically would be trying to get a very solid power forward or center i believe to compliment hawes as an inside presense for our team !
petrie basically gave away bibby for nothing i do realize it was a decision based on resigning beno and that k.martin will get his salary upgraded to about 10 million and we would have taken a huge cap hit but that said once we sign beno for 4-6 million starting we wont have any real money to spend on free agency and in the same context we dont have much in terms of trading pieces for a big name player !
we do however have pieces if we deal artest or miller for sure !
the last scenerio is if we get the 12th pick or so we could possibly deal it with k9 for an expiring contract and a later pick i personally would not do it but it is a possibility !
k9 = nobody wants him we only can dump him in an artest deal if were luck possibly with brad miller (outside chance !)
reef - injury prone nobody will likely want him we might get lucky in dumping him before the trade deadline if a playoff contender needs him unless again we dump him with either artest or b.miller !
moore = has value currrently but i doubt we can get a great package for him i dont think were looking to move him right now !
artest ,miller are our best trading assets right now if we decide to trade either ?
douby and salmons are possibilities to deal though i doubt we trade either to trade those guys you would have to get either draft picks for them if we decided to do so (again i doubt !) or we basically would be trying to get a very solid power forward or center i believe to compliment hawes as an inside presense for our team !
petrie basically gave away bibby for nothing i do realize it was a decision based on resigning beno and that k.martin will get his salary upgraded to about 10 million and we would have taken a huge cap hit but that said once we sign beno for 4-6 million starting we wont have any real money to spend on free agency and in the same context we dont have much in terms of trading pieces for a big name player !
we do however have pieces if we deal artest or miller for sure !
the last scenerio is if we get the 12th pick or so we could possibly deal it with k9 for an expiring contract and a later pick i personally would not do it but it is a possibility !
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Howard hasn't been able to adjust his game with Kidd, being an iso-based player, and is just not making his jumpshot like he used to. Which I think is because of not being able to drive as much and is a slasher first. With Kidd controlling the ball, more than Harris or Terry did at PG. Because before, Dallas was really an iso-based team and didn't move the ball as much as other teams, and being a low assist team.
A main aspect of that being they'd iso somebody at the top of the key (Dirk, Terry, Harris, Howard, Stackhouse), and have them go to work there. And a result of that, it being tough to double team there because of the floor spacing.
Also isn't defending and rebounding like he used to.
Specifically in this series, the New Orleans defense is also playing a part. Though I don't think it did last game because he took mostly jumpshots, and were good looks.
I think he'd be back to normal here, with the question of adjusting with Kidd.
I think Toronto would also be after Josh Howard.
I don't know if Dallas wants to trade him away, though. Can't quite say.
A main aspect of that being they'd iso somebody at the top of the key (Dirk, Terry, Harris, Howard, Stackhouse), and have them go to work there. And a result of that, it being tough to double team there because of the floor spacing.
Also isn't defending and rebounding like he used to.
Specifically in this series, the New Orleans defense is also playing a part. Though I don't think it did last game because he took mostly jumpshots, and were good looks.
I think he'd be back to normal here, with the question of adjusting with Kidd.
I think Toronto would also be after Josh Howard.
I don't know if Dallas wants to trade him away, though. Can't quite say.
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ICMTM wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
You don't think Chancey Billups would look good on this team?
As is, just adding Billups and noone else to the current roster, I still don't see the Kings being more than a 6-8 seed. Billups has 2-3 more prime years left(and declining ones IMO) left. I don't think he's in our immediate future.
I mean if we can't get a guy that's no more than 28 years old then I think we HAVE to pass. Spencer is a couple years away at least. I dunno, it's a tough call really. We do need to pick a direction, but I htink it boils down to what the opportunities are that are presented to Petrie. It's probably more likely that we rebuild around Martin/Garcia/Williams(bleh)/Hawes IMO than it is that we add a vet. Although a vet in his mid-late 20's would be very nice.
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Smills91 wrote:As is, just adding Billups and noone else to the current roster, I still don't see the Kings being more than a 6-8 seed. Billups has 2-3 more prime years left(and declining ones IMO) left. I don't think he's in our immediate future.
I mean if we can't get a guy that's no more than 28 years old then I think we HAVE to pass. Spencer is a couple years away at least. I dunno, it's a tough call really. We do need to pick a direction, but I htink it boils down to what the opportunities are that are presented to Petrie. It's probably more likely that we rebuild around Martin/Garcia/Williams(bleh)/Hawes IMO than it is that we add a vet. Although a vet in his mid-late 20's would be very nice.
WOW!!!! I finally agree with smills about something regarding the King's future lol.
A player like Billups/AI/Kidd/Brand/etc will only help us if we are trying to win now (in which case, Martin/Hawes/Garcia/Udrih/Williams/#12/#42/#44/2010 1st all need to be traded away as well, similiar to the Boston situation.
However, if that happens, we only have 2-3 year time window for winning a ring, something I personally do not like, personally I'd much rather have a 4+ year time window in winning, which is why we need to "rebuild."
Like Smills said, any player over 28 should almost be instantly ignored.
Realistically, Artest/Moore/Miller/Salmonsare are our best trading pieces.
Teams like Dallas, Spurs, Lakers, Denver, Toronto, Detriot, Houston, Utah, Clevland, Washington are all possible we could make a deal with.
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How could anyone not believe that Dallas will be blown up?
Since choking away a championship they have been eliminated in the 1st round the last 2 years.
They have gone as far as they can go.
I think Detroit probably has to be blown up but to what extent is the question. The first thing they will do is get rid of Flip. I don't think Chauncey will be leaving though. I think they may look to replace some big men.
Since choking away a championship they have been eliminated in the 1st round the last 2 years.
They have gone as far as they can go.
I think Detroit probably has to be blown up but to what extent is the question. The first thing they will do is get rid of Flip. I don't think Chauncey will be leaving though. I think they may look to replace some big men.
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VeeJay24 wrote:How could anyone not believe that Dallas will be blown up?
Since choking away a championship they have been eliminated in the 1st round the last 2 years.
They have gone as far as they can go.
I think Detroit probably has to be blown up but to what extent is the question. The first thing they will do is get rid of Flip. I don't think Chauncey will be leaving though. I think they may look to replace some big men.
I still think Dallas can take one more shot by adding a Ron Artest caliber player and THEN if that fails try blowing it up.
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Smills91 wrote:As is, just adding Billups and noone else to the current roster, I still don't see the Kings being more than a 6-8 seed. Billups has 2-3 more prime years left(and declining ones IMO) left. I don't think he's in our immediate future.
I'm not disagreeing with you, and I'm not saying Billups is "the" guy we need. However the 6th seed won 55 games last year, and that's a jump of 17 games on our record. Being that the 1 seed had 57 wins I think "just" adding Billups puts us into contention based on your evaluation.
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ICMTM wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I'm not disagreeing with you, and I'm not saying Billups is "the" guy we need. However the 6th seed won 55 games last year, and that's a jump of 17 games on our record. Being that the 1 seed had 57 wins I think "just" adding Billups puts us into contention based on your evaluation.
I dunno about contention status. I think it puts us with where the Suns, Mavs, Nuggets are 1st round losers. THe west is tough man, but there is light at the end of the tunnel. I think our SHOT begins in 2-3 years after we sign a FA in 2010. Yeah it requires patience, but that's our best bet. We should be battling the likes of the Blazers, Hornets, T-Wolves, Jazz IMO. THe Spurs, Suns, Mavs, Rockets. Lakers are going to fade soon. REALLY soon.
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they'll fade, Kobe will break his leg and hurt his vagina next season.
This topic isn't about what you want to happen, pal.
Kobe still has a couple years of his prime left, Gasol has several years of his, and Bynum (whether we like it or not) looks like he's going to be a stud in this league.