Would you do this?

[Smills91]

Trade ID #4579976

Kings deal:
Kevin Martin
Mikki Moore
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Kenny Thomas

Clippers deal:
Elton Brand
Cuttino Mobley
Brevin Knight

Kings new line-up:
C: Brad Miller, Spencer Hawes
PF: Elton Brand, Shelden Williams
SF: Ron Artest, Francisco Garcia
SG: John Salmons, Quincy Douby, Cuttino Mobley
PG: Beno Udrih(re-signed), Brevin Knight

Take the BPA @:
#12, #42, #45 fill out the roster

Would that roster contend next year? Is it worth parting with Martin for? Thoughts?

[_SRV_]

Is it expiring Brand or re-signed Brand? it makes a lot of difference, I'd do it if Brand is re-signed.

[KingInExile]

Meh, I like Brand...but this deal seems like a hell of a lot to give up for a guy that missed almost of last year with a major injury and has not really shown how well he can come back.

[OGSactownballer]

No chance smills. I do not understand people's desire to see Brand here. we are already undersized on the defensive end at PF, and Brand is not a very good defender and is 6'8". you have to throw out the points/rebounds numbers that he generates (if he is healthy - a big ????), because undersized guys almost ALWAYS give up the same or more to the guy they are matching up with.

[Bac2Basics]

I like Brand as much as anyone, but the fact that he's coming off an injury and didn't get a chance to play enough to make clear that he's 100% following the injury.

Also, I don't like the idea of trading young for old (Martin for Brand). I realize that Brand's not that old, but he's not that young anymore either.

The trade I'd offer for Brand is


Elton Brand for Ron Artest, Shelden Williams, Mikki Moore & Conditional Future 1st (Conditional on resigning)

[KM44]

no way in hell im trading martin for brand. overall theres a lot going on but that's what this trade is based around. Martin has the opportunity to be one of the best scorers in this league, and brand is good, but he is coming off injury and he's aging AND he costs a hell of a lot of money. If we did end up trading for brand, it would be miller or artest, not martin.

[pillwenney]

No chance smills. I do not understand people's desire to see Brand here. we are already undersized on the defensive end at PF, and Brand is not a very good defender and is 6'8". you have to throw out the points/rebounds numbers that he generates (if he is healthy - a big ????), because undersized guys almost ALWAYS give up the same or more to the guy they are matching up with.

Yes, yes he is. You don't defend with your head, and Brand is strong but with very long arms.

Personally, I would be on edge about it, but I might do it. At some point we have to take a risk. And frankly, Brand didn't look like a franchise player at the very end of the season, but I wouldn't have expected him to. The important thing is that he looked like he was well on his way back to that point.

[sackings916]

I;d have to think about it but I think if it came down to it I wouldn't do it. Brand/Artest/Miller/Salmons/Beno is a good starting lineup, but our bench isn't good, and that starting lineup isn't good enough to compensate that weak bench IMO.

I think the elite teams in the west are still better than us after this trade. I say wait a year or 2 for the elite teams to age and for us to clear cap room, add a big FA, let our younger players develop and get better, and let Petrie work his magic with a big trade or 2 and then contend.

[rpa]

I wouldn't. Brand's 29 years old already and that trade doesn't make the Kings contenders. And I'm assuming that Brand comes back at the same level as he was playing at before the injury.

[dozencousins]

I simply would offer martin heads up for brand so i say no way martins value of what he gives to the kings now is far more valueable than trading for brand !

Brand would be a nice addition but not with the names martin or hawes included anyone else in a deal to get brand then i would listen to it if i were petrie !

Finally the offer bac2basics offers as a deal to get brand for artest,s.williams,m.moore and a conditional 1st round pick is crazy !

There is no way i would do that maybe artest & 1 of the 2 guys mentioned even with a 2nd round pick possibly but not the 1st round pick for sure and i would not give both moore and williams if thats how it went down i would look through the draft at a power forward,another trade for a power forward with a much smaller contract than what brands is or would be !

We cannot allow ourselves to turn into the knicks bloat up our team salaries and make bad trades & signings and put our future in a stranglehold by locking up old washed up bench warmers making way more than what they deserve while being injured !

we already have that in k9 & reef we do not need to sign or trade for brand right now for a long term contract and end up being stuck with an overbloated contract that is next to impossible to move if you need examples of this see the following

reef
k9
j.o'neal
v.carter
marbury
& this is just to name a few there is at least 15 more nba contracts that are preventing nba teams from making runs at the true stars of the nba today to be able to make there teams true nba contenders !

[SacKingZZZ]

I would think about it for sure. If all we gave up was Martin, filler, and like our pick then maybe. Artest/Brand/Miller reunited after all this time could be a force.

Rather go young but it's better than sitting with a team that clearly doesn't work chemistry wise.

[RoyalCourtJestr]

Meh, I like Brand...but this deal seems like a hell of a lot to give up for a guy that missed almost of last year with a major injury and has not really shown how well he can come back.

QFT.

I love Brand. But who knows. COuld be a steal, could be a super steal for the Clippers.

[KF10]

I will think long and hard about this deal. i.e. the pro's and con's, team style (Overall balance) and etc...Does this trade truly push us over the top? Knowing Petrie, he would make this team better with Brand...

I think, ultimately, I would accept this deal. And I am a BIG Martin fan...

[longfellow44]

I'm on record saying Brand is overrated and is only a second banna type player. So i'm going to go with the younger second banna type player and say We keep Martin.

[Bac2Basics]

I simply would offer martin heads up for brand so i say no way martins value of what he gives to the kings now is far more valueable than trading for brand !
Brand would be a nice addition but not with the names martin or hawes included anyone else in a deal to get brand then i would listen to it if i were petrie !
Finally the offer bac2basics offers as a deal to get brand for artest,s.williams,m.moore and a conditional 1st round pick is crazy !
There is no way i would do that maybe artest & 1 of the 2 guys mentioned even with a 2nd round pick possibly but not the 1st round pick for sure and i would not give both moore and williams if thats how it went down i would look through the draft at a power forward,another trade for a power forward with a much smaller contract than what brands is or would be !
We cannot allow ourselves to turn into the knicks bloat up our team salaries and make bad trades & signings and put our future in a stranglehold by locking up old washed up bench warmers making way more than what they deserve while being injured !
we already have that in k9 & reef we do not need to sign or trade for brand right now for a long term contract and end up being stuck with an overbloated contract that is next to impossible to move if you need examples of this see the following
reef
k9
j.o'neal
v.carter
marbury
& this is just to name a few there is at least 15 more nba contracts that are preventing nba teams from making runs at the true stars of the nba today to be able to make there teams true nba contenders !

Maybe I should clarify.

This is roughly the package that I think the Kings should offer if they were to go after Brand, whether or not the Clippers accept is another matter.

From this point, Kevin Martin's value should outweigh Brand's by a significant margin. Martin will likely play longer by probably 5 years or more and Martin probably hasn't even reached his full potential yet, whereas Brand almost certainly has.

I would love to have Brand, but I'm not willing to overpay for him, and firmly believe that almost any package containing Kevin Martin would be overpaying considering the long term.

[dozencousins]

bac2basics i am saying longterm or shorterm the deal you proposed is overpaying by alot !

[Ballings7]

I'd do it.

Touch up the bench a bit, and that's quite a team.

[Bac2Basics]

bac2basics i am saying longterm or shorterm the deal you proposed is overpaying by alot !

OK, for some reason I thought you were saying that it would be too little.

If that's the case, I can certainly see taking out the pick totally.

How else would you alter the deal beyond that if you feel that's still significantly overpaying?

[dozencousins]

Bac2basics to answer your question at this point in their careers i see kevin martin as more valuable than brand as martin is a better overall player with a lesser salary so any deal suggest with martin in it for brand would be crazy to consider !

as for your artest,moore,s.williams and a pick for brand again its overpaying

the 1st thing to realize here is brands salary and not to mention his recent injury wich was serious by the way so to give up artest in a deal with brand is overpaying not to mention the pick

i am not suggesting it but if it was miller,williams & a 2nd

or

moore ,williams with either k9 or reef i would do it but i cant see the clippers taking either reef or k9 though i think they would consider 1 of them if they got artest as stering loves ron !

again to clarify i do not see us getting brand i wanted him 2 & 3 years ago but now he is making to much money and would get to many years on a new contract and would not be worth the financial risk at this point !

if the kings want a power forward they will have to seek 1 through the draft or get a promising young free agent at the same time paying the player a smaller salary !
(the same type of situation we had with beno last season but with the difference we would likely pay the free agent a little more as it would be the beggining of the season !)
if all else fails we would have to get lucky enough to get a solid power forward through trade or wait until next season wich i think is the most likely scenerio unless we draft one !

i think you desire for brand is great i just dont see it as a smart move for us anymore to go after him at this point !

what others need to realize is if and when we get alot of our older guys off the books in 09/10 we will have an enormous ammount of capspace to sign likely 2 bigname free agents that would likely greatly help our team and that would serve us best for our future longterm !
i would welcome getting rid of k9 etc. but not at the expense of our capspace to be in more of a crises later on !

its frustrating but once we finally get through this period and we get rid of the dead wood on our team our future looks very bright !

no need to make a move for the sake of making one we dont want bad descisions we dont want to get to the point that the knicks are in good god help us if that ever happened or if it ever came close to that the way to prevent that is making smart choices & trades and having patience and not making mistakes .

[jfucsd10]

Honestly, I think Brand is some of in the mold of Zebo (not that bad, but in that mold). A good scorer who demands the ball to be effective. Especially considering that hes coming off surgery, we really dont know what we are getting in that situation. Pass on this and build around Kevin for the future. We arent good enough as presently constructed to make a now type move like this.