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Kirk Hinrick
Posted: Sun Jun 8, 2008 5:09 am
by Bac2Basics
With Chicago likely to draft D. Rose, Hinrick is almost sure to be available.
Should the Kings make a play for him, and if so what might a good trade for him look like?
Posted: Sun Jun 8, 2008 5:59 am
by SadKingsFan
a good trade would be if we didnt do it.
Posted: Sun Jun 8, 2008 6:18 am
by Ballings7
I still love Hinrich, but don't think we can get him
Posted: Sun Jun 8, 2008 10:26 pm
by UKF
I would rather have Beno and I'm not the biggest Beno fan. I think we would be better off drafting a PG or getting a better PG through a trade.
Re: Kirk Hinrick
Posted: Sun Jun 8, 2008 10:59 pm
by kfan1
Bac2Basics wrote:With Chicago likely to draft D. Rose, Hinrick is almost sure to be available.
Should the Kings make a play for him, and if so what might a good trade for him look like?
I don't think we can offer anything that the Bulls would particularly want, outside of, say, Spencer Hawes. And to be honest, I would expect that there are other teams out there who need a PG, like the Blazers for instance, who could offer much more.
I think if we decide to trade for a PG then we would need to look at either TJ Ford or maybe Ramon Sessions.
Posted: Mon Jun 9, 2008 1:23 am
by Bac2Basics
Please to be explaining Ramon Sessions. I'm not familiar with him.
Posted: Mon Jun 9, 2008 3:02 am
by kfan1
Bac2Basics wrote:Please to be explaining Ramon Sessions. I'm not familiar with him.
I personally haven't seen him play, so I can't endorse him completely, but while I was looking through some statistics today his numbers really jumped out at me.
He only played in 17 games this year, but in those games he averaged 26 minutes with 7.6 assists, 8 points, 3.4 rebounds, and a fantastic 3.53 A/T ratio. In addition, he seems to have good size for the position at 6-3 and from what I can gather from scouting reports is a solid defender.
He was a late second round pick so he should be pretty cheap, and I think he is intriguing enough to take a chance on him. It would be a low risk/high reward gamble if we decided to trade for him.
Seeing as the only other options available are guys like Heinrich, who we probably don't have the pieces for, or TJ Ford, who is a huge risk given his injury history, contract, and the price of acquiring him, I'd much rather try to swing a deal involving a second rounder or two for Sessions.
Posted: Mon Jun 9, 2008 4:10 am
by SacTown Kings
No way I trade Hawes for Hinrich, I've never really seen what is so great about him. Not really the type of pg I think the Kings should get.
Posted: Mon Jun 9, 2008 1:38 pm
by _SRV_
Martin for Gordon/Hinrich and Thomas was suggested and I think I'd do it.
Posted: Mon Jun 9, 2008 7:18 pm
by UKF
^Gordon and Tyrus Thomas mite be considered..
For Hinrich, definitely No.
Posted: Mon Jun 9, 2008 8:59 pm
by _SRV_
I meant for the 3 of them.
Posted: Mon Jun 9, 2008 9:43 pm
by Smills91
I wouldn't dilute any more talent. We need to CONSOLIDATE talent.
Posted: Mon Jun 9, 2008 9:50 pm
by _SRV_
It's a gamble,and worthy one IMO, Gordon 2 years ago wasn't far from Martin, and Thomas hasn't done much but he has potential.
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:29 am
by bullzman23
I don't think the Bulls and Kings are good trade partners. I would love to get Ron Artest back in Chicago, but there's no logical reason to trade for him and it's hard to see Paxson taking a chance on him.
The Bulls biggest problem is that they have too much depth. They're looking to free up minutes mainly for Sefolosha and Thomas. Last season, a trade for Brad Miller would have made the most sense. With Gooden on board, there isn't really much space for Milller.
I personally would do something along the lines of Hinrich, Hughes, and Gooden for Miller, KT, and Shareef.
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:05 pm
by ICMTM
Although I don't understand your logic (taking on SAR & KT and not wanting Miller) I don't think this is a bad deal over all. We would need a third team. We can't have Larry Hughes here. It's not a talent thing, but with Martin here, and 4 others that play his spot he's redundant.
Re: Kirk Hinrick
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:27 am
by Smills91
I consider Hinrich if we simplified the deal:
Thomas/Douby for Hinrich.
Bulls shed a LOT of future salary and get some more frontcourt help. In wake of draft Derrick Rose this opens up minutes for him at the 1 while saving the Bulls cash. Douby helps fill any void left by Hinrich going and is much cheaper(he's really salary filler to match salaries).
Kings ditch Thomas' deal and they get a PG for the future.
Re: Kirk Hinrick
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:31 pm
by OGSactownballer
No smills - I just don't like Hinrich that much. He's never really done it for me, and I think that the Bulls dive into the tank last season shows that really none of their over-hyped players is really THAT good of a talent. I think that he really comes off as a PG with a shooter's mentality - which is why neither he nor Gordon nor Duhon could come out truly on top in that rotation - the same as Gordon. I think we WOULD be better off with Beno who truly is a playmaker and a good set-up guy before I'd lock us to Hinrich's salary.
Re: Kirk Hinrick
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:59 pm
by Sacramento_King
OGSactownballer wrote:No smills - I just don't like Hinrich that much. He's never really done it for me, and I think that the Bulls dive into the tank last season shows that really none of their over-hyped players is really THAT good of a talent. I think that he really comes off as a PG with a shooter's mentality - which is why neither he nor Gordon nor Duhon could come out truly on top in that rotation - the same as Gordon. I think we WOULD be better off with Beno who truly is a playmaker and a good set-up guy before I'd lock us to Hinrich's salary.
You guys are right. Why get Hinrich when we can keep KT who is developing into such a huge asset and an undersized Travis Mays type player who we want to be a point. We give up way to much talent in this deal. Kirk has a reasonable contract and had a bad year just like everybody else on the Bulls. Why try and get a player on the cheap at a position of need when we can keep proposing Artest for Horford deals. The Bulls would laugh at Petrie if he offered this deal. My goodness the homerism of some people.
Re: Kirk Hinrick
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:02 am
by AriesMar27
if the kings cant trade for tj ford then hinrich wouldnt be that bad of a 2nd option... not the best but he is still better than beno who is a shoot first pg as well... when was the last time the kings had a pg that was pass first? jwill?
only problem is that the bulls have way too much depth on the perimeter to be good trade partners with the kings if they draft rose... they would need a 3rd team.... you cant trade salmons or artest because they have deng, hughes and gordon... they have no need thomas, reef or moore with tythomas, noah and gooden on the team.. though gooden would be an expiring contract this coming season.
looking at their roster they would be better off drafting beasley and trading thomas or noah... if the bulls would be willing to draft beasley then trade thomas for hawes that would be a different story...
then their only problem would be sg... do they start hughes or gordon?
Re: Kirk Hinrick
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:24 am
by pillwenney
OGSactownballer wrote:No smills - I just don't like Hinrich that much. He's never really done it for me, and I think that the Bulls dive into the tank last season shows that really none of their over-hyped players is really THAT good of a talent. I think that he really comes off as a PG with a shooter's mentality - which is why neither he nor Gordon nor Duhon could come out truly on top in that rotation - the same as Gordon. I think we WOULD be better off with Beno who truly is a playmaker and a good set-up guy before I'd lock us to Hinrich's salary.
No he's not.