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On the Dallas sports radio station the host was talking about possible trades. He mentioned this one.

Dallas takes on Kenny Thomas' awful contract and get Artest but gives up Josh Howard and Jerry Stackhouse. Any thoughts?

i like this trade but what does stacks contract look like??

Stack is an expiring I believe,

But, Howard does absolutely nothing for the Kings, I like the deal, only would like a 3rd team to be involved, LAC, NO, Hous, Port, come to mind

Two more years, the second partially guaranteed.

If we do this trade, I'd like to keep Howard. If there's a need of a third team, it's for take Stackhouse, but of course it's unlikely.

It's not a bad trade.

SACRAMENTO
Miller/Haves/Williams
Moore/Thompson/SAR
Howard/Garcia/Ewing
Martin/Salmons/Stackhouse
Udrih/Singletary/Douby

DALLAS
Dampier/Diop
Nowitzki/Bass/Thomas
Artest/Green
Terry/Jones
Kidd/Barea

Artest > Josh Howard
Both are about the same age.. If Kings want to keep Josh Howard, wouldn't it just make more sense to just extend Artest since he's the better player, and you can probably resign him for the same amount of money we would be paying Howard

And Stackhouse for Thomas is pretty irrelevant, since Stackhouse probably dont get as much PT since we are stacked at the wing position and we want to give more PT to the youngsters.. and if we are aiming for the 2010 offseason, then Thomas' salary isnt "awful"

Already went over why this isn't a fitting trade for the Kings last month...

Ya, I introduced this after Howard's weed scandal, and it was pretty much a unanimous no. Bring in Charlotte and get wallace to sac.

I don't know. I think on value alone Petrie would do this without thinking twice. This is GREAT value for Artest, and Martin/Howard could be the SG/SF combo moving forward. That and Howard has a pretty decent contract. I would rather go completely young but as with a Lamar Odom deal, the value is top notch for Artest.

EDIT: I just checked and he has a team option for 2010! That could be some great leverage in possibly using him as sign and trade material then.

Howard isn't the solution here any more than Ron is. Like others said, we could just re-sign Ron if we were to do this. But we won't because we don't need a contract like Howard's taking up cap space in '10. The Thomas for Stack swap is nice, but ultimately pretty inconsequential for us.

mitchweber wrote:Howard isn't the solution here any more than Ron is. Like others said, we could just re-sign Ron if we were to do this. But we won't because we don't need a contract like Howard's taking up cap space in '10. The Thomas for Stack swap is nice, but ultimately pretty inconsequential for us.

Team option in 2010 according to hoopshype.com. The fact remains the Artest in Sac scenario is stale with all signs lead to nowhere. Howard would at least have that "new car" smell for the next two years and help with our rebounding a little bit plus by the time things get old (if they do) we can use him as sign and trade bait in a much better offseason than using Artest next year.

Again, pointless

Artest is a much better player than Howard, only reason Howard has more value than Artest is Artest's off court issues (which doesn't appear to be a problem in Sac).

If we aren't keeping Artest, than someone like Howard makes zero sense.

If Stackhouse has two years left, than there is no difference in a Stack for K. Thomas swap, since both players will be seeing very limited if any time at all.

Yeah, we shouldn't trade for Howard for obvious reasons. Besides I don't really like him. He almost started a fight in last year's preseason. He ran about 60 feet just to SHOVE Miller. From that, I never like the guy.

SacKingZZZ wrote:

mitchweber wrote:Howard isn't the solution here any more than Ron is. Like others said, we could just re-sign Ron if we were to do this. But we won't because we don't need a contract like Howard's taking up cap space in '10. The Thomas for Stack swap is nice, but ultimately pretty inconsequential for us.

Team option in 2010 according to hoopshype.com. The fact remains the Artest in Sac scenario is stale with all signs lead to nowhere. Howard would at least have that "new car" smell for the next two years and help with our rebounding a little bit plus by the time things get old (if they do) we can use him as sign and trade bait in a much better offseason than using Artest next year.

But even still, if we use him in a S&T, we'll still be using up our cap space, and probably not wisely, considering that teams rarely get decent value in S&Ts.

The fact remains that it would be very hard to find a scenario where Howard could get us something valuable enough to forget about our cap space or young and valuable enough to where it's not even an issue.

And Ron is a better player, flat out. The only reason things are "stale" now is because it's clear that the team will be heading in a different direction. But the whole reason that we're heading in a different direction is simply forgotten about in this deal. It's not worth it.

mitchweber wrote:

SacKingZZZ wrote:

mitchweber wrote:Howard isn't the solution here any more than Ron is. Like others said, we could just re-sign Ron if we were to do this. But we won't because we don't need a contract like Howard's taking up cap space in '10. The Thomas for Stack swap is nice, but ultimately pretty inconsequential for us.

Team option in 2010 according to hoopshype.com. The fact remains the Artest in Sac scenario is stale with all signs lead to nowhere. Howard would at least have that "new car" smell for the next two years and help with our rebounding a little bit plus by the time things get old (if they do) we can use him as sign and trade bait in a much better offseason than using Artest next year.

But even still, if we use him in a S&T, we'll still be using up our cap space, and probably not wisely, considering that teams rarely get decent value in S&Ts.

The fact remains that it would be very hard to find a scenario where Howard could get us something valuable enough to forget about our cap space or young and valuable enough to where it's not even an issue.

And Ron is a better player, flat out. The only reason things are "stale" now is because it's clear that the team will be heading in a different direction. But the whole reason that we're heading in a different direction is simply forgotten about in this deal. It's not worth it.

Presumably on a player we'd be targeting. I think that Howard and Artest (who isn't all that much better than Howard overall to be honest, they are just different types of players) have roughly similar value, difference being Howards contract status could actually help us. Re-sign Artest long term and we better be damn sure we intend to keep him LONG TERM because he will most likely be immovable at that point.

SacKingZZZ wrote:
Presumably on a player we'd be targeting. I think that Howard and Artest (who isn't all that much better than Howard overall to be honest, they are just different types of players) have roughly similar value, difference being Howards contract status could actually help us. Re-sign Artest long term and we better be damn sure we intend to keep him LONG TERM because he will most likely be immovable at that point.

But how could his contract help us? We couldn't S&T him for a player we'd be targeting. That just wouldn't happen.

Some factors here...

Howard continues the iffy minutes situation on the wings, and longer than with Ron becuase of his contract... one of Howard/Salmons/Garcia will have to go (like with Ron here now, and Ron is likely gone)

Howard is the same age as Artest (but less years in the league), 5 months apart

In general this is good value for Ron, but not quite a fit for this team

See, these are things media speculators and casual-talkers, typically don't realize. This possibility mention, was nothing more than to get people buzzing and keep an interest.

*yawns all over the floor*

I like getting Julian Wright the best (then it'll be Salmons or Garcia who probably has to go), questionable if New Orleans does it, though. Wright needs to improve on his shot, but everything else he can bring is terrific, and would be an ideal fit with Kevin and the rest of the team.

mitchweber wrote:

SacKingZZZ wrote:
Presumably on a player we'd be targeting. I think that Howard and Artest (who isn't all that much better than Howard overall to be honest, they are just different types of players) have roughly similar value, difference being Howards contract status could actually help us. Re-sign Artest long term and we better be damn sure we intend to keep him LONG TERM because he will most likely be immovable at that point.

But how could his contract help us? We couldn't S&T him for a player we'd be targeting. That just wouldn't happen.

We could always target a player that is already under contract with someone else or maybe get some draft considerations. Our cap space could make up the difference in any trade and we could potentially take on a player with a larger deal while giving the other team some talent along with some cap freedom.

Ballings7 wrote:Some factors here...

Howard continues the iffy minutes situation on the wings, and longer than with Ron becuase of his contract... one of Howard/Salmons/Garcia will have to go (like with Ron here now, and Ron is likely gone)

Howard is the same age as Artest (but less years in the league), 5 months apart

In general this is good value for Ron, but not quite a fit for this team

See, these are things media speculators and casual-talkers, typically don't realize. This possibility mention, was nothing more than to get people buzzing and keep an interest.

*yawns all over the floor*

I like getting Julian Wright the best (then it'll be Salmons or Garcia who probably has to go), questionable if New Orleans does it, though. Wright needs to improve on his shot, but everything else he can bring is terrific, and would be an ideal fit with Kevin and the rest of the team.

Sure I'd much rather get a young player and call it a day but if Petrie is holding out for value Howard would be pretty high on the value scale.

I'd be fine getting Howard back in return. But Artest is EASILY great than Howard, so I like the inclusion of KT for an expiring Stackhouse.

I'm okay with getting Howard in return.

I'm not okay with keeping Howard long term (over 1 year)